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CLEVELAND PARK LISTSERV RULES





The Cleveland Park Email List is a neighborhood discussion list. This is a place
where you can exchange news about the neighborhood, including new stores, street
construction, development, city services, robberies and break-ins, traffic,
parking, stuff for sale, places for rent, where to eat, where to get a great
plumber, schools, and more. Think of the list as a your neighborhood post
office, playground or supermarket, where you'd meet and chat with your
neighbors.

The Cleveland Park email list is the most vibrant, energetic --and largest--
neighborhood email list in the Washington, DC area, and in the United States. As
the list becomes larger, the list moderators have found it necessary to develop
a set of rules that contribute to making the list a fun and useful place in
cyberspace.

How does this list work? The Cleveland Park Listserv functions much like a
"letters to the editor" column, in that the moderators must read and permit the
posting of each message. On any given day we typically publish about half of the
submissions received. If you write your message in accordance with the list
rules, it stands a good chance of being published on the listserv, but please
understand that there is no "right" to have a message posted here. The
moderators are free to make judgments about which messages to publish and are
under no obligation to discuss the reasons for turning down a message with the
list member who sent it in or with other list members. In other words, this
listserv is not a public forum but a privately run, members-only service. It's a
resource intensive service, too, and it depends on the support of its donors,
friends, and sponsors to keep going. We have a Friends of the Listserv program
you can join by clicking here. To support the listserv and at the same time
reach our readers with an advertisement in support of your business, cause, or
event, click here. With your support, the Cleveland Park Listserv is able to
bring you regular columns, as well as thoughtful, well-edited discussion of
important topics. This is one online forum where you'll never find an anonymous
rant. And that surely is worth something.

We treat bandwidth as a limited resource. We don't want our list members to be
overwhelmed with messages, and have their inboxes cluttered. All messages that
are posted on the Cleveland Park listserv need to be written in accordance with
the rules below. Do not write to us to point out any messages that have appeared
that you believe to be inconsistent with the posting rules. There are no bonus
points for finding an occasional mistake!

New list members should wait at least a day or two before posting their first
message in order to get a sense of what the listserv is like, unless the message
is urgent.

The Cleveland Park email list is a G-rated list: Messages should be appropriate
for all ages.

1. Sign your messages, preferably with your full name, but at a minimum, with
your first name. Anonymous posts are never permitted. You do not need to post
your exact address, phone number or other personal information. While the
moderators may add a list member's name to an unsigned message (if we know who
you are), most of the time unsigned messages will simply be deleted. Screen
names are not acceptable. Initials (either as a substitute for your first or
last name) are not accepted on the Cleveland Park Listserv, since they create a
sense of anonymity that we want to avoid. For example, messages may not be
signed "T. Smith" or "Jane R." Your name needs to appear at the end of your
message.

2. No crossposts. Do not send anything to this list that you are sending out to
other lists or other recipients. That means: No press releases, no
mass-circulated announcements, and no messages that say, "Please distribute this
to everyone you know." Exceptions are made for messages of an urgent nature,
which affect the health or safety of neighbors, or which the list moderators
consider to be important or useful to the neighborhood at large. Neighborhood
civic groups such as the ANC are generally exempt from the no-crosspost rule
(but still shouldn't have more than one email address in the TO or CC line of
their message.)

Do not add any other email addresses to the CC or TO line of your message.

3. Messages must be your own original writing, written just for your neighbors
on this email list. That means: no articles copied from newspapers, no text from
websites, brochures or campaign flyers, no forwards, and no copies of messages
you have received privately or have seen on other email lists.

4. Posts should relate to Cleveland Park or the vicinity*. While Cleveland Park
is part of the solar system, it's a good idea to keep your messages about
somewhat more local topics. The Cleveland Park Email List is not the place for
announcements about any of the following: national or international cause
organizations; out-of-neighborhood charities or non-profit institutions; other
email lists; demonstrations, protests, rallies, lectures, or fundraisers, except
for those held in the neighborhood or directly related to a neighborhood issue.
That is to say, any announcement of a lecture at the Cleveland Park Library is
fine, while any announcement about a lecture at the M.L. King Library is not
(unless it's a lecture about Cleveland Park's history at the M.L. King Library.)
The sample posts provide more examples of messages that are suitable and
unsuitable for this neighborhood discussion group.

