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... to sober-arguments.net. This web application aims to facilitate constructive
discussions. Each discussion consists of so called bricks. The basic brick for
every discussion is a Thesis-Brick. A response to a thesis must have one of the
following types:

 * Pro-Argument
 * Contra-Argument
 * Improvement Suggestion
 * Question
 * Comment

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Below you see a list of publicly visible theses (mainly for testing):

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🔗: Thesis#62

Hunde sollen die Clubräumen eines Hackspaces betreten dürfen.

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(Diese These und die zugehörigen Argumente sind aus einer Arguman-Instanz
kopiert. Dadurch soll untersucht werden, ob die Diskussion in sober
übersichtlicher dargestellt werden kann, bzw. was sich an der Darstellung noch
verbessern mus).

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Tags:  test

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pro: 2 (0)
Pro-Arguments: ✓ Blindenhunde

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✓ "all creatures welcome"

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contra: 3 (0)
Contra-Arguments: ⚡ Allergien

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⚡ Manche Menschen haben Angst vor Hunden

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⚡ Unfallgefahr

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🔗: Thesis#37

Veranstaltung zur Unterzeichnung von Petitionen im Olympiastadion ist sinnvoll

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Hintergrund: Für den 12. Juni 2020 ist eine Veranstaltung im Berliner
Olympiastadion geplant, bei der Menschen zusammenkommen, um Petitionen
unterzeichnen können ("eine nach der anderen"). Dadurch soll die Gesetzgebung in
eine positive Richtung beeinflusst werden. Als Motivationsbeispiel wird die
Petition genannt, durch welche die Mehrwertsteuer auf Menstruationsprodukte von
19% auf 7% gesenkt wurde. Details: http://www.startnext.com/12062020

These: So eine Veranstaltung kann grundsätzlich sinnvoll sein.

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Tags:  Politik; Petition

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pro: 1 (0)
Pro-Arguments: ✓ Chance auf hohe Aufmerksamkeit für innovative Politikvorsch...

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contra: 9 (0)
Contra-Arguments: ⚡ Kommerzielle Interessen

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⚡ Zu viel Einfluss der Veranstalter*innen

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⚡ Viele Petitionen bleiben wirkungslos

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⚡ Keine kritische Reflexion

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⚡ Ablenkungspotenzial

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⚡ Ja-Nein-Abstimmung wird Komplexität nicht gerecht

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⚡ Totalanspruch der Mehrheitsmeinung wird suggeriert

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⚡ Implizite Anerkennung von Hierarchien

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⚡ Keine grundldegende Infragestellung des Systems

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🔗: Thesis#30

An application like sober is basically helpful for some use cases

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E.g. for small or medium-sized groups where

 1. there is a common will to reach mutual understanding and
 2. formation of opinion on complex questions is intended.

Furthermore, sober can be used do document important decisions. Thereby it is
possible to determine which arguments had been considered, how they had been
rated and whether something important has changed in the mean time.

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Tags:  sober

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pro: 2 (0)
Pro-Arguments: ✓ Fast overview about controversal topics greatly facilitates...

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✓ Not showing authorships helps to concentrate on content ins...

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contra: 1 (0)
Contra-Arguments: ⚡ Overestimated human rationality.

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rest: 2 (0)
Further Reactions: ? There already exists similar app

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💡 The thesis-text should mention more example use cases

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🔗: Thesis#22

Eine Applikation wie sober ist für bestimmte Anwendungsfälle grundsätzlich
sinnvoll.

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Z.B. für kleine bis mittlere Gruppen, in denen

 1. ein grundsätzlicher Einigungswille besteht und
 2. eine Meinungsfindung zu komplexen Fragen angestrebt wird.

Weiterhin kann sober dafür benutzt werden, um Entscheidungsprozesse zu
dokumentieren, um z.B. später festzustellen, welche Argumente dereinst
gegeneinander abgewogen wurden.

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Tags:  IT

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pro: 2 (0)
Pro-Arguments: ✓ Schneller Überblick über kontroverse Themen hilft bei Einar...

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✓ Verzicht auf Urheber-Angabe verhindert Ego-Trips

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contra: 1 (0)
Contra-Arguments: ⚡ Überschätzte menschliche Rationalität.

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rest: 2 (0)
Further Reactions: ? Gibt es sowas nicht schon?

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💡 Im Thesen-Text sollten noch mehr Einsatz-Beispiele genannt ...

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🔗: Thesis#5

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisici elit.

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Note: This is just a dummy-thesis with nonsense content and nonsense arguments.
It serves to demonstrate function of sober.

Nam liber tempor cum soluta nobis eleifend option congue nihil imperdiet doming
id quod mazim placerat facer possim assum. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet,
consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet
dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat. Ut wisi enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud
exerci tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo
consequat.

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Tags:  testing

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pro: 2 (0)
Pro-Arguments: ✓ Duis autem vel eum iriure dolor in hendrerit.

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✓ No erat tacimata.

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contra: 1 (0)
Contra-Arguments: ⚡ Stet clita ea et gubergren, kasd magna no rebum.

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