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ACCEPT Pinkbike.com Powered by Outside * Log in * Register New User * News * Originals * Podcast * Reviews * Events * First Looks * Friday Fails * PB Racing * Tech * Travel * Fantasy * BuySell * Community * Forums * Community Blogs * Photos * Videos * Fantasy League DH * Places Directory * Trailforks * Shop * More * Travel * Forums * Blogs * Photos * Videos * Directory * Trailforks REVIEW: FOX RELEASES NEW TRANSFER NEO WIRELESS DROPPER POST Aug 20, 2024 by Dario DiGiulio FollowFollowing Share Tweet You must login to Pinkbike. Don't have an account? Sign up Join Pinkbike Login Add to Favorites 310 Comments With wireless dropper posts becoming increasingly common, and some 200mm variants finally proliferating the market, it was only a matter of time before one of the big players came out with their own long-travel option. Fox has been refining their cable-actuated Transfer post over a few generations now, and has integrated some of those learnings into their first wireless offering: the Transfer Neo. With a wide range of stroke lengths, and fitment options for any modern frame, the Neo is likely to be a compelling option for the right person. Transfer Neo Details • Travel amounts: 100, 125, 150, 175, 200mm • 30.9, 31.6, 34.9mm diameters • Weight: 528-805g, remote: 57g • 30-40 hour battery life • MSRP: $859 USD | $1149 CAD | €1100 EUR (Includes post, lever, battery, all accessories) • More info: ridefox.com The 30.9 and 31.6mm Transfer Neo can be configured in 100mm, 125mm, 150mm, 175mm and 200mm drop options, with the 34.9mm diameter post available in everything but the 100mm stroke option. Fox's remote uses a CR2032 coin battery, and should provide about one year of use before needing replacement. Fox designed a small square battery to power the post itself, with 2.22Wh of storage to get about 30-40 hours of runtime. The included USB-C charger is impressively tiny, and can juice up a dead battery in a bit less than an hour and a half. Adding air is still an analog process, and can easily be done via a Schrader valve at the top of the post. For reference, the insertion lengths for the various sizes are as follows: 30.9 / 31.6mm: 100mm, 201.1mm | 125mm, 231.2mm | 150mm, 260.9mm | 175mm, 292.7mm | 200mm, 322.6mm 34.9mm: 125mm, 231.2mmm | 150mm, 254.8mm | 175mm, 284.6mm | 200mm, 314.5mm All the pertinent info and certifications. The battery looks quite similar to the one we saw on a prototype RAD shock at Sea Otter this year. Battery and charger, both quite small. INSTALLATION As you'd expect with the deletion of cables and housing, this part is quite easy. Simply slide it into your frame, install your saddle, and voila: done. Pairing the remote is painless, thanks in part to Fox's excellent companion app. The insertion depth on the Transfer Neo isn't groudbreaking, with the 200mm 34.9mm post I'm testing measuring at 315mm below the collar. For reference, a cable-actuated V2 OneUp with 210mm of stroke measures 310mm, and the wireless TransX EPD01 200mm measures 290mm. Those looking to eke every millimeter of drop out of a frame with limited insertion will probably have to look elsewhere. Unlike the new cable-actuated Transfer, the Neo's stroke length is not adjustable, so you're set with whatever dropper length you initially purchase. In case anyone is looking for this figure, and it doesn't show up on Fox's website, the overall length from base to saddle rail clamp on both 200mm posts I have is 565mm. The post uses the same clamp design as the new cable-actuated Transfer, with a low stack height and typical 2-bolt adjustment. The three included remote mounts mean there's something to work with pretty much any cockpit setup out there, with clean integration available to the two most common brake systems. The remote can be mounted via 22.2mm bar clamp, SRAM MatchMaker, or Shimano I-Spec EV, with all three options included. To view this video please enable JavaScript, and consider upgrading to a web browser that supports HTML5 video Play Video Play Current Time 0:00 Loaded: 0% Progress: 0% Duration Time 0:00 Mute * 1080p * 720p * 480p * 240p Quality480p Fullscreen This is a modal window. Caption Settings Dialog Beginning of dialog window. Escape will cancel and close the window. TextColorWhiteBlackRedGreenBlueYellowMagentaCyanTransparencyOpaqueSemi-TransparentBackgroundColorBlackWhiteRedGreenBlueYellowMagentaCyanTransparencyOpaqueSemi-TransparentTransparentWindowColorBlackWhiteRedGreenBlueYellowMagentaCyanTransparencyTransparentSemi-TransparentOpaque Font Size50%75%100%125%150%175%200%300%400% Text Edge StyleNoneRaisedDepressedUniformDropshadow Font FamilyProportional Sans-SerifMonospace Sans-SerifProportional SerifMonospace SerifCasualScriptSmall Caps DefaultsDone Fox Neo Transfer post by dariodigiulio Add to Favorites Added to Favorites Views: 3,707 Faves: 0 Comments: 0 PERFORMANCE I've been riding a Transfer Neo post since April of this year, and can report on four months of use so far. I've charged the battery one or two times, actuated the post 1,146 times (the app keeps track), and haven't really given it much thought otherwise. It goes up, it goes down, and I can't hear the zoop-zoop of the actuator when I'm actually riding my bike. In the shop however, that noise is pretty pronounced. No sag or play has developed over time, and the post still feels smooth. Fox recommends that you service the Transfer Neo every 8,000 actuations, using that metric as a replacement for the typically foggy and inaccurate hour count method. You can service the dust seal at home, but more thorough jobs will need to be carried out at a Fox service center. Per my click counter, I'm still a long ways away from that point. One of the more remarkable things about the Transfer Neo is the speed of the actuation and post return - the lightest touch of the lever brings it back to full height in a hurry. This speed is thanks in part to the wireless protocol that Fox is using to relay information between the post and the remote - one they've dubbed Neo, hence the product name. They claim Neo is approximately 100x faster than Bluetooth, and 20x faster than the "industry leading wireless protocol," which I have to assume is SRAM's AXS system. My mind hasn't reached the point where it can intuit differences in fractional milliseconds, and I'm not quite that good with a stopwatch, but suffice to say it is very fast. The lever throw is much shorter than a cable lever, but manages to mimic those ergonomics quite nicely. You can use this short throw to feather the post up and down for traversing descents or technical climbs, and keep the whole assembly tucked away under the bars so it's not in the way. There's a nice grippy rubber texture to the paddle. This collar can be re-oriented per OE specifications to fit different frame layouts, so I'd assume the same could be done during a full service. AESTHETICS Yes, the block looks weird. Apparently the main driver for this battery placement was the tire clearance at bottom-out, where some bikes can easily tear the battery out of an AXS dropper. By moving it down to the collar, you eliminate that issue, and keep the head design the same as on cable-actuated posts (less parts to stock, too). While it's a small detail, I think the oversized collar breaks up the elegance of the lines of a bike a little bit, bisecting what is otherwise a nice taper to the saddle. Call me vain, but these things matter to some. I can imagine this being one of those things we collectively get used to, especially as more designs like it proliferate the market, but only time will tell. MODES This is a simple but clever detail integrated into the Fox app, allowing you to toggle your post into two atypical models for special use cases. Bike Park mode ignores your first lever press, but actuates the post after a few quick actuations. This is nice for days spent riding the lift, when you rarely want your dropper up and *really* don't want it accidentally actuating when you're trying to nail your flattest table yet on the A Line moon booter. Transport mode replaces the analog method of pulling the battery out for long drives, where the constant motion can keep electronic components awake and drain their battery. COMPARISONS There are a few solid electronic dropper options on the market now, each with their own battery design, firmware package, and remote protocol. You won't be mixing and matching any time soon, so ultimately it's a matter of choosing one system and sticking with it. The TransX post is a standalone product, as is Magura's offering, but the RockShox Reverb AXS at least shares a battery design with the other wireless SRAM products. Fox's new battery is unique to the post for now, but it looks identical to all the RAD shock prototypes we've seen, so it feels fairly safe to assume it will fit those shocks, should they ever become available aftermarket. For weight reference, the 34.9mm diameter 170mm travel Reverb AXS post weighs about 885 grams, making the Transfer Neo a bit lighter at 805g for a 200mm travel version of the same insertion. That said, TransX's 200mm EPD01 dropper is 748 grams, and also costs a fair bit less than the Fox and RockShox options. That cost problem is the elephant in the room here, as none of the current electronic droppers pose a very strong value proposition compared to the many excellent cable-actuated posts on the market. The Reverb AXS retails for $861 USD (though sales can be found online), the Transfer Neo is $859, and even the "budget" TransX post is $500. None of them are going to make you a better rider, but the convenience and tidy cockpit might just be worth the cash, for the right person. