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UKRAINE IS TEARING THE CZECH REPUBLIC APART
PROTESTS ON EITHER SIDE ARE BECOMING INCREASINGLY HEATED
by William Nattrass
A pro-Ukraine protest at Wenceslas Square in Prague. Credit: Getty
Prague
Eastern European governments are among the world’s firmest in support of
Ukraine, but Putin’s war is also ushering in a new era of popular division over
culture and identity in the region.
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This weekend’s events in Prague showed that there’s more than meets the eye to
the Czech Republic’s portrayal as a bastion of pro-Ukraine solidarity. On
Friday, the latest in a series of huge anti-war and anti-government protests was
attended by tens of thousands of people, before similar numbers flocked to a
counter-demonstration on Sunday evening.
The pro-Ukraine rally profiled itself as an “anti-fear” demonstration, and
organisers told me it rejects “extremists” who are becoming “louder and louder.”
The intention, they said, was to “spread hope instead of hatred.”
Their language echoes rhetoric used by the Czech establishment when talking
about protestors who object to support for Ukraine. No matter how much one
agrees with pro-Ukraine sentiments, this should be cause for concern. There’s
something jarring, in a country with a painful history of enforced ideological
conformity, about dismissals of protestors as “extremists” guided by a “fifth
column” hostile to the state. This is especially true when such claims are being
made, among others, by the nation’s prime minister.
The Ministry of the Interior’s Putin banner
But rhetoric is just as heated on the other side, with anti-war protestors
claiming the West sees Czechs as “slaves” and that institutions such as NATO and
the EU are inimical to national sovereignty. The government is feeding this
oppositional environment, too. On Friday, the Ministry of the Interior hung a
huge banner between the Czech and Ukrainian flags depicting Vladimir Putin in a
bodybag. The display was interpreted as a rebuke to the anti-government protests
taking place that same day, with the Interior Minister saying “the enemy” would
not be allowed to “steal the concept of patriotism or our flag.”
Such bitterness shows that this dispute is now about much more than Ukraine.
Russia’s invasion is the focus for a wider culture war building in intensity and
acrimony.
Unlike in Britain, where support for Ukraine is widespread among both
conservatives and progressives, here attitudes towards the war are broadly
reflective of divisions on the Czech Republic’s place in the western
international order. Support for Ukraine, support for membership of the European
Union, support for progressive values and support for a technocratic style of
government tend to go hand-in-hand. This could be clearly seen in Sunday’s
pro-Ukraine demonstration, which also advocated for LGBT rights and was marked
by an abundance of EU flags.
Indeed, some social parallels can be drawn with British social attitudes towards
culture and identity during the Brexit vote. The Czech Republic’s metropolitan
pro-Ukraine, pro-EU faction sees itself as “on the right side of history,” while
opponents feel ignored by an elite which they claim is more concerned with
international interests than their own.
This merely shows that similar social divides can latch onto wildly different
causes depending on a nation’s geography and history. Divisions aren’t the same
throughout eastern Europe, either. Poland is another country where social
conservatives and progressives are united in loathing of the Kremlin. Still, in
parts of this geopolitically contested region, the narrative of East vs West in
Ukraine is feeding new battles at home over culture and identity.
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chris Barton
2 months ago
Everyone i speak to is disgusted that we are sending money we don’t have to
Ukraine when our own people cant afford to put the heating on and are struggling
with the ever increasing price of food.
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Aphrodite Rises
2 months ago
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I find it odd that this comment is downvoted. Is the person responsible
disputing Chris’s experience, indicating a comment of this type is unacceptable
(expressing a desire for censorship) regardless of veracity, disputing the
nation can afford it, or is there some other reason?
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chris Barton
2 months ago
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Just the usual war hawks that are stuck in the cold war.
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Rob Cameron
2 months ago
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@Aphrodite Rises, I suspect the downvotes are to show Chris Barton that he’s
‘anchored’ to his own social network and needs to meet more people who might
display a different view.
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Aphrodite Rises
2 months ago
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Maybe, but surely it would be better to state the objection.
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Anna Bramwell
2 months ago
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I dont see a down vote
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Aphrodite Rises
2 months ago
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Upvotes neutralise downvotes. I have suggested to Unherd they separate the two
but either it is too difficult a task for the techies or they don’t want to for
some reason they don’t wish to share.
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Wim de Vriend
2 months ago
Reply to Aphrodite Rises
As near as I can tell, it’s being upvoted by many.