If posting an event announcement, please check the map of the listserv coverage
area. Out-of-boundary events generally cannot be announced on this
neighborhood-focused list. However, in some cases it may be possible for the
poster to create a physical connection to the neighborhood. If, for example, you
are soliciting donations for an out-of-neighborhood clothing drive, and you are
willing to go to list members' homes to pick up the donated items, then the
collection would be considered in-boundary. Another example: If posting about a
rally downtown, you could organize transportation for neighborhood residents to
arrive at the event as a contingent, or you could host a post-event get-together
in your own home in the neighborhood. Announcements that have no such
neighborhood connection will be deleted. There's more about the requirements for
posting a fundraising message on our fundraising policy page . Keep in mind,
however, that your announcement can always be posted as a sponsored message if
it doesn't meet the requirements for free publicity on the listserv.

Generally speaking, the Cleveland Park email list is not a bulletin board. This
is a neighborhood discussion list.

5. Your message must be readable. Spelling and punctuation count. The same goes
for using paragraphs, correct capitalization, and other grammatical niceties.
Properly spelled and formatted emails help list members figure out what you're
trying to say. Spelling mistakes may make it impossible to find your message
through an archive search. ALL CAPS can be used for occasional emphasis only.
Don't overuse ellipsis. Messages may not start in the subject line and continue
the sentence in the text box. Keep in mind that there are list members who are
sight-impaired or for whom English is a second language. Messages that contain
forwarding marks (>>>) in every line will be deleted because these messages are
especially difficult to read.

If you are posting a long hyperlink, please convert it to something short using
one of the various free Internet services such as TinyURL, www.tinyurl.com or
Bit.ly, http://bit.ly . Long URLs may not be clickable through YahooGroups; it's
also a good idea to put a space between the end of the URL and any punctuation.
Test all links; to help keep the list message traffic at a reasonable level, the
list moderators may not approve messages that are simply corrections of wrong or
broken URLs.

Compose your message in plain text.

6. Respect the privacy of others. Posting someone's home address or phone number
or posting private or personal correspondence without their permission is not
allowed. Forwarding or reposting somebody's off-list correspondence on the
Cleveland Park Listserv or elsewhere is not allowed. The only exceptions to this
are compilations of off-list replies about service professionals, and posts from
government officials. List members may --and are encouraged to-- report back to
the Listserv with replies about plumbers, painters, auto body shops, taxi
services, etc. If you create a compilation, it's helpful to add "Compilation" to
the subject line of your message. Leave out your correspondents' names, unless
the message specifically authorizes you to use the person's name in a
compilation. Before sending in a compilation of recommendations or a single
recommendation, you may find it helpful to read the list's recommendations
policy page.

7. Post reasonably and responsibly. That means don't feel obligated to reply to
every message that moves you. Too many messages from the same person over a
short period of time or on the same subject is considered "overposting" -- a
form of clutter.

Single-issue posting --posting only on one subject over and over again-- isn't
permitted because this list should not be used as anyone's personal soapbox.
Attempting to flood the list with messages on a particular issue is not allowed,
and anyone who does this may be banned from the list.

Do not add a high priority flag or mark your message as urgent. If you do so,
the moderators may put you on can't-post status.

Before posting an information query please check the list archives. If you don't
know how to check the archives, please read the Cleveland Park List FAQ , which
provides instructions for accessing and searching through old messages.

Please consider whether your message is of interest to the general list reader
or is better suited to a limited distribution list. (Example: Meeting minutes
should go only to those present at the meeting and do not belong on the
Cleveland Park Email List.)

No posting "for a friend." Please don't offer the use of this listserv to anyone
but a member of your immediate household. This rule helps to keep our list
message volume down and preserves the neighbor-to-neighbor focus of the
listserv.