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pros + Easy installation, clean cockpit + Very fast and light action + Great app, reliable hardware Cons - Very expensive - Noisy actuation (less so on trail) - Heavier than cable-actuated equivalent & adds another proprietary battery to your bike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pinkbike's Take The Fox Transfer Neo is the fastest and most reliable electronic dropper I've used to date, with impressively light lever action and easy user interface. The added cost and weight over a cabled system still keep me from fully embracing the concept, but for those looking to eliminate any and all cables on their bike, this could be the ticket.— Dario DiGiulio -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the high-res gallery for more images. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted In: Reviews and Tech Reviews Seatposts Fox Factory Fox Transfer Author Info: dariodigiulio Member since Dec 25, 2016 223 articles Share Tweet Add to Favorites Report Must Read This Week Spotted: New Shimano Brakes & DH Drivetrain 68450 views First Ride: Santa Cruz Bronson V5 - The Mini-Nomad 61493 views What Exactly Is "Outdated" Mountain Bike Geometry? 49362 views Pinkbike Poll: Is Your Mountain Bike Tire Choice Practical, Aspirational, or Delusional? 42618 views Review: Fox Releases New Transfer Neo Wireless Dropper Post 42150 views Opinion: Don't Get Rid of the Ports - High End MTB Frames Should Still Work With Cable Operated Drivetrains 37545 views Red Bull Announces Men's Rider Lineup for Rampage 2024 35535 views SRAM Files Patent for Wireless Seatpost With Collar-Mounted Electronics 28648 views Sign Up for the Pinkbike Newsletter - All the Biggest, Most Interesting Stories in your Inbox PB Newsletter Signup 310 Comments Score Time Who Faved * * * 394 3 Foxmulder666 (2 days ago) Fox recommends riding it without a seat so you can really get your money’s worth. [Reply] * * * 18 4 Jdricks FL (2 days ago) :LEVY: [Reply] * * * 53 3 sevensixtwo (2 days ago) There’s an update soon where you can jerk off the post to recharge it. [Reply] * * * 37 1 nickfranko (2 days ago) When you don't feel like you're getting shafted enough by the price. [Reply] * * * 17 3 EingBe FL (2 days ago) @sevensixtwo: You are amazing You are very attractive and interesting Keep going, harder, faster [Reply] * * * 6 0 robomatic (2 days ago) kashima coated for your pleasure [Reply] * * * 12 0 nicoenduro (2 days ago) @nickfranko: think about it, 859$ and 1309€ in Europe What a joke [Reply] * * * 8 0 suspended-flesh FL (2 days ago) @Jdricks: [Reply] * * * 3 0 Hairyteabags (2 days ago) @nicoenduro: yup. Just seen it here at £1,129. You can buy a small used car for that! They’ll be like hens teeth on the trails. [Reply] * * * 1 0 CSharp (12 hours ago) @Jdricks: [Reply] * * * 1 0 chucknorris99 (10 hours ago) @nicoenduro: si ma ziu dai che se funziona ben e tutt, vale quei soldi. Regà se no staremmo tutti belli tranquilli coi montaggi suntour o rockshox...e invece....sarà perchè vogliamo kashimaaaaaaaaa [Reply] * * * 176 6 dump (2 days ago) This price is completely absurd. [Reply] * * * 55 3 VtVolk (2 days ago) I am admittedly old, but I paid less than that for my first two "real" mountain bikes. Combined. [Reply] * * * 27 3 browner (2 days ago) Why Mr. Kirk - I'm as upset as you to learn of Dexter's truancy - but surely expulsion is not the answer? I'm afraid expulsion is the only answer. It is the opinion of the entire staff that Dexter is criminally insane... [Reply] * * * 27 0 Mugen FL (2 days ago) I bought a cube flying circus DJ bike, with lovely paint job for €900 delivered, then changed the bars for €40, and as I use it around town I even bought a 125mm dropper post for €110, all new. For €50 MORE I could have had this dropper instead. [Reply] * * * 42 0 AndrewFleming (2 days ago) $860 would be too much. $859 is reasonable. [Reply] * * * 2 1 PauRexs FL (2 days ago) RSP's on brands that wants to add value to the bike with their OEM kits are a joke... OEM price is the real deal. [Reply] * * * 9 0 danstonQ (2 days ago) €1100. For that price I could update my good old hardtail and almost get a titanium one and simply stick my good old KS Lev that has been flawless for so many years. Chose your priorities my friends [Reply] * * * 5 0 sofakingwetarded (2 days ago) "This price is completely absurd" Fox will sell a million of them then. [Reply] * * * 2 0 Compositepro (2 days ago) I was thinking 999 but 899 wow [Reply] * * * 2 0 nicoenduro (2 days ago) @danstonQ: it’s actually 1309 in Europe… [Reply] * * * 5 0 wilkassm FL (2 days ago) It will be 50% in December and I still won't buy it because it's too much! [Reply] * * * 11 6 enduroNZ (2 days ago) If you think it’s too expensive then you’re probably not the person they are trying to sell it to. I mean I think the price of a Porsche is absurd for something that gets you from A to B, but people still buy them [Reply] * * * 7 0 dump (2 days ago) @enduroNZ: I look forward to healthy competition in this department. This cannot be the price of moving the seat up and down… with an electronic switch. Also, this is no race car… it’s a seatpost. [Reply] * * * 3 1 mahargetan (2 days ago) @browner: That boy needs therapy [Reply] * * * 3 0 Tollef (2 days ago) @enduroNZ: A Porsche get's you faster from A to B. This is more equivalent to an expensive watch IMHO. My main issue with electronic gearing/seatposts is that it isn't faster than cable operated options. It's more convenient to install and that's about it. [Reply] * * * 2 0 Hairyteabags (2 days ago) @AndrewFleming: I could probably fly to the States buy one of these and then sell it in the UK on my return and still make money based on the stupid price that these are over here. [Reply] * * * 3 0 lonewoolfe (2 days ago) @enduroNZ: if you're going to use a car analogy then it's more like: if a cable actuated dropper post is a Corolla, a wireless dropper post is a Corolla with a battery for the price of a Porsche. [Reply] * * * 3 13 Hpbike (1 days ago) (Below Threshold) show comment Don't worry about the Price. President Harris is going to tell resellers what it can be sold for. [Reply] * * * 1 6 CSharp (12 hours ago) (Below Threshold) show comment @Hpbike: Price isn't the biggest worry after the Dem's and Harris set a course for WWIII or another market meltdown! [Reply] * * * 5 0 AndrewFleming (11 hours ago) @CSharp: "The libtards are going to make you change genders, marry your cat, eat only tofu and fart into a bag to fuel your car, and take an illegal immigrant into your home to live with you! So don't worry about the price of this dropper post." There, I saved you some time. [Reply] * * * 1 0 CSharp (10 hours ago) @AndrewFleming: I don't even need to LOL - cuz you know it's been happenin' with those DEM Libtards! [Reply] * * * 111 2 Froday (2 days ago) I take back what I said about wanting a wireless dropper. They are all ugly as hell, sacrifice too much (insertion depth, postmount/collar height), and batteries are a PITA. Oh yeah, crazy expensive too. Embrace the cables, love the cables, and buy nice frames that make cable routing easy. [Reply] * * * 25 4 cmi85 (2 days ago) It's funny because I feel like the folks that "demand" and "long for" wireless are the same people who don't even maintain their own bikes anyway. The whole wireless fad on a bike just doesn't make sense to me. It just feels like putting on a tech for the sake of putting on tech. [Reply] * * * 10 1 brodoyouevenbike (2 days ago) @cmi85: "tech for the sake of putting on tech" literally what's happening, probably a precursor to paying monthly memberships to unlock functionality. [Reply] * * * 2 1 topherdagopher FL (2 days ago) @brodoyouevenbike: wireless solutions on the bike introduce as many problems as they solve. Tech for techs sake is totally spot on as it is an XY problem except from a business standpoint where the proposed solution is not to make better components but to milk consumers in a throwaway society for profit. [Reply] * * * 3 1 thatguyzack (2 days ago) @cmi85: You might be right in the bigger picture, but I am a person who maintains my bikes and prefer wireless over cables. My maintenance life has gotten much more simple with them around. [Reply] * * * 2 1 gretch6364 (1 days ago) @brodoyouevenbike: Right?!?! Taking the wire off my telephone is just a way to sell me more stuff. I want the cord back! Stop making me use my cell phone without a cord. So frustrated. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Zach1977 (15 hours ago) @brodoyouevenbike: Oh I am sorry your subscription has run out, your post will now be locked in position until you pay us the $10.99/month. [Reply] * * * 2 0 cookiemonster615 (12 hours ago) @cmi85: It's a lot easier and faster for us mechanics to replace or install wireless components, especially on bikes without internal guides. The number of home mechanics seems to be increasing. Maybe that contributes to some of the shift towards wireless? Wireless is certainly better for XC racing where shift speed matters [Reply] * * * 96 2 hubertje-ryu (2 days ago) What do you want on your bicycle? A - more batteries B - for it to be more expensive C - more complicated maintenance D - a seatpost app [Reply] * * * 24 0 daweil (2 days ago) E - more weight [Reply] * * * 10 4 AndrewFleming (2 days ago) @daweil: F- more expensive [Reply] * * * 2 4 ninjatarian (2 days ago) *More weight [Reply] * * * 22 1 aceface17 FL (2 days ago) I literally feel like I am being pushed out of the market. All I want is a nice carbon frame that is built to last with no batteries to charge. two releases today for a wireless dropper post (wont buy) and bike that wont take mechanical XT (wont buy). I feel we have finally started to approach the point in the market where the older bikes are actually better [Reply] * * * 16 0 commental (2 days ago) G. Hopefully a monthly subscription model to keep it working. [Reply] * * * 5 0 ratedgg13 FL (2 days ago) G) All of the above [Reply] * * * 3 5 fabwizard FL (2 days ago) @aceface17: you are not being pushed out of the market if you still have a requirement for a carbon frame. Totally a first world problem. [Reply] * * * 2 0 wilkassm FL (2 days ago) How about more incompatible batteries with proprietary chargers?!? Hard pass! [Reply] * * * 1 0 KolaPanda FL (2 days ago) @ratedgg13: H) an integrated AI assistant to help choose power modes and when to brake [Reply] * * * 1 0 opignonlibre (2 days ago) @aceface17: OTOH you don't have to buy a new bike nor a new dropper post. As long as the industry keep building the wearable components (i.e. cables, housing, cassettes, chains, pads), I am fine using the old stuff. [Reply] * * * 1 0 WhateverBikes (1 days ago) @aceface17: That's why I ride nineties mtb's. Loads of fun, very cheap to buy and maintain. [Reply] * * * 73 6 rich-2000 (2 days ago) Cons: -fugly [Reply] * * * 55 5 downhiller900sl (2 days ago) Refrain from using batteries on what is a mechanical marvel called bicycle [Reply] * * * 37 3 crispycritter (2 days ago) HahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha HahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha [Reply] * * * 7 0 mtbwillems (2 days ago) Give me some of those pills please, they seem to have a good affect [Reply] * * * 1 0 Fishride (2 days ago) well done, crispycritter. and what are you going to show me next? [Reply] * * * 36 1 mcharza (2 days ago) Now I have seen everything. One thousand euro dropper post, haha [Reply] * * * 20 0 kage17 (2 days ago) but it is a golden one [Reply] * * * 1 0 TomasK (1 days ago) @kage17: at this price it better be. [Reply] * * * 30 1 Ryan2949 FL (2 days ago) It’s 2025, you order your new e-bike with eagle Axs transmission and fox neo wireless dropper. You go home and plug in your bike, derailleur battery and dropper battery all in their own chargers. I ride an e-bike, but this is getting ridiculous needing so many different batteries and chargers. It makes sense that SRAM uses the same battery for their derailleurs and seat. But fox and other brands coming out with their proprietary seat post batteries isn’t making sense. [Reply] * * * 8 0 BornOnTwo (2 days ago) Maybe one day soon we will see alternators attached to cranks on ebikes, no need to charge all the little gizmos LOL! [Reply] * * * 6 3 wyorider (2 days ago) @BornOnTwo: just take off the vestigial pedals, add pegs and you’re off to the races. [Reply] * * * 11 0 Maxwood38 (2 days ago) Been saying this for a few years, but I'll put it in writing officially now so I can pull an I-told-you-so on someone. In the future, bikes will have a centralized battery (not just e bikes) that will power all the components through either a wiring harness, or wires inlaid into the carbon matrix. Easier charging, more proprietary, worse maintenance, lighter. And we'll all be on gearboxes too. [Reply] * * * 3 0 fabwizard FL (2 days ago) @BornOnTwo: put a dynamo on front wheel like the gravel bikers and boom. Charge everything. Except your ebikes. [Reply] * * * 5 0 BornOnTwo (2 days ago) @Maxwood38: Sounds more complicate, more expensive, less reliable - it is definitely going to be the future. [Reply] * * * 2 0 KolaPanda FL (2 days ago) @BornOnTwo: idk when the last time you had an ebike pulled apart was but what he's talking about would be a lot better. The cable management and level of harness construction is so atrocious on some bikes that it would make a 6th grade science project look pro. A built in harness could have a variety of pigtailed connectors on there depending on spec just like PC power supplies have. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Struggleteam (2 days ago) I don’t ride e-bikes but at what point do they integrate the shifting and dropper post into the main battery? The draw would be nominal on the massive battery. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Ryan2949 FL (2 days ago) @Struggleteam: I think Trek already does this on some of their models. I swear I saw a cable going to an AXS rear derailleur from a Fuel EXE 9.9 [Reply] * * * 1 0 mtbwillems (2 days ago) @Ryan2949: a friend of mine had this on his Trek, nothing but problems, error codes appearing on his ebike. Until he had the Trek smartbox removed. Flawless riding after that. [Reply] * * * 1 0 montydon (2 days ago) @Struggleteam: You can get it for Bosch systems for sure. The problem is the wired adapter costs 3x the price of a sram battery, not sure how that adds up for a dummy plate with a bit of wire... [Reply] * * * 1 0 olafthemoose FL (2 days ago) Why is it such a problem to charge a battery every couple weeks? It’s not like you need to charge these after every ride (e bikes excluded). Pop it off and throw it on the charger while you are working on your bike and it’s good to go [Reply] * * * 1 0 montydon (2 days ago) @olafthemoose: It's not that big an issue, it just seems redundant to separately charge a tiny battery when there's 750wh already in the bike [Reply] * * * 1 1 fabwizard FL (2 days ago) @olafthemoose: many people don't have charging available where there bikes are stored. Think condos and apartments. Especially if in shared storage rooms. [Reply] * * * 1 0 sanchofula (1 days ago) so one battery to rule them all [Reply] * * * 1 0 Ryan2949 FL (1 days ago) @fabwizard: my bike is stored in a shed in the back yard and I have to physically bring my battery inside to charge it. My shed doesn’t have power. Not to mention the keys aren’t stored in the shed LOL. I know it’s a bit lazy, but I basically have to do the same thing with my battery powered lawn mower, weed wacker and my wife’s e-bike. So adding in more batteries I have to remove off the bike between rides is annoying. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Lasse2000 (22 hours ago) The AXS Transmission can be run by the main battery. Has a wire then instead of the battery. So only seatpost wirh its own one. On e Bikes its quite tricky to get the seatpost wire lined through the frame due to motor. [Reply] * * * 29 0 KUBBY FL (2 days ago) People are going to need locking seat clamps at that price… [Reply] * * * 9 0 blcpdx (2 days ago) excellent point. Using only a tool included with your IKEA shelf, and a trip to the brewery closest to your local trailhead, you too can have a $1k seatpost! (I wonder how many AXS posts have been bipped?? Anyone?) [Reply] * * * 1 0 airsoftesneeto FL (2 days ago) @blcpdx: really curious about this. Tamper proof bolts now gonna be on peoples seat clamps! at least im gonna get one [Reply] * * * 1 0 fabwizard FL (2 days ago) Tons of locking seat clamp options or proprietary threaded options. They have been around for a couple decades. It used to be they would steal your carbon seat or post. [Reply] * * * 1 0 danstonQ (1 days ago) Considering that "wireless shifting is susceptible to targeted jamming attacks" as mentionned in many serious articles, I could imagine such a case with electro dropper post as well... What a good time to be alive and to get a PITA [Reply] * * * 26 1 letsgethurt (2 days ago) Just last week it was uncovered that Shimano Di2 had a security vulnerability in the wireless protocol, a type of replay attack where the "shift up/down" command could be recorded by someone tuned in to the specific frequency channel and then rebroadcasted to actuate a specific bike's derailleurs. You could have for example targeted someone in the pro peloton and jam their gears. The shift command itself was encrypted, but it did not employ mitigation techniques for such an attack, like frequency hopping, having a rolling list of one-time-passwords much like in online bank, or a time component to accept the commands only within a specified time range. This made it possible for the researchers to replay the signal without having to break the encryption. Now, Fox claiming that their wireless protocol is "20x faster than industry leading" really begs the question, what corners did they cut to achieve that and who did they consult for security testing? www.usenix.org/conference/woot24/presentation/motallebighomi [Reply] * * * 6 1 freestyIAM (2 days ago) NERD! JK that was an interesting read. Thx for the link [Reply] * * * 28 0 overconfident (2 days ago) hacking someones dropper to raise it before a big drop would be a hell of a weird assasination method [Reply] * * * 1 0 palirojo FL (2 days ago) This is amazing, thanks for the article [Reply] * * * 15 2 chrisclarkwhistler1 (2 days ago) @overconfident: Does trump ride mtb's? asking for a friend. [Reply] * * * 4 1 overconfident (2 days ago) @chrisclarkwhistler1: doesn't look like it, but if he does, I'll chip in a few $100 for the post [Reply] * * * 1 0 Downeville-Hero (2 days ago) Very interesting article, at this point I am just waiting to come full circle where we have electronic shifting connected by wires from shifter to derailleur to deny shift spoofing/jamming [Reply] * * * 1 0 wilkassm FL (2 days ago) That's funny! [Reply] * * * 2 1 vtracer FL (2 days ago) @chrisclarkwhistler1: could've worked for Bush but he seems like the sort to not mind the full extension post [Reply] * * * 24 0 pauluswebster FL (2 days ago) We’re currently finalising specifications for our soon to be ubiquitous electronic control platform for bicycle components, the “Analog No-more Universal System” (ANUS). In a statement to shareholders recently our CTO/CFO announced: “now that we’re adopting pay per click for all products with “Assisted Shift Subscription” (ASS), with the upcoming launch of our “Seatless Hidden Inside Transfer” (SHIT) post, connection to your ANUS will be unlike anything you’ve ever experienced. And that’s only the beninging, soon, at a price, we’ll be offering full bicycle integration with both ANUS and ASS”. [Reply] * * * 14 0 vinay FL (2 days ago) Wireless is great for doing bar spins. Now you can do saddle spins too without getting the cable all tangled up. It may not be for you but it is good to see the option is there for those who need this. [Reply] * * * 1 0 CompostingSquirrel (2 days ago) Who’s gonna do the first saddle spin?! [Reply] * * * 10 0 vinay FL (2 days ago) @CompostingSquirrel: It's being done in offices all over the world (whilst operating the dropper function simultaneously). Now they can finally bring it to the dirt! [Reply] * * * 1 0 andrewbmxmtb FL (2 days ago) @CompostingSquirrel: m.youtube.com/watch?v=HJd58xGp2QY [Reply] * * * 1 0 LoveHawk (2 days ago) How is this not the top comment!? I have changed my opinion on the subject in support of future saddle spins because of this. [Reply] * * * 13 0 Lwerewolf (2 days ago) I wonder when the "everything needs a battery" bubble will blow up. I can probably make up a ton of jokes referencing/alluding to battery fires, but I haven't heard a whole lot of love for the "you gotta keep tabs on 10 batteries on your bike now - and oh btw your controls are hackable/jammable, likely by accident too" trend. Like, dunno, no? Yeah, no. [Reply] * * * 7 13 warmerdamj FL (2 days ago) (Below Threshold) show comment I wonder when the "everybody bitches about batteries" trend will blow up. Go ride your cable drivetrain and cable dropper. You'll be ok, nobody is hacking a dropper post anyway. [Reply] * * * 3 1 Connerv6 (2 days ago) @warmerdamj: now I wanna do it just to show I can. *Grabbers a Flipper and a Yagi* [Reply] * * * 1 1 Lousicle FL (2 days ago) Once faulty batteries start to explode between your legs. Then things will change. [Reply] * * * 7 0 warmerdamj FL (2 days ago) @Lousicle: ebikes, vapes and cell phone batteries already do this and it has had zero impact on the popularity of the devices. Never heard of an AXS or di2 system exploding aside from in popularity. [Reply] * * * 14 2 stormracing (2 days ago) I’m excited for the BikeYoke wireless to drop! Heard it’ll have 200 plus options and dig that the battery is hidden. Cleaner look than the Fox or Rockshock IMO and worth it for only have to take it out to charge every so often. That said, cool features on the fox one! [Reply] * * * 3 0 briain (2 days ago) Well whenever it appears. It's probably going to to be good value compared mpared to fox and rockshox [Reply] * * * 9 0 Chondog94 FL (2 days ago) If it works as well as my cable actuated BikeYoke then I'm in! Wait a second... [Reply] * * * 2 0 stormracing (2 days ago) @briain: I hope so! And I got word direct from them to expect it this year [Reply] * * * 1 0 olafthemoose FL (2 days ago) @briain: considering the revive is just as expensive as the cable actuated versions I doubt it. But it’s a better product. Not mad at a premium price for a stellar product made by a smaller company [Reply] * * * 15 1 watchmen (2 days ago) 200g and 3x more expensive than a One-Up...........saves 1 cable.......TaKe mY MOnEy. [Reply] * * * 1 0 montydon (2 days ago) Don't forget wireless means you can easily swap it between your bikes to save money! Or just buy 12 aftermarket remotes to leave in each frame or 3 complete droppers with the money you'd have left over. [Reply] * * * 10 0 drpheta (2 days ago) This post costs more than most hardtail frames. It costs half of some aluminum FS frames. Let that sink in. Fox has lost its damned mind. I get companies needing to recoup their R&D costs, but I feel like wireless droppers are a very low return market segment. Should've just kept that R&D budget with continuing to improve their other bike components. [Reply] * * * 10 0 enki (2 days ago) This whole wireless trend is an amazing scam by the component companies. It simplifies part of the assembly process, and removes a couple of more common installation mistakes (derailleur calibration, cable housing pinches/corners), while passing the costs down to the consumers who are dazzled by the "new shiny". Bike manufacturers must love the increased revenue and reduced build/warranty hassles. Win-Win. Even better, the bike manufacturers simultaneously design in headset routing for the brake lines, which makes everything MORE failure prone and harder to install, negating their cost savings from the wireless crap. That said, I'm an old curmudgeon that's slowly swapping to link-glide and keeping cable actuated everything. Screw your fancy wireless crap, I'm not