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Aphrodite Rises
2 months ago
Reply to Wim de Vriend
True . But when I posted my comment the ‘score’ was -1. My comment about
downvotes neutralising upvotes has received many downvotes but 1 more upvote. I
am mystified as to why a statement of fact should be downvoted.
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Tom Lewis
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
“Everyone i speak to”, maybe you should try getting out more ?
If the signatories of the Versailles Treaty (however flawed) had spent more
time, effort and money on enforcing the terms of the plan, a lot more money, not
to mention much else, could have been spared later. Ukraine all ‘seems’ so very
far away, until it isn’t, much like Czechoslovakia must have seemed in 38. In
this regard Putin is ‘probably’ far closer to AH than any, so called, member of
the Asov battalion.
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chris Barton
2 months ago
Reply to Tom Lewis
Standard tactics which have been used to sell every war snice WW2 – The new
threat is Hitler (Putin) and must be stopped, those that are in favour of war
are Churchill (Mr Johnson) and anyone who doesn’t want to go to war or has any
doubts is Chamberlain. I’ll never understand the people in this country who
forever want us to get involved in wars we have no direct interest in, wars over
the last century have diminished us as a country the best example being The 1st
World war which turned us into a debtor nation forever. Can always pack your
bags and head off to the front Tom.
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Mike Doyle
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
The ‘bes’t type of wars are foreign wars – it is far better for a country to
fight its wars on someone else territory than on its own.
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Jeff Andrews
2 months ago
Reply to Mike Doyle
Especially when somebody else is doing the fighting. Just think they might even
bring back conscription since our army’s a bit small.
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Anna Bramwell
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
Chamberlain, Roosevelt too.
Last edited 2 months ago by Anna Bramwell
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JR Stoker
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
It would be interesting to ponder what would have happened if we had not fought
the First World War, or the Second. But if we hadn’t we would be a supplicant
subservient state of Germany and would not be in any position to do any
pondering.
If we.want freedom to survive from time to time we have to fight for it. This is
one of those times
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chris Barton
2 months ago
Reply to JR Stoker
“supplicant subservient state” Erm have you heard of this thing called the EU?
Run by and for the benefit of Germany. I’d also argue that’s exactly what we are
to the Americans snice Suez.
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Warren Trees
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
You seem like a nice chap, and certainly entitled to your opinion, but one that
needs to be a little more informed about history. When another country attempts
to invade your country with the intention of full control over your people and
way of life it demands a response, does it not?
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JR Stoker
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
I’m not keen on the EU (understatement) but there is no comparison with the
Nationals Socialist dictatorship. And to suggest such a thing about the
Americans is preposterous
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Warren Trees
2 months ago
Reply to JR Stoker
I don’t believe you had a choice in WWII. When the Germans started to bombard
your island, it sort of forced the issue, no?
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Jeff Andrews
2 months ago
Reply to Warren Trees
Except they didn’t bombard our island, did they? And don’t kid yourself Poland
wasn’t liberated until,1991.
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JR Stoker
2 months ago
Reply to Warren Trees
No, it didn’t.
Too many broken promises by Hitler; the bombs came quite a while after the
declaration
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Warren Trees
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
There is always a simple choice in these matters. You can either fight to
preserve your culture and language or agree to live under the culture and
language of others. It’s the history of the world.
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chris Barton
2 months ago
Reply to Tom Lewis
Funny how you go straight to the Hitler comparison with Putin then try to
minimise the Azov boys, you know actual Nazi’s.
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Sam Brown
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
That comment clearly shows your colours… If you don’t understand that letting
aggressors succeed when they start their aggression then I am afraid when they
come for you it will be too late. We must always defend right and principal;
appeasement invites contempt and further aggression.
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chris Barton
2 months ago
Reply to Sam Brown
My colours? being against actual Nazis, right ok. Have you not seen the Russian
army’s performance? its honestly pathetic compared to the picture that the media
have painted all these years. The Russians don’t have the means or manpower to
take and hold eastern Ukraine let alone re impose the borders of the USSR.
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Anna Bramwell
2 months ago
Reply to Tom Lewis
Are you thinking of the League of Nations? The terms of Versailles contributed
to the 2WW.
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Jeff Andrews
2 months ago
Reply to Tom Lewis
Maybe the signatories of the Minsk agreement should have stuck to it, the first
time Ukraine ignored it there army got surrounded by the DPR militia. They
needed NATO to get them out and then Poroshenko proceeded to ignore Minsk 2. If
the Russians go west I wouldn’t blame them for the theft of there assets and the
British state terrorism.
