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CHARLIE FLOWERS THREATENS TIM IRELAND’S FAMILY WITH “GYPSY CURSE”

Posted on January 29, 2010 by Richard Bartholomew

Cyber-bully Charlie Flowers of the band The Fighting Cocks has stooped to a new
low:

> from Princess Calamity [princesscalamity@googlemail.com]
> to Tim Ireland
> date Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:02 AM
> subject Re: Publication of your email address
> 
> Matyi is about to put a Gypsy curse on you and your entire family, at dawn
> tomorrow- and it’ll be a bad one :(
> … you can avoid this curse, by never contacting or writing about us or anyone
> to do with us again. I’m sure your wife wouldn’t be too happy about your
> obsessions leading to her and you and yours getting lumbered with something
> that will follow your bloodline down the generations, now would it?
> So.. your choice Mr Stalker.
> :D
> x
> Priya

As is frequently the case, Flowers is cowering behind pseudonyms while playing
the hard man, but it’s him: “Matyi” is a stage name he uses, and “Princess
Calamity” and “Priya” are both names used by his close associates in a group
that calls itself “the Cheerleaders”, which overlaps with his band; as I have
blogged on a number of occasions, they have been harassing and threatening Tim
for some months.

Back in the summer, Tim emailed Dan Wilde, another member of the Fighting Cocks
– Wilde uses the stage name “DJ Assassin”, and, unlike the rest of the band, he
is based in Cornwall. Tim asked Wilde if he was involved in the campaign against
him; Wilde did not respond (aside from upping his Facebook privacy settings),
but instead passed the email on to Flowers. Flowers then challenged Tim to a
fight, and followed this up with a threat to come to his house. However, the
bully is also a show-off, and he couldn’t resist cc-ing a few of his friends
into his challenge. Perhaps he meant to “bcc” them but made a mistake; either
way, it backfired as Tim posted the response on his blog, including the email
addresses from the cc list. Tim also wrote to these addresses explaining that he
would remove them if their owners would disassociate themselves from the
“Cheerleaders'” behaviour. Tim has so far received only one response, from a
certain “Jonny Yeah”; however, this person chose to prevaricate about how well
he knows Flowers rather than give any opinion about his actions. “Jonny
Yeah” then got an associate, who runs his website through a software company, to
spamblock Tim; when Tim asked “Jonny Yeah”‘s associate about this, he was
reportedly told to “fuck off”. So, Tim has written about all these
peregrinations, too (I blogged this yesterday). The accusation that Tim is “Mr
Stalker” comes from the fact that he has a reasonable question to ask of people
who should be able to give a simple response, and he has pushed his point
firmly.

All this has sent Flowers and the “Cheerleaders” up the wall; perhaps, behind
the scenes, his friends are annoyed at the trouble he has caused them. Slowly,
the “Cheerleaders” have realised that sending threats of violence isn’t working;
yesterday, Flowers instead threatened to complain to Tim’s webhost – a pathetic
display of hypocrisy from a man who has presided over a campaign with the stated
intention that Tim should be put “back in his box” and forced to leave the
country (these promises were outlined on a now-deleted Twitter feed).

So what about the “Gypsy curse”? Tim is not a superstitious man, but obviously
the threat was sent with the intention to intimidate or cause distress. That’s
malicious communication in UK law:

>  Any person who sends to another person.. a letter, electronic communication
> or article of any description which conveys… a threat… is guilty of an offence
> if his purpose, or one of his purposes, in sending it is that it should… cause
> distress or anxiety to the recipient or to any other person to whom he intends
> that it or its contents or nature should be communicated.
> 
> …A person is not guilty of an offence…  if he shows… that the threat was used
> to reinforce a demand made by him on reasonable grounds and… that he believed,
> and had reasonable grounds for believing, that the use of the threat was a
> proper means of reinforcing the demand.