racing, I just don't wanna have to walk out of the woods ever again. [Reply] * * * 12 3 603roost (2 days ago) I'd consider offering only Kashima as a con. I have no issue with Kashima (have 2 forks that are Kashima coated) but as an aftermarket product, there will no doubt be potential customers who don't want Kashima on their build. I'm presently building up a Druid that I would not want Kashima on. [Reply] * * * 2 0 Snowytrail (2 days ago) Performance version sans Kashima is likely 6 months out IMO. [Reply] * * * 1 0 603roost (2 days ago) @Snowytrail: I figure it will come eventually. [Reply] * * * 1 0 commental (2 days ago) @603roost: Apparently performance elite is soon to be out there, but OE for now. [Reply] * * * 14 7 DoubleCrownAddict (2 days ago) Having to recharge it every 30 hours isn't a con? The article doesn't introduce the app, it just starts with "the app keeps track". Is the app required? That would be another con for me. The price isn't a con? Normalizing a $1000 seatpost purchase?? [Reply] * * * 2 14 alexsin (2 days ago) (Below Threshold) show comment You're complaining about having to recharge it every 10 rides? [Reply] * * * 13 0 chrismac70 FL (2 days ago) Why would you want an app for a seat post. All it has to do is go up and down when you press the button. [Reply] * * * 12 0 icanreachit (2 days ago) @chrismac70: There's an app for that. [Reply] * * * 4 3 somebody-else FL (2 days ago) @chrismac70: pretty slick way to track maintenance in a meaningful way. Tracking by time is relatively useless if it’s super wet, dusty, or if your climbing is all smoother fire road or even paved. Never in a million years would I buy it though, or the AXS one either. [Reply] * * * 12 2 howejohn (2 days ago) @somebody-else: You maintain your dropper? [Reply] * * * 2 0 somebody-else FL (2 days ago) @howejohn: yup. Riding in the wet with gritty soil, things go bad quickly. Lower fork leg services too. Shock air cans even. It’s all pretty easy and saves a lot of money and time from taking it to a shop. I’m also the guy that waits until a YT is on clearance. [Reply] * * * 2 0 howejohn (2 days ago) @somebody-else: more power to you. I do all my suspension but I looked up the full rebuild procedure of my transfer and noped. Run that till it dies, maybe put some slickolium under the seal. [Reply] * * * 1 0 somebody-else FL (2 days ago) @howejohn: yeah I wouldn’t touch that one either lol [Reply] * * * 1 0 olafthemoose FL (2 days ago) @howejohn: same thing with this one though, and it has a longer recommended service interval. I bet Dario rides more than 90-95% of commenters here and is on track to hit 4 years before Fox recommends service [Reply] * * * 10 0 collinmcballin (2 days ago) looks like its on probation [Reply] * * * 8 1 zdus13 (2 days ago) Damn, Fox, at least take me out to dinner first. If this thing is as reliable as my mechanical Transfer, I am so sorry for the sad saps that get scammed into getting this lmao. [Reply] * * * 3 1 bmoneyak (2 days ago) I gave up on them. Transfer was awesome for about 1 week then kaput. [Reply] * * * 1 0 sanchofula (1 days ago) or offer a reach around with every purchase.. [Reply] * * * 6 0 farkinoath FL (2 days ago) 'Bike Park Mode' is surely the greatest solution in search of a problem I can recall seeing. Who here has ever had an 'accidental seatpost activation'? If you have, do you ride 'covering' your dropper lever like it's a brake? How and when does this happen to people? [Reply] * * * 1 0 nicoenduro (2 days ago) They had to add something to try justifying the price [Reply] * * * 1 0 Lasse2000 (22 hours ago) It happens when you roll your hand for table tops and when you put your hands back on the bar after a suicide no hander. Activation is so easy compared to cable actuation. [Reply] * * * 8 1 andychapman1 (2 days ago) Why is the remote bigger and uglier than a normal dropper remote. There is no reason for it to be that big and cheap looking. [Reply] * * * 5 0 Endo79 (2 days ago) I love wireless droppers. Been on one over two years. But....why on earth would you pay so much premium over an sram wireless dropper? You can pick them up for 600gbp or even less sometimes. Thats nearly half the price of this fox one, joke really [Reply] * * * 6 0 grizor (2 days ago) maybe they're pricing it for the inevitable 35% discount in 3 months [Reply] * * * 1 0 pisgahgnar FL (2 days ago) If you really want wireless, and really want more than 170mm, there is not much choice. I have an AXS dropper, would prefer a longer post, but not at this price. [Reply] * * * 5 0 Fran1997 (2 days ago) In my opinion, the high price is pure strategy. They already know that the OEM market is their target. They’ll probably keep the aftermarket price very high, so when we see it as standard on some top-of-the-line bikes, the perceived value of the setup will be even higher, and we’ll be willing to spend 10-11k because, by adding up the value of the individual components, it will seem like we’re saving a ton of money... Then, on the "savvier" e-commerce sites, we’ll find it discounted by 300-400$, because somehow they'll manage to get their hands on supplies intended for the OEM market (a market with significantly lower purchase prices compared to those for retail stores). Meanwhile, both here and on other online sites, it has sparked more comments than any other recent innovation (whether people talk positively or negatively about it, the important thing is that they’re talking about it). [Reply] * * * 8 1 chaoscacca (2 days ago) Come on Sacki give us some hint about the Bike Yoke wireless dropper, I'll wait if it's not far off. [Reply] * * * 8 1 trellis-opportunity-red (2 days ago) I guess charging 1100 euros solves the problem of Fox's mechanical posts being cheaper to replace than to service. [Reply] * * * 7 4 xavery23 FL (2 days ago) if any component makes sense as being wireless its a dropper...easy swap between bikes. Weight penalty sucks, and wouldnt buy one for the current prices. the look doesn't bother me. Hopefully prices come down in the next few years. anything over $500 is absurd [Reply] * * * 5 0 fred-frod (2 days ago) Why the hell would you swap droppers between multiple bikes. You can just get 3 normal droppers for that price and never have to switch. [Reply] * * * 8 0 VtVolk (2 days ago) Show of hands of anyone (other than PB tech editors) that actually regularly swaps a wireless dropper between two or more bikes? This "benefit" of $850 e-posts is complete marketing BS when you could buy 3-5 perfectly good, lighter, more reliable, cable-actuated posts for the same price. [Reply] * * * 2 0 g33kle FL (2 days ago) @VtVolk: I'm that oddball I suppose. Have an older transfer and a oneup v2 that could technically be installed. I just like the feel of my Reverb AXS better, and would rather swap it from bike to bike than use either mechanical dropper. Probably helps the reverb was a little over $500 shipped this past winter to push me into trying it out in the first place. [Reply] * * * 7 0 JonnyNorthmore FL (2 days ago) At that price they can GTFOH [Reply] * * * 8 1 bubbrubb (2 days ago) Fox answers to shareholders, not riders. [Reply] * * * 7 0 Kamba6 FL (2 days ago) MTB, making cocaine addiction seem affordable since 2020 [Reply] * * * 3 0 Alexh1983 FL (2 days ago) Not counting the crazy price it's clear that electronic introduce only a lot of faff with Travel Mode and Downhill Mode, things that simply not exist with a simple and effective cable. I can't see any pro on this dropper and also you can't fully service it at home, while with my one up it's a child trick!! [Reply] * * * 6 2 dododuzzi (2 days ago) Another ultra-expensive nonsensical non-serviceable object that does not make sense even on a motored-bicycle. More batteries to carry and charge? [Reply] * * * 2 1 briain (2 days ago) I doubt it's any harder to service then a normal transfer post. Wireless dropper literally just have Bluetooth and a motor to actuated them [Reply] * * * 2 0 wyorider (2 days ago) This is a neat (albeit expensive) product. What won’t be neat is when companies get rid of dropper cable routing to save a few bucks on manufacturing and force consumers into a product they might not want. See today’s Nomad review…. [Reply] * * * 2 0 Someoldfart (2 days ago) I wonder if what feels like quicker actuation is just because one is used to pushing a cable lever a bit further. It’s different and you adapt pretty quickly to whatever you’re using. That price is ridiculous. I have a Oneup dropper in each of my bikes that cost me almost less than half that of this post. I get that people dislike cables but that’s mainly for aesthetic reasons. [Reply] * * * 3 1 KJP1230 (2 days ago) I cannot wait until these companies recoup their R&D expense and prices come back down to some sense of normalcy. Let's not pretend that adding a bluetooth connection, small battery and motor activator adds $500-600 to seat posts or derailleurs. I fear that the electronic component price increase is simply a long-term ploy to acclimate customers to paying substantially more for components. Meanwhile, I am riding an Xfusion Manic that came with my frame. I am on my 5th season of riding it and it has not required even one moment of attention and still works as well as the day I built the bike. [Reply] * * * 4 1 Exp (2 days ago) Clearly weight wasnt a thought. 