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Aaron James
2 months ago
Reply to Tom Lewis
Do you know the Munich Agreement ? It is the treaty which allowed Hitler to take
Czechoslovakia – the British and French Appeasers gave Cz to Germany although
the Cz had sufficient Military to resist very strongly, and if GB and Fr had not
agreed, the three of them could have easily defeated Germany before it had real
power. Instead the very strong Cz military became part of Germany military. The
Munich Agreement was the real Start of WWII by the West appeasing the tyrant.
This in no way is anything to do with Ukraine today.
Allowing Germany to have Cz caused WWII. Allowing Russia to have Ukraine would
have avoided WWIII. Do not go conflating total opposites because they sound
similar, yet are complete opposites.
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Rob N
2 months ago
Reply to Aaron James
Munich Agreement did not ‘gIve’ CZ to Germany rather ‘only’ the Sudetenland.
Russia is in the wrong in invading Ukraine BUT they have been manoeuvred/pushed
into doing this by lies about expanding NATO etc from US, UK etc and by our
support for the Maidan coup.
Sadly there is now little difference between US and Russian Governments and
beginning to wonder which would be better to live under. US only better at the
moment as a lot of the US is fighting back against their own Govt. If the Govt
wins….
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Vít Samohýl
2 months ago
Reply to Rob N
Munich definitely gave whole of Czechoslovakia to Hitler…
Russia has not been “manoeuvered” to anything. “US government is bad too” is the
height of moral relativism and also “Govt” isn’t going to win in the US.
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Alan Hawkes
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
We obviously speak to different people. I form the opposite impression.
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Warren Trees
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
Interesting perspective. Was it disgusting that the United States of America
decided to send money, supplies and a large chunk of it’s young men, in the
1940’s, to save Europe and your island nation, from potentially speaking German
and living under tyranny?
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chris Barton
2 months ago
Reply to Warren Trees
You seem ignorant of the USA’s behaviour before it entered the war. The USA only
agreed to lend us more money after it had audited us and found out that unless
they gave us money we would have to stop fighting. Britian also had to sent most
its gold reserves to Fort Knox before any loan was given. I was referring the
1st World war (which set up the 2nd) in my original comment and you skipped
straight to the 2nd WW with your moral superior tone reply.
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Phil Bolton
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
The amount we send to Ukraine is minimal and would do little to help in the cost
of living problems. Standing up to Russia is a vital major strategic
responsibility. If we give up on Ukraine you think that Putin will stop there
? Anyway, your comment has little to do with the article which is about internal
ideological conflicts within a country caused by the Ukraine war.
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Iris C
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
I think you are right and would hazard a guess that the majority of people in
the UK would put the welfare of their families, their mortgages and their future
livlihoods before destroying (and then having to rebuild) a country on the
outskirts of Europe which has no chance of victory. The conflict will just go on
and on unless the UN steps in and brokers a peace deal. (When it was discussed
in the UN originally I think only 43 countries gave support with 37 abstentions)
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Michael Stewart
2 months ago
Reply to chris Barton
Where are these everyones? Sure your telling the truth about what you’re hearing
but it would be interesting to know what part of the U.K. and who you’re talking
about. In east london this is for sure not the chat at the bus stop…
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professor50018@gmail.com professor50018@gmail.com
29 days ago
Reply to chris Barton
I hear the same thing in the United States.
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Jeff Andrews
2 months ago
It’s getting to the stage where I can’t even look at that repulsive p and tears
flag of theres. If you want to support a bunch of violent bigots who feed their
army(sic) psychotropic drugs and little else, be my guest. But you know you are
supporting terrorism by UK forces which will have serious consequences for us
and you know we wouldn’t last long against the Russian army.
We’ve less than 15, 000 infantry for goodness sake, get a grip!
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Helen E
2 months ago
Reply to Jeff Andrews
What’s the p and tears flag, sorry? Trying to keep up.
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professor50018@gmail.com professor50018@gmail.com
29 days ago
Greetings from Southern California. I will be staying in Prague for at least 3
months and maybe more so anything to do with the Czech Republic is important to
me.
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professor50018@gmail.com professor50018@gmail.com
29 days ago
In the United States we have conservatives who say we should help poor Americans
first before helping any refugees and then they don’t want to help anybody
refugees or poor Americans.
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Northern Observer
2 months ago
If you’re not pro Russian by now you’re just not paying attention.
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Jeff Andrews
2 months ago
Reply to Northern Observer
I just think it’s the suppressed bigotry and superiority complex inherent in all
Europeans (especially us Brits) coming out. We can legally hate Russians, great!
Just please dont bring back conscription and make us actually fight them.
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