Messages may not include a challenge or request to another list member to
respond to your own message, (e.g., "Debbie, before you sell your car on the
listserv, have you considered giving it to a charity?" or "After my bad
experience at that dry cleaning place, I'm never going back, unless the owner
can explain here what happened to my clothes.") If you are responding to someone
else's argument in a discussion of an issue, be sure to frame your reply so that
anyone else can respond. We do our best to keep discussion from turning into a
repeated exchange between just two posters.

When answering somebody's question, it's a good idea to actually provide an
answer: Don't say, "There's a computer repair shop on Connecticut Avenue near
the coffee shop, but I don't remember the shop's name." All such "I don't know"
posts will be deleted. Please refrain from "me, too" or "I agree" posts that
don't add new information. There's more about the requirements for
recommendations and responses to queries on our recommendations policy page.

The list moderators may end a thread or discussion if the message volume becomes
excessive or the posts seem repetitive.

8. Personal attacks, ridicule, harsh or uncivil language or profanity are not
allowed on the Cleveland Park email list. No questioning somebody's motives for
making a post. The list is not the place to air a personal grievance against
your neighbors. Any post that is intended to inflame (also called "trolling") is
not permitted. In other words, keep a neighborly tone.

Posting, republishing or quoting a list member's off list correspondence or
emails in any public forum without that list member's permission is not allowed,
unless that list member is a government official.

The list moderators may ban a list member, who, in their sole discretion, they
consider to be disruptive to the list as a whole, or to individual members, or
to the list moderators.

9. Rules for posting by non-residents: While people who live outside of the
listserv's defined boundaries are welcome to join and post, there are three
important restrictions on their use of the listserv. First, non-residents can't
use the listserv to sell things. (There's more about this in Rule #10 on
advertising policies.) Second, if it seems to the moderators that someone has
joined just to harp on a single issue or push their own pet cause (rather than
be part of a neighborhood conversation), then we may suspend posting privileges
for that list member. Third, non-residents can't use the list to raise money or
solicit donations for any causes (no matter how worthy), in keeping with this
list's restrictive rules on fundraising. Click here to find out more.

District of Columbia government officials should review the guidelines for DC
government messages.

Political candidates, staff, and supporters need to read our posting guidelines
for candidates.



10. Listserv advertising policy: In order to keep the Cleveland Park Listserv
primarily a discussion list, posting of ads is extremely restricted. In a
nutshell, the only people who are allowed to post free ads are those who live
within the listserv's defined boundaries, and the free ads must be
non-commercial in nature and not too frequent. (You can now purchase a paid
advertisement on the Cleveland Park Listserv.) "Non-commercial" means that you
cannot advertise something that you are in the business of selling. For example,
you can offer your home for a writer's group meeting, but if you are a full-time
editor, you can't advertise your professional writing classes. It's usually okay
for neighborhood teenagers, college students, care givers, and others who are
not full-time professionals to offer their babysitting or housecleaning
services; however, these messages can be posted for free only once a year; any
additional ads must be purchased. Please note: ALL ads selling or renting homes,
whether in the neighborhood or elsewhere, are now published only as paid ads.
High-end items (anything with an asking price over $1000) also fall under our
paid advertising program.

Business owners and professionals may post on neighborhood matters but should
not put anything in their messages that promote or advertise their business --
and that includes tag lines or slogans after their signature. Recommendations
can't be posted for any business in which you have a financial or personal
interest. (That means you can't recommend your spouse's business.) Shilling,
like all fraudulent posts, is prohibited.

Free advertising is very limited on the Cleveland Park Listserv, and so the
moderators may, at their discretion, turn down an ad that otherwise meets the
listserv's qualifications for free advertising, if deemed needed to hold down
the number of ads on a given day.

Please note: The Cleveland Park Listserv has a commercial advertising program
for business professionals, retail stores, neighbors and others. Please click
here to find out more about it.

Items that have been offered for sale elsewhere (such as on Craig's List) do not
qualify for a free ad on the Cleveland Park Listserv. Click here to find out how
to purchase an ad for your previously advertised items.

To read about the difference between an ad for a business (which must be
purchased) and a recommendation for a business (usually okay), click here. We
also have a helpful checklist that posters should use before sending an ad to
the CP Listserv.