805g and $860. Or I can get a oneup at half the weight and cost lol. We just need oneup to get in the suspension game so we can stop using fox's bad products sooner than later. [Reply] * * * 2 0 VegemiteSandwich (2 days ago) i feel like every dropper manufacturer is completely missing what an electric dropper could be capable of. surely if it works on battery’s u could make a way to activate the dropper without needing to sit on it. that would actually be a performance benefit instead of these half assed attempts to cash in [Reply] * * * 1 0 stormracing (2 days ago) That’s on the way from Bontrager It goes down via button and no weight on it [Reply] * * * 1 0 olafthemoose FL (2 days ago) They still run on a gas charge to actuate it. It would be great, but there’s not really a feasible way to do it other than to have a secondary air chamber that you inflate before every ride like that bmc post. I’m guessing the bontrager will work the same way [Reply] * * * 2 0 Sn0rk FL (2 days ago) I'm in the minority in that I don't mind batteries on my bike, dropper especially, the pain of routing dropper cables is something I would gladly do without ever again. That said, all wireless posts are stupid expensive and this one is ugly as fuck. [Reply] * * * 3 1 tedbarbeau (2 days ago) Not an industry plant but I don't understand the reflexive hate aside from the ultra high price tag. While I won't be buying this particular unit, adding an AXS dropper was one of the single best upgrades I've made to my mountain bike in years. Like tubed tires, I can't imagine going back to a cable-actuated dropper. We have punchy ups and downs in New England—which leads to a tremendous number of seat post drops over the course of even the shortest of rides. Maybe I've gone soft in my 40s, and maybe my acoustic droppers had too long of a lever throw, but I find the ease and consistency of an electronic actuation to be a meaningful performance improvement. And lest you think that I'm a technophile, my AXS post sits atop a sometimes-rigid single speed. [Reply] * * * 2 0 me-at (1 days ago) Add to this that many folks are missing that current AXS posts don't ship with a lever - so total package costs are very comparable. [Reply] * * * 4 0 SunsPSD (2 days ago) I just don't get these. Not picking on the Fox, I don't get any of the wireless droppers. [Reply] * * * 6 0 norcalbike (2 days ago) Perfect for a slopeduro bike. That’s legit the only use case I can think of. [Reply] * * * 1 3 Chondog94 FL (2 days ago) Pretty convenient on ebikes where you would otherwise have to drop the motor to install the post or replace the cable/housing [Reply] * * * 3 0 norcalbike (2 days ago) @Chondog94: isn’t that essentially a one time job? [Reply] * * * 1 0 Chondog94 FL (2 days ago) @norcalbike: Hopefully! Just a minor point of convenience in favor of going wireless. I don't think it tips the scale at this price point, but it's something haha. I recently bought an eeb and had to do some assembly, was bummed to have to drop the motor to get the dropper going. [Reply] * * * 1 1 bmoneyak (2 days ago) I was where you are, but I've had the occasional dropper problem from cable issues. Eliminating that sounds attractive if the bike already has other batteries on it. [Reply] * * * 4 1 trailpooch (2 days ago) Currently you can buy the Crank Brothers dropper on Bike24 for €148, so you can buy roughly (very) 8.7 Crank brothers posts for the price of one of these... at €1300... [Reply] * * * 3 2 derryair (2 days ago) Wow more fox stuff that’ll come faulty new, over the last year I have had 4 brand new faulty products from fox, fox 40 with broken from the factory high speed compression adjustment(snapped off internally), faulty x2 factory shock (got replaced with 24 version), faulty factory dropper post brand new (replaced with new but sold straight away ) And last of all fox 38 factory with no oil in the forks. I have given up on the brand now….. [Reply] * * * 2 0 Snowytrail (2 days ago) Their stock peaked in Nov '21 at $190 (peak if the bike demand / shortage) and is now down to $41. Likely trying to cut costs / raise prices to keep earnings up. [Reply] * * * 3 0 SlashIE FL (2 days ago) I don’t need another wireless dropper. I need someone to challenge the shortest insertion that is currently owned by Oneup. [Reply] * * * 2 0 rojo-1 (2 days ago) Agreed. Why even bother launching a product if you can't beat OneUp overall length for a given drop. [Reply] * * * 1 0 rusty904 (2 days ago) Don't really get whey the remote needs to be so bulky just to accommodate one button and a 2032 battery. Look how small sram AXS blip buttons are, you'd think they could make a wireless dropper remote close to the same size as a conventional one. [Reply] * * * 1 0 blueH2Oj FL (2 days ago) How is this going to compete with current wireless offerings? I thought the point was to wait until it was done then then set the price then undercut them once the technology becomes less expensive and more available? I never imagined taking something that already exists changing it a little then charging way more would work. But I don’t run a successful business either. [Reply] * * * 1 0 NRZ (2 days ago) I know it's not possible. But it would have been cool if Sram shared the battery with Fox. Having the ability to swap it from drivetrain to seatpost is appealing and elimates having yet another charger laying around. It's a problem I'll likely never have, but would have been cool anyways. [Reply] * * * 1 0 bmied31 FL (2 days ago) Maybe if the seat post is slammed it look okay, but otherwise man...this is so ugly for almost no advantage. I love my AXS post, but I wouldn't mess this unless I really insisted on wireless and needed to match my stanchions. [Reply] * * * 2 0 kevin267 (2 days ago) I love the idea of the bike park mode. It's a huge problem on the rockshox axs post, I would accidentally tap it on jumps and then have to land with my seat up, not fun. I would sometimes take out the battery for park days. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Craigmtb5 (2 days ago) I have have a wireless rear mech and I must admit they are excellent. However can’t get my head round why you would want a wireless dropper and particularly at that price . Currently run a one up dropper with a hope trigger [Reply] * * * 1 0 JulesBri (2 days ago) I don’t see the difference from buying a bike with a battery operated motor to get up a hill and ride a little farther that day. Bikes have been evolving forever, everyone wants a cool enduro bike over an old 26’er with narrow bars or old CCM from Canadian tire. [Reply] * * * 1 0 maglor FL (18 hours ago) The math isn't mathing, proof it's overpriced milking of consumers is you can buy a GX AXS derailleur and shifter for under £500 which has all the wireless bits, battery and motor, a normal dropper is £2-300, thats all the parts needed plus a whole deraileur for less than this dropper. [Reply] * * * 1 0 jwelch33 FL (12 hours ago) The most foolish marketing and pricing I have ever seen given the history with Fox dropper products. Drop price a few hundred below Rockshox, even if it bits into profits. Rebuild a positive reputation for the product and the brand and overall sales increase. [Reply] * * * 4 0 TStruckMTB (2 days ago) Not even Trinity thinks this is handsome. [Reply] * * * 4 0 norcalbike (2 days ago) Bike Yoke. Please save us. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Mugen FL (2 days ago) Someone in the fox marketing team read a few articles about how "the dropper post is the best invention in MTB of the last 20 years", and their thought was "then surely they'll pay all the money for it!!!" [Reply] * * * 3 0 Bro-LanDog (2 days ago) Wow! It's like my wired dropper except shorter and 4x the cost and needs to be charged! [Reply] * * * 4 0 netposer (2 days ago) How many dongles, adapters and different chargers for a single bike? [Reply] * * * 2 0 KGR (2 days ago) The fact that they felt the need to implement a "Bike Park" mode makes me suspect unintended actuation was a problem during the development cycle. [Reply] * * * 4 0 Andypanda82 FL (2 days ago) Fox Factory House Arrest Edition [Reply] * * * 5 0 Glendiablo666 FL (2 days ago) €1100!! Get f*cked!! [Reply] * * * 2 0 DKlassen8 (2 days ago) Cables? The horror. Once they have finally eliminated those pesky brake lines I will finally be able to ride my bike with peace of mind. [Reply] * * * 1 0 mtb-daniel (2 days ago) It for sure is time they finally switch to a monthly renting fee for all this electronic crap - with micro payments for each usage on top of course! I am sure this is where all this connectivity will lead to! [Reply] * * * 3 0 kedde76 (2 days ago) but does it come in black? [Reply] * * * 6 0 dariodigiulio FL Editor (2 days ago) Performance Elite is OE-only for now. [Reply] * * * 4 1 bproelofs (2 days ago) I stopped reading at $860 [Reply] * * * 1 0 bigwheels87 (2 days ago) Can someone confirm if these wireless droppers drop the post without weight assist? does the remote throw pull the post down on its own? [Reply] * * * 3 0 Zak-B FL (2 days ago) They do not. [Reply] * * * 1 0 nerdymtbiker FL (2 days ago) Actually, that would be a real invention that would benefit XC racers.. there is a solution from BMC but I think it is far from ideal.. Not this electronic nonsense.. But I am not surprised. There was a Pinkbike Podcast with Yannick (Nino Shurter's mechanic) some time ago, he said that the new generation of riders have a problem with mechanical stuff, they don't really understand how it works, they shift under load etc., so electronic stuff is targeted mainly for those people. [Reply] * * * 1 0 bigwheels87 (1 days ago) @Zak-B: Makes sense, I guess it would require some sort of motor or bleeder valve that suffeciently sucked down the post. Not a fan of overcomplicating things, but I feel that would make wireless actually worth it, beyond not dealing with cable wear/etc. [Reply] * * * 3 0 Cyberhatter (2 days ago) $850 for a seatpost. GTFO. And no non KAshima option. [Reply] * * * 6 2 Dogl0rd FL (2 days ago) Buck Fatteries [Reply] * * * 4 1 Ride-VT (2 days ago) Is there a tickle-your-taint mode on the app as well? [Reply] * * * 2 3 theboypanda FL (2 days ago) Wireless dropper are expensive yes. But if you switch them between bikes that cost becomes more reasonable the more bikes own! So why don't they make the triggers on the bars quick release? I can buy a clamp for each bike and be riding the bike I want to ride in seconds hassle free. Or am I not seeing a problem here? ( Upfront cost not being one of them) [Reply] * * * 2 0 WillW123 (2 days ago) you'd better buy a 30.9 just incase your next bike has that. [Reply] * * * 3 0 theboypanda FL (2 days ago) @WillW123: that would be the plan. Let the shims do the rest... almost future proof until SRAM release the square seat tube standard! ...I've said too much already! [Reply] * * * 1 1 Endo79 (2 days ago) True, but this is nearly double what you can get a sram axs dropper for [Reply] * * * 3 0 nnowak (2 days ago) Not that simple. Besides the issue of different seatpost diameters, saddle position on said seatpost also varies from bike to bike. Even seatpost insertion is going to vary between bikes and you would need to mark the seatpost somehow to get it in the right spot for each bike. Much simpler to just buy multiple analog posts for the same money and not swap anything. [Reply] * * * 1 0 me-at (1 days ago) Using Matchmaker you can move the lever with just a quick 4mm Allen key job and this is sorted, so it’s pretty close to a quick release, but tidy and more secure. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Ryawesomerpm (2 days ago) Bike industry is great at bringing out new products nobody wants or can afford. PROs: Kashima. CONs: expensive, ugly, more batteries [Reply] * * * 2 0 Tigergoosebumps (2 days ago) Rather get a one up and donate some cash or buy toys for the local animal shelter and Children’s hospital. [Reply] * * * 1 0 pwkblue FL (2 days ago) but will it be reliable? first gen transfer dropper was bulletproof....the latest gen might be the worst dropper I've ever owned. [Reply] * * * 1 0 cueTIP (2 days ago) Know what looks almost as clean, works better and doesn't require a battery? A normal dropper post. I've used AXS droppers and there is no advantage. At all. [Reply] * * * 3 0 thelateststandard (2 days ago) It looks like a dropper post with an ankle monitor on it. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Dougal-SC (2 days ago) What is the lifetime for anything reliant on a cellphone app? 5 years? Remember all those cars with iphone integration that no longer works? [Reply] * * * 5 2 slowandcontrolled (2 days ago) ugly as fuk [Reply] * * * 7 5 Rlvinas FL (2 days ago) Never understood the benefits (if any) of a wireless dropper. [Reply] * * * 3 0 wellbastardfast FL (2 days ago) I have a KS one and I agree with you lol its shits itself all the time [Reply] * * * 11 0 watchmen (2 days ago) Will be linked to the RAD automatic suspension system so it will drop your seat automatically. And will interface with the Shimano auto shift so it will change gear automatically. Whilst using the EP motor to pedal automatically. Pademelon are working on a powered version of the steering damper that is gps enabled so it can steer automatically. Meaning that when you go for a ride you can use your Apple Vision Pro headset to work remotely using your leisure hours to increase your productivity therefore maximising your companies shareholder value. [Reply] * * * 4 0 mobilechernobyl (2 days ago) @watchmen: You just leaked the PE Bro's Masterplan.pptx solution slide [Reply] * * * 1 0 howejohn (2 days ago) You can pay a lot of money and charge batteries to not have floppy cables on your handlebar. 850 dollars well spent. [Reply] * * * 3 0 idecic (2 days ago) Sweet baby Jesus [Reply] * * * 1 0 airplanedude (2 days ago) Oh yea, I know a guy named Jesus! [Reply] * * * 3 1 Davebob FL (2 days ago) So expensive that it comes with a permenant security tag on it [Reply] * * * 2 0 Mattcon20 (2 days ago) What SC bike is that? Bakkboy ha ha? [Reply] * * * 1 0 getup2getdown (2 days ago) New tallboy? [Reply] * * * 3 0 therealmrbo FL (2 days ago) 1100€ GTFO!!! [Reply] * * * 4 0 TheRedBaron82 FL (2 days ago) 1100 is the price without VAT. Fox Germany lists these droppers for € 1300. Absurd price. [Reply] * * * 1 1 therealmrbo FL (2 days ago) @TheRedBaron82: WTF???!! [Reply] * * * 1 0 wolftwenty1 FL (2 days ago) Would be cool if it worked with a T-type lever...but yikes...this just seems like a step backward. [Reply] * * * 5 5 JoshCB FL (2 days ago) I still don't see how people moan about something they'd have to charge once a month maybe, while they type on their phone that has to be charged every night. [Reply] * * * 7 0 CobyCobie (2 days ago) Because I am dumb and will forget. Also it's at irregular intervals. [Reply] * * * 15 0 jefe FL (2 days ago) It's the absolute lack of any new novel function nor performance advantage over current cable options. People don't complain about charging things that have some actual use. [Reply] * * * 1 1 shorttravelmagazine (2 days ago) @CobyCobie: Then make it regular intervals. Easy. I throw the Garmin on the charger, and throw my axs battery on the charger. Very, very regular patterns. [Reply] * * * 3 0 CobyCobie (2 days ago) @shorttravelmagazine: Or I could just do what I have always done and run a cable actuated dropper. I think I have replaced 1 dropper cable due to issues in the last 8 years, and it was because I got water in the housing. