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TRUMP ON POLITICAL VIOLENCE IN 2024: 'IF WE DON'T WIN, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS'

The former president also spoke about considering pardons for Jan. 6 defendants
and deflected key questions on federal abortion policy in a lengthy Time
magazine interview.

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April 30, 2024, 6:47 AM HST / Updated April 30, 2024, 2:44 PM HST
By Jake Traylor and Scott Bland

Former President Donald Trump said in a new interview with Time magazine that he
doesn't think there will be political violence around the 2024 election because
he believes he'll win — but that it "always depends on the fairness of an
election."

The comments came along with a statement that Trump would "consider" pardoning
every person who has been charged or convicted for rioting at the Capitol on
Jan. 6, 2021, after the then-president rallied his followers against what he has
repeatedly and baselessly called a "rigged" election.




Trump also answered questions digging into his campaign position on abortion
policy being left up to the states — and deflecting questions pressing him on
any potential federal action, including his position on whether abortion
medication should be available. And Trump reinforced past statements he has made
on Russia doing “whatever the hell they want” to NATO countries who don’t pay
their “fair share” and the extent of a military crackdown he plans to order on
illegal immigration.

When Trump was asked in an initial interview about the prospect of more
political violence in 2024, after the events following the 2020 election, he
said no. "I think we're gonna have a big victory. And I think there will be no
violence," Trump said.

But asked in a follow-up conversation about what will happen if he doesn't win,
Trump was equivocal.

"Well, I do think we're gonna win," Trump answered. "We're way ahead. I don't
think they'll be able to do the things that they did the last time, which were
horrible. Absolutely horrible. So many, so many different things they did, which
were in total violation of what was supposed to be happening. And you know that
and everybody knows that. We can recite them, go down a list that would be an
arm’s long. But I don't think we're going to have that. I think we're going to
win. And if we don't win, you know, it depends. It always depends on the
fairness of an election."



Trump also said that he'd be reluctant to hire people for a second
administration who thought President Joe Biden won the 2020 election: "I
wouldn’t feel good about it," he said.

On the people charged and convicted of violent acts as Congress was preparing to
certify the 2020 election results on Jan. 6, 2021, Trump complained that they've
faced a "two-tier system" but, when pressed, said, "I would consider that, yes,"
when asked if he'd consider pardoning every single person prosecuted for their
actions on Jan. 6.




'THE STATES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE COMFORTABLE OR UNCOMFORTABLE, NOT ME'

Trump's rare long-form interview included him talking through his position on
leaving abortion policy up to states. When asked directly if he was comfortable
with states deciding to punish women who access abortions after the designated
state-specific ban, Trump said: “I don’t have to be comfortable or
uncomfortable. The states are going to make that decision. The states are going
to have to be comfortable or uncomfortable, not me.”

Then, asked if women’s pregnancies should be monitored by state governments to
ensure they don’t get abortions after a certain timeline ban, Trump said: "I
think they might do that. Again, you’ll have to speak to the individual states.”

Trump also dodged on the question of whether women should have access to
abortion pills. As the interviewer noted that Republican allies of Trump have
called "for enforcement of the Comstock Act, which prohibits the mailing of
drugs used for abortions by mail," Trump said he will be making a statement
later but declined to outline his position.

"I will be making a statement on that over the next 14 days," Trump said. In the
follow-up interview on April 27, Time noted that Trump had not yet made the
statement even though two weeks had passed.



"I’ll be doing it over the next week or two," Trump said. "But I don't think it
will be shocking, frankly. But I'll be doing it over the next week or two."

Trump recently said that it should also be up to individual states to determine
any penalty for doctors who perform abortions outside state law. He labeled a
question about what he'd do on potential federal legislation on abortion a
hypothetical "because it won't happen. You're never going to have 60 votes."




'I CAN SEE MYSELF USING THE NATIONAL GUARD AND, IF NECESSARY, I’D HAVE TO GO A
STEP FURTHER'

When asked about immigration, Trump reiterated a consistent campaign promise to
use the U.S. military to remove undocumented immigrants from the country.


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And Trump said he'd be willing to use other parts of the U.S. military besides
the National Guard to address issues inland as well as the border, saying, “I
can see myself using the National Guard and, if necessary, I’d have to go a step
further." When the interviewer noted the law preventing the deployment of the
military against civilians, Trump claimed undocumented immigrants weren't
civilians and said: "These are people that aren’t legally in our country. This
is an invasion of our country."

Trump has previously vowed to relocate thousands of overseas U.S troops to the
southern border to crack down on border security as well as promising to
terminate “every open border policy of the Biden administration.”

The Biden campaign responded Tuesday, criticizing both Trump's record and his
campaign rhetoric.



"He isn’t just committing to reimplement the cruel, systematic policies of
ripping away mothers from their children from his time in office — he’s pledging
to go further by using the military and law enforcement to enact his cruel,
anti-American, and ineffective immigration policies," campaign co-chair Veronica
Escobar said in a statement. She added that Americans "want solutions at our
border, not more sick political stunts that come at the expense of the most
vulnerable and with an embrace of authoritarianism."

Trump also floated the idea of migrant detention camps, calling it a
"possibility" but something he hopes "we shouldn’t have to do very much of."

At the core of Trump's immigration promises over the last year is the use of
local law enforcement, though policy specifics surrounding the idea have been
scarce.

When asked to clarify, Trump proposed “police immunity from prosecution” and
left the door open to possible incentives from the federal government for state
and local police departments.


'IF YOU’RE NOT GOING TO PAY, THEN YOU’RE ON YOUR OWN'

On international affairs, Trump again dug in on recent comments that Russia
could “do whatever the hell they want” to NATO countries who do not “pay up”
what he deems are appropriate military expenses.

Trump told Time, “Yeah, when I said that, I said it with great meaning, because
I want them to pay. I want them to pay up. That was said as a point of
negotiation. I said, Look, if you’re not going to pay, then you’re on your own.
And I mean that."



Trump also backed up comments that he wouldn’t “give a penny” to Ukraine unless
other European countries started supporting Ukraine in “equalizing” amounts.

"I said I wouldn't give unless Europe starts equalizing," Trump said. "They have
to come. Europe has to pay. We are in for so much more than the European
nations. It's very unfair to us. And I said if Europe isn't going to pay, who
are gravely more affected than we are, if Europe is not going to pay, why should
we pay?"

Trump also conceded that a two-state solution between Israel and the
Palestinians looks “very, very tough" and said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin
Netanyahu has "rightfully" been criticized for the fact that Hamas was able to
attack Israel on Oct. 7.


Jake Traylor

Jake Traylor is a 2024 NBC News campaign embed.

Scott Bland

Scott Bland is a senior politics editor in the NBC News Political Unit. 

Tara Prindiville contributed.


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