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ZELENSKYY WARNS RUSSIA HAS PENETRATED US POLITICS, INVITES TRUMP TO UKRAINE

In an exclusive interview, the president of Ukraine talks about his outreach to
Trump, stalled Ukraine aid and Russia’s growing influence in the U.S.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy said he expects that a new tranche of American aid will
ultimately arrive for his country. | Giorgos Moutafis for POLITICO

By Paul Ronzheimer and Alexander Burns

04/09/2024 04:00 PM EDT

Updated: 04/10/2024 08:05 AM EDT

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Paul Ronzheimer is the deputy editor-in-chief of BILD and a senior journalist
reporting for Axel Springer, the parent company of POLITICO.

Alexander Burns is head of news at POLITICO.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine warned in an interview that Russian
influence had pierced the American political system and rejected the idea,
backed by allies of Donald Trump, that Ukraine could swiftly end the war just by
making massive territorial concessions.

But Zelenskyy said Tuesday that he had privately urged Trump through
intermediaries to travel to Ukraine and that Trump had expressed interest but
had not yet committed to making a trip. Zelenskyy said he was open to hearing
Trump’s proposals for the war, while making clear he was highly skeptical.

“If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind
it, then it’s a very primitive idea,” Zelenskyy said in an interview with Axel
Springer media outlets. POLITICO is owned by Axel Springer.

Zelenskyy continued: “I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic
idea, I need a real idea, because people’s lives are at stake.”

Any deal that merely gave up land to Russian President Vladimir Putin in
exchange for an end to hostilities, Zelenskyy said, would just open the way for
more Russian wars of conquest in the future. A negotiated peace, he said, had to
leave the Russian despot “no room to carry out his plans.”

In the interview, Zelenskyy swerved at times between expressing impatience with
Western allies that have not delivered military aid readily enough — he faulted
Germany most explicitly — and admitting that Ukraine is under considerable
pressure to show new progress in the war. The interview was conducted in a
combination of English and Ukrainian, partially using translators.

Trump has been a consistent skeptic of the war effort and a critic of Zelenskyy,
and he recently said he would encourage Russia to act with impunity against
members of the NATO alliance who do not spend large sums of money on defense.
President Joe Biden has attacked Trump in the campaign as a threat to world
stability and a stooge of Putin and other foreign dictators.

Trump previously declined a public invitation from Zelenskyy to visit Ukraine,
saying in a statement that he had “great respect” for the Ukrainian leader but
did not want to create a “conflict of interest” while Biden was in charge of
American policy.

Russia, Volodymyr Zelenskyy said, had succeeded in warping “the information
field of the world.” Without naming names, he claimed that American citizens
were effectively doing Russia’s work within the U.S. media. | Giorgos Moutafis
for POLITICO

Zelenskyy’s textured approach to Trump represents the latest effort by a major
world leader to calibrate his handling of the former American president who is
now the Republican Party’s presumptive nominee for the 2024 election. While
disagreeing with Trump emphatically on war policy, Zelenskyy spoke respectfully
about Trump as a leader with whom he is eager to build a constructive
partnership.

Those comments came a day after David Cameron, the British foreign secretary and
former U.K. prime minister, met with Trump at his Florida estate, in part to
plead the case for supporting Ukraine despite having denounced Trump in the past
as a bigot.

The fate of Ukraine may well hang in the balance in the U.S. election. And as a
massive aid package languishes in the Republican-controlled U.S. House of
Representatives, Zelenskyy predicted that Putin would demolish Ukrainian cities
and butcher hundreds of thousands of people if the Russian military were to
prevail in the war.

In recent weeks, two Republican lawmakers who support aiding Ukraine — Reps.
Mike Turner of Ohio and Mike McCaul of Texas — have declared that pro-Russian
propaganda has filtered into the thinking of some members of Congress.

Asked about that claim, Zelenskyy said it understated the problem of Russian
influence in democracies like the United States.

“They have their lobbies everywhere: in the United States, in the EU countries,
in Britain, in Latin America, in Africa,” Zelenskyy said of Russia. “When we
talk about the Congress — do you notice how they work with society in the United
States?”

Russia, he said, had succeeded in warping “the information field of the world.”
Without naming names, Zelenskyy claimed that American citizens were effectively
doing Russia’s work within the U.S. media.

“They pump their narratives through the media,” Zelenskyy said. “These are not
Russian citizens or natives of Russia, no. They are representatives of certain
media groups, citizens of the United States. They are the ones in the media with
the appropriate messages, sometimes very pro-Russian.”

Still, Zelenskyy said he expects that a new tranche of American aid will
ultimately arrive for his country. Asked if he was optimistic about that
prospect, the Ukrainian president replied: “Yes, of course. I have to be.”

In the interview, Zelenskyy acknowledged that Ukraine’s attempted
counteroffensive against Russia last year was “not so successful,” and vowed
that the next attempt to strike back against Russia would show more progress.
Without elaborating, Zelenskyy implied that Ukraine had been sabotaged from
within in its last offensive, noting that “the Russians knew where we were going
to attack” and promising “history will tell” how they knew.

The next Ukrainian counteroffensive, Zelenskyy said, “must give us some
results.”

But it would be a grave mistake, Zelenskyy insisted, for Ukraine’s allies to
back away from their commitment to the war effort.

NATO chief: Allies not providing Ukraine with enough ammunition

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The Ukrainian leader expressed concern that irrational thinking and delusional
fantasies of peacemaking might lead other Western allies into making damaging
political and diplomatic mistakes. Zelenskyy repeatedly took aim at German
politicians, including voices within Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s Social Democratic
Party, for withholding TAURUS missiles from Ukraine and dreaming of a “frozen”
war that would bring an end to hostilities without clipping Russia’s warmaking
capacity for the future.

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