To be posted, an ad must contain some indication of your location, so that it's
clear you live within the list's boundaries. You do not need to give your full
address, but a street name or intersection is sufficient. If there's nothing in
your ad to indicate that you're a neighbor, your ad will not be posted. If you
live outside the listserv boundaries, you are welcome to participate in
discussion but cannot use the listserv as a free ad board. To pay for your ad,
click here.

Advertising privileges are reserved for list members and those who live with
them in the same household. The CP List does not allow the posting of ads on
behalf of friends, colleagues, acquaintances, or on behalf of institutional
programs. That last restriction means that you can't use the CP Listserv to seek
housing for all the exchange students coming in for a summer school program or
all the interns that your office is bringing in from around the country. If your
company or organization would like to purchase an advertisement to seek housing
for your interns, click here.

You can post a for-sale item once; no reminders or repeated advertisements for
the same items. If you have multiple items to sell, be sure to list them all in
the same ad. List members can use the list to sell things only a few times per
year, and you must wait at least two months between for-sale ads.

All ads for property, whether for sale or for rent, in the neighborhood or out,
are published only as paid ads. We hope you are willing to purchase an
inexpensive advertisement, which not only is an effective way to find buyers or
renters, but which provides the listserv with the financial support it needs to
continue its existence.

Babysiters and housecleaners are allowed to advertise their services for free on
the listserv (or have an ad submitted for them by a reference) just one every 12
months.

To prevent the Cleveland Park Listserv from being overrun with sports tickets
for sale during those seasons, no more than one set of tickets can be sold on
the list per day. If you want to sell your Nationals or Redskins tickets and
somebody else has already offered tickets for sale that day, just be the first
list member on the following day to offer tickets for sale. To cut down on the
overall ratio of ads to discussion, list members should not offer tickets for
sale more than three times a season.

You can use a service such as TinyPic, www.tinypic.com to link to a photo of the
item you're selling, if you want. Attachments are never allowed on the CP
Listserv (needed to protect list members from the spread of computer viruses).

Put "needed" or "wanted" or "for sale" or "FS:" or "for free" in the subject
line of your message, as appropriate. It makes it lot easier for list members if
you specify in the subject line of the message whether your item is something
that's for sale or that you're seeking.

Please use the advertising checklist when posting a for-sale item.

11. Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, and spam. (This section concerns spammers,
spam challenge systems, and spam/scam warnings.)

Spam of any kind is prohibited on the Cleveland Park email list. This includes
long signature lines that double as advertising or sloganeering, and advertising
disguised as "informational messages." Anyone who sends spam to the listserv or
to any other listserv or individuals or who is disruptive to the list may have
their posts deleted or may be banned from the list.

Ticket scalpers will have their posts deleted and may be banned from the list.
The only tickets that may be sold on the listserv are those you bought for your
personal use but are unable to use. Tickets may not be sold for over face value.
List members who buy and sell tickets on multiple lists may be banned.

Don't send virus, spam, or scam warnings to the list. The Internet is full of
fraudulent email, but it's not a neighborhood-related issue -- it's global. List
members need to be responsible for their own virus protection and spam
filtering. You need not worry about receiving a virus from any email that comes
from the Cleveland Park Email List because viruses come in the form of an
attachment or forwarded message, neither of which can be posted on this list.
The moderators have always diligently screened out all spam, as well, and we ban
anyone who attempts to spam the list.

Don't use a spam challenge system on any email account that you use to post to
the CP Listserv. The moderators will not jump through hoops to communicate with
posters about problems with their posts, and we don't want list members who
reply to queries to have to do so, either. If we can't get through to you by
replying to your subscribed email address, we may have to cut off your posting
privileges. It's frustrating to the moderators and other list members to be
unable to communicate with a poster.