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Chonky13 (2 days ago) Does anyone make a dropper that automatically drops too? This would be an innovation. [Reply] * * * 1 0 briain (2 days ago) Dt swiss [Reply] * * * 2 0 plustiresaintdead FL (2 days ago) @briain: and BMC [Reply] * * * 3 0 daniilx0 (2 days ago) 1100 euro is insane [Reply] * * * 3 0 rpet (2 days ago) Nearly 2 lbs! [Reply] * * * 2 0 BermJunky (2 days ago) Bahahahaha $1150 CAD for a dropper. [Reply] * * * 1 0 ShowMe357 (2 days ago) absurd , for the price of a really nice single crown fork you can have a seat post. [Reply] * * * 3 1 2004hyuandielantra FL (2 days ago) I could literally buy TWO 2023 38s for less than this. what a joke. [Reply] * * * 2 0 ThatEbikeGuy (2 days ago) Remind me whats the issue with cables again please? [Reply] * * * 1 0 yanil38 (2 days ago) Yeah I really want to think about putting my dropper in transport mode before loading the bike in my car [Reply] * * * 2 0 Flavaine (2 days ago) I'll keep this simple, get f****d. [Reply] * * * 2 0 Lousicle FL (2 days ago) I could have 4 one up droppers for this [Reply] * * * 1 0 kazwei FL (2 days ago) wireless droppers are for people who are just too lazy to route the cable and don't mind paying double the price [Reply] * * * 2 0 watchtower (2 days ago) I'm lichen the fence more than the post. [Reply] * * * 1 0 nick-smitty2 FL (2 days ago) My prediction is that in the next few years we will see fully integrated electronic droppers in bikes. [Reply] * * * 1 0 TucsonDon (2 days ago) Saw the price and just scrolled down to the comments. No use reading the review. I'm not gonna buy it. [Reply] * * * 1 0 spacedoutboy (2 days ago) If the next generation Di2 used the same battery I might consider getting this. [Reply] * * * 1 0 in2falling (2 days ago) Trans-X Kitsuma Air on Amazon = $99 Retail = $185 Weight: 535g – 30.9mm/150mm travel, 555g [Reply] * * * 1 0 polarflux (2 days ago) Fox is asking $600 for basically 60 year old garage door remote opener technology. No thanks. [Reply] * * * 1 0 stephenzkie (2 days ago) Never thought I'd ever say this but this makes the €500 reverb axs look like an awesome deal [Reply] * * * 1 0 tomjanas FL (2 days ago) thanks FOX for helping specialized & co to reach the 20.000 USD price tag, soon...very loyal :-) [Reply] * * * 1 0 headshot FL (2 days ago) Local to SA brand Lyne Components has an electronic dropper for around $400. Fox and RS are smoking something. [Reply] * * * 1 0 dorkbike (2 days ago) Ummm.....Price check on aisle 3, please. Price check on aisle 3. Thank you. When a product is priced out of being great. [Reply] * * * 2 0 laksboy (2 days ago) @dariodigiulio Nice composition on that last fence photo. [Reply] * * * 1 0 GumptionZA FL (2 days ago) how is it more Euros than Dollars? [Reply] * * * 1 2 mashrv1 FL (2 days ago) Dollars is often quoted +tax [Reply] * * * 1 2 Baderfrank FL (2 days ago) this calculation is giving me a hard time as well. I would love to put one into my Truth but 1100 bucks plus the weight gain of 600+ grams over my carbon post ... Nope. [Reply] * * * 2 0 dougfs FL (2 days ago) @mashrv1: Different states have different rates of tax. US prices are almost always quoted without tax. [Reply] * * * 2 0 supercollider0 (2 days ago) And the 1100€ seem also to be without tax. In a german publication the Price is 1309,- € ! [Reply] * * * 1 0 mashrv1 FL (2 days ago) @dougfs: that’s what I meant “price quoted + tax” not including [Reply] * * * 1 0 Baderfrank FL (2 days ago) @supercollider0: in the german Fox Shop they list it at 1300€. [Reply] * * * 2 1 chrismac70 FL (2 days ago) Why would you buy this one rather than the other ones on the market [Reply] * * * 2 0 fabsmf FL (2 days ago) 1100 euro, excuse me [Reply] * * * 1 0 danielfloyd FL (2 days ago) Up next: Bikes with no dropper routing [Reply] * * * 1 0 Vudu74 FL (2 days ago) Happy to know that the biggest air I get can get it out of Transport Mode! [Reply] * * * 2 1 Booster73 FL (2 days ago) Sorry but for me is the same as AXS: useless. [Reply] * * * 1 0 stephenzkie (2 days ago) Somehow they made the axs look like a great value which is insane [Reply] * * * 1 0 jray152 (2 days ago) what bike ya riding there Dario [Reply] * * * 1 0 ethanrevitch FL (2 days ago) 200mm drop is welcome here. [Reply] * * * 2 0 thetonester (2 days ago) Soooo ugly [Reply] * * * 1 0 a-double (2 days ago) You need bird spikes for that thing. [Reply] * * * 1 0 sir-hc (2 days ago) Does the kashima match the rest of the products ? [Reply] * * * 6 0 farkinoath FL (2 days ago) I can assure you sir, that it matches one of your stanchions, but not the other. [Reply] * * * 1 0 grizor (2 days ago) @farkinoath: it's a feature [Reply] * * * 1 0 GumptionZA FL (2 days ago) i think the idea is that if you have enough kashima some of it is bound to probably match [Reply] * * * 1 0 stephenzkie (2 days ago) @GumptionZA: fox x2 left the chat [Reply] * * * 1 0 RohitSengupta FL (2 days ago) Yea i'ma stick to my 2021 factory dropper for now... [Reply] * * * 1 0 way2manyhobbies2keep FL (2 days ago) which saddle is in the top picture? [Reply] * * * 1 0 MegaMatt5000 (2 days ago) Specialized Power Mirror Pro [Reply] * * * 1 0 way2manyhobbies2keep FL (2 days ago) @MegaMatt5000: thanks, very gucci [Reply] * * * 1 0 bok-CZ FL (2 days ago) Rails to collar distance? [Reply] * * * 1 0 handcranked (2 days ago) The collar on the post looks like an ankle monitor [Reply] * * * 2 0 joni0001984 (2 days ago) It was inevitable. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Dogl0rd FL (2 days ago) I feel like the people working on this project knew the whole time the futility of their efforts [Reply] * * * 2 0 joni0001984 (2 days ago) @Dogl0rd: i have to admit, I hate routing cables, and they often get weird stiction, get caught on stuff and jumps out of the dropper actuator, and then rub against stuff they shouldn’t be rubbing against (my Fox 40). But I am not paying $1100 to make my bike heavier with a too short dropper. I use 240mm Oneup V3 now. [Reply] * * * 1 0 IMeasureStuff FL (2 days ago) You can have it in any color you want as long as it's gold. [Reply] * * * 1 0 etbikezcom (2 days ago) Fox, you're drunk, go home. [Reply] * * * 1 1 Maxcowley (2 days ago) SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [Reply] * * * 1 0 MattieCoate (2 days ago) Looks like its wearing an ankle monitor [Reply] * * * 1 0 mrfallover (2 days ago) I hate you and I hate everything. [Reply] * * * 1 0 Colos0509 (2 days ago) Does it servive 3 extension, or will it blow a seal? [Reply] * * * 1 0 Mtbkun FL (2 days ago) I'll wait for V4 in the future [Reply] * * * 1 1 PascalFunk (2 days ago) DVO Garnet : Reliable, rare, solid to go with my DVO suspensions. I am the king of the city ! [Reply] * * * 1 0 Almazing (1 days ago) $859 for a dropper post is diabolical. [Reply] * * * 1 0 FredFreeRideGang (1 days ago) But... cable turists want it [Reply] * * * 1 0 oscarav098 (14 hours ago) Fox didn’t get the memo on bike and bike parts prices apparently. [Reply] * * * 1 0 mcleodpulaski FL (2 days ago) Miiiight flop. [Reply] * * * 1 1 hughbm (2 days ago) Make it stop. SMH-ing my head. [Reply] * * * 1 0 RadBartTaylor (2 days ago) "Shaking my head"-ing....has kind of a nice ring to it.... [Reply] * * * 1 0 yetti FL (2 days ago) Nah….. not for me [Reply] * * * 1 1 Mattcon20 (2 days ago) Also in Fox's Matt Hunter vid, he's clearly on an alloy Spesh SJ 15 [Reply] * * * 1 1 Swingset (2 days ago) I like my bikes electric and everything else mechanical [Reply] * * * 1 0 spatters (2 days ago) Untethered from reality [Reply] * * * 1 0 bikemax55 (2 days ago) Nope [Reply] * * * 1 3 MinTheMerciless (2 days ago) is this review the prototype version? the finishing on this product is awful. the battery housing looks 3D printed. [Reply] * * * 1 3 BoneDog (2 days ago) acoustic version is available on clearance right now for like 1/8th the price. this is a joke [Reply] * * * 3 0 commental (2 days ago) Aww jesus, are we calling components with cables acoustic now too? [Reply] Below threshold threads are hidden * * * 2 8 thomasjkenney1024 (2 days ago) Researchers hack electronic shifters... (Ars Technica article): arstechnica.com/security/2024/08/researchers-hack-electronic-shifters-with-a-few-hundred-dollars-of-hardware I warned months ago on this very site this was a possibility. Downvoted to the dustbin, I was. Who laughs now, eh? [Reply] * * * 1 8 xcjoe (2 days ago) I approve. Clean look and kashima [Reply] Post a Comment Login or Sign Up * About Us Contacts FAQ Terms of Use Privacy Policy Sign Up! Sitemap * Advertise Advertising * Cool Features Submit a Story Product Photos Videos Privacy Request Manage Cookie Preferences * RSS Pinkbike RSS Pinkbike Twitter Pinkbike Facebook Pinkbike Youtube Pinkbike Instagram Newsletter Signup Copyright © 2000 - 2024. Pinkbike.com. All rights reserved. dv65 0.080691 Mobile Version of Website Otomatik - 198.90.5.100 CloudFlare DNS Türk Telekom DNS Google DNS Open DNS OSZAR »