12. Snip, snip, snip: Before replying to a post, cut out any parts of the
original message that aren't relevant to your reply. In other words, you
shouldn't include the entire original message in your reply. Cut out the "tag
lines," "message footers," and Yahoo information at the end of each message.
This is particularly helpful to people who subscribe to the list digest, who
read messages on their cell phones, and who are visually impaired. The
moderators cannot do this sort of basic editing for list members and will delete
messages that contain the entire digest, have "Digest" in the subject line, have
repeated message footers and tag lines, or need similar repairs.

Please keep in mind that the digest cannot accommodate lengthy messages. Strive
to be brief. If you can't condense the information you want to convey into a
message of just a few paragraphs, then invite those interested in the subject in
greater depth to email you off-line for an expanded version of your message. The
normal length limit is about 500 words. If you plan to send a longer message,
it's a good idea to email the moderators off-list about your intended long
message and ask whether it can be put through. Remember: The CP Listserv does
not accept attachments.







13. The Cleveland Park Listserv archives are for list members only. Anyone who
is not a list member is prohibited from accessing the list's archives. To find
out how to use the list's archives, please read the instructions on our FAQ
page, http://cpfaq.notlong.com .

14. Anyone who collects or harvests list members' email addresses for spamming,
sending advertisements or any other purpose, or who is a spammer, or who joins
the list under false pretenses will be banned from the list. Harvesting email
addresses will be considered computer trespass. We share our banned member list
with other listserv moderators.

These rules are aimed at promoting a list that is friendly but focused, flexible
but not a free-for-all. The moderators will make whatever exceptions they find
necessary or helpful to meet the needs of individual neighbors, in emergencies,
or to serve the overall needs of the group. If you don't find your message on
the list, you may assume it has been deleted. Typically about half of the
submitted messages are deleted. The moderators sometimes delete messages that
meet all the list's rules, in some cases because they have decided not to start
a thread on a particular topic, in other cases because that topic was recently
discussed at length, or for any of a dozen other reasons. The moderators
sometimes write a note of explanation when a message is not published, but with
message traffic so high, it's more likely that they will delete without a note
to the poster.

You need to have a working email address to post on the Cleveland Park Listserv.
If the list moderators have to write to you about your message and you can't
read your email, then we may have to put you on can't-post status. Please note
that the moderators will not fill out spam challenge forms or make phone calls
to contact list members about their messages. If you don't provide us with a
working email address where we can reach you if we need to, you may not be able
to post on the CP Email List.

(Click here for some examples of what's acceptable and what isn't okay on the
Cleveland Park email list.)

By default, replies go to the sender. To post a message to the list, put
cleveland-park@yahoogroups.com in the TO line of your message. If you receive
individual messages, please use the "reply" button to reply to a message.
However, it's okay to use "reply to all" to reply to both the list and the
sender on some occasions, and to have both the list and sender's email address
in the TO line of your message. It is not acceptable to have other recipients in
the TO or CC line of your message to the Cleveland Park email list. List members
who receive the digest should NOT use the "reply" or "reply to all" button but
must start a new message to the posting address; using the "reply" button will
send the whole digest back to the group!

The list moderators may ban or put on "can't post status" any list member who
violates the list's rules.

The list moderators may edit an excessively long message for length, to remove
advertising, or to make the message conform in some other way to the list's
rules.

All messages express the views of the person making the post. List members are
responsible for the content of their messages.

If your post does not immediately appear on the list, please do not send it
again. It can take up to 24 hours for a message to appear on the list.

Please DO NOT put a message to the moderators in your post to the list. If you
can't figure out the answer to your question from reading this page or from
reviewing the Cleveland Park List FAQ, you can email the moderators at
cleveland-park-owner [at] yahoogroups (dot) com -- but please keep in mind that
the moderators are all volunteers, and that we do not have unlimited time to
deal with list members' questions.

As the Cleveland Park email list grows larger, it's important to have a set of
rules that make cyberspace a more pleasant and workable space. We hope that
these rules make for a civil but fun neighborhood email list.

Bill Adler & Peggy Robin

List Moderators/Owners

Wow! As you can see, the Cleveland Park Listserv is a very busy place in
cyberspace, and takes a lot of time on the part of the volunteer moderators. You
are welcome to show your support by making a donation. The moderators appreciate
the good karma that comes from knowing that Listserv members appreciate all the
hard work that goes into running the Cleveland Park Listserv:





You can reach the list owners at cleveland-park-owner [at] yahoogroups (dot)
com. If it's an emergency, call 202-986-9275. (What's a list emergency? A lost
pet; a crime suspect at large; a hacker attack on the listserv ... and not much
else. List management or receiving problems do not constitute an emergency.)

 * Cleveland Park Email List main page
 * Cleveland Park List FAQ

Appropriate versus not-appropriate advertising-type messages

Read about the Cleveland Park email list in The Washington Post

A webpage devoted to stopping illegal, noisy activities in Washington, DC.

For a useful guide to email etiquette, visit
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/index.html or
http://www.cs.queensu.ca/FAQs/email/etiquette.html or

A (very) short primer on how to reply to messages

You should also be familiar with Yahoo's rules.



Is My Post OK Or Not OK for the Cleveland Park Email List?

Still not sure whether your post fits within the rules? Here are some examples
of posts that are okay ... and some similar posts that are not.



Cleveland Park Email List main page (and how to contact the list moderators -
scroll down to the end of that page for the list owner address)

Read a Washington Post article about the early days of the Cleveland Park email
list

The Cleveland Park Flickr Group: View and share photos of Washington, DC

We're on Twitter @clevelandpark.





Cleveland Park and Vicinity

Click here for map of the Cleveland Park listserv coverage area

What is Cleveland Park and vicinity? The Cleveland Park Email List coverage area
includes not only Cleveland Park but also the nearby neighborhoods of Woodley
Park, Forest Hills, North Cleveland Park, Tenleytown, Cathedral Heights, McLean
Gardens, Mass. Avenue Heights, and Glover Park. Parts of Chevy Chase, Friendship
Heights, and Georgetown are also included. Here are the boundary lines:



Starting on the southeast corner of the National Zoo, the boundary line goes
north and east around the Zoo, continuing along the eastern line of Rock Creek
Park, taking in all of the park up to Military Road, which forms the boundary
line on the north. Continue straight west along Military Road until Western
Avenue. Follow Western Avenue southeast until 46th St. Follow 46th St. due south
until Massachusetts Avenue and American University. The boundary line goes to
the west to take in the whole American University Campus and then continues
south along Foxhall Road at Whitehaven Parkway. The southern boundary of the
listserv runs east along Whitehaven Parkway, ending at Wisconsin Avenue, and
then continues a few blocks south on Wisconsin until R St. The southern boundary
line goes east along R St., taking in all of Montrose Park, which connects at
its eastern end with Rock Creek Park, which forms the southeastern boundary of
the listserv. If you follow the boundary line of Rock Creek Park northeast you
will arrive at the southeast corner of the National Zoo, where we began.

A final note about the rules. When we created the Cleveland Park Listserv in
1999, we had no rules. It was like the free-spirited 60's again. But as this
online community grew, we found that list members' views of what should be
permitted were, well, their views. And these perspectives sometimes ran counter
to good common sense. For instance, the first time that somebody posted THEIR
WHOLE MESSAGE ENTIRELY IN UPPER CASE we realized that we needed a rule about
this. When somebody who lives in Florida posted a diatribe about Elian Gonzalez,
who was staying in Cleveland Park at the time (remember that?), we realized that
we need to limit discussion to people who live in the neighborhood and vicinity,
lest anyone anywhere in the world be able to comment on any famous or
controversial person in Cleveland Park. When somebody first posted a reply to
every single message posted that day, we realized.... You get the idea. Most of
the rules on the Cleveland Park Listserv are a product of our learning
experience and growth.

If you're looking for one "meta-rule" that you can use a guidance when posting
to the Cleveland Park Listserv it's this: think of your message as a
letter-to-the editor.

Please read our advertising disclosure page here.

--Bill Adler & Peggy Robin

List Founders and Owners

"Always online, always caffeinated, always willing to put the listserv ahead of
family, friends and the real world."

--The List Moderator's Credo, created by Bill Adler

The TinyURL for this page is http://tinyurl.com/2ymc56






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