Two problems for Flowers: (a) he has no “reasonable grounds” for his demand,
since he gave Tim the email addresses in the first place and Tim has offered to
remove them if their owners contact him. Also, a few weeks ago I conveyed a
message on Tim’s behalf in which he offered to remove the addresses in return
for a full account of “Cheerleader” dealings with Dominic Wightman (1). And (b)
a threat to curse someone’s family is hardly a “proper way of reinforcing” any
demand. There’s no reason to mention Tim’s family at all, besides intimidation,
and no-one with any decency would have stooped to such a disgusting tactic. And
in the context of Flowers having publicised Tim’s home address in the past and
of having made physical threats, there is reason to be concerned for natural,
rather than just supernatural, reasons.

There has been at least one court case in which someone was convicted of
malicious communication in circumstances that involved a supernatural threat. In
October 2005  a man was convicted in part for sending a letter which included
the words: “Amidst all the other mishaps that shall now befall you, I am now
releasing those demons that cause you to persecute me back into your soul”.

***

(1) Wightman denies any link to the “Cheerleaders”, although their attacks on
Tim began just when Tim publicised that Wightman, with whom we had been
corresponding about Glen Jenvey, had lied to us. The “Cheerleaders” have also
claimed to have done things on his behalf, both in emails sent to me and in a
now-deleted posting to their Facebook site (“Princess Calamity” recently wrote
that “He got really scared when he realised we’d actually do stuff to people.”).
Flowers also claims to have worked with Wightman at the “VIGIL Network“, and a
year ago Wightman passed to Tim and me an audio interview between Jenvey and a
man he thought was a journalist; Wightman told us that the man was in fact
Flowers, and it seems that the audio was created as part of  feud between
Wightman and Jenvey.


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13 RESPONSES

 1.  
     Daniel Hoffmann-Gill, on January 29, 2010 at 3:34 pm said:
     
     Yet another fine documentation blog post of the sickening behaviour towards
     Tim, of course none of us are thick enough to believe in curses but a
     threat is a threat.
     
     Reply
     
 2.  
     Mr M, on January 30, 2010 at 7:24 pm said:
     
     The pseudonyms adopted and the names mentioned suggests to me that these
     people must have had an experience in abusing drugs and an abnormal sexual
     activities. That is the only thing making them a threat, otherwise I would
     have ignored them.
     
     Reply
     
 3.  
     brother maynard, on February 1, 2010 at 1:17 am said:
     
     I don’t think of myself as being very superstitious. But if I were Tim, I
     think I would contact Dr. Wiley Drake, of the Southern Baptist Convention,
     and have him cast a few counterspells. You know, just some basic Psalm 109
     type stuff. Just as a precautionary measure, of course.
     
     Reply
     
 4.  
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     « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion, on February 1, 2010 at 8:49 am said:
     
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     Charlie Flowers and English Nationalism « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion,
     on February 3, 2010 at 12:59 pm said:
     
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 6.  
     English Defence League Faction Meets with Charlie Flowers and “Cheerleader”
     Friends « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion, on February 6, 2010 at 1:17 am
     said:
     
     […] Flowers also threatened to come to Tim’s house for a fight, and more
     recently he distastefully made a “gypsy curse” threat against Tim’s […]
     
     Reply
     
 7.  
     Pickled Politics » The dangers of the blogosphere, on February 14, 2010 at
     3:23 pm said:
     
     […] from a thuggish group calling themselves ‘The Cheerleaders’. Tim has
     had his family threatened and has been smeared as a paedophile because he
     and Richard have worked on exposing the dubious […]
     
     Reply
     
 8.  
     BBC Documentary on the English Defence League « Bartholomew’s Notes on
     Religion, on May 21, 2010 at 9:03 am said:
     
     […] (A picture of the scene can be seen here – and holding the megaphone
     was none other than the cyber-bully Charlie Flowers, whom I’ve blogged on a
     number of times). Anderson also […]
     
     Reply
     
 9.  
     Charlie Flowers and NiceOnesUK « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion, on
     October 7, 2010 at 11:38 am said:
     
     […] the campaign against Tim was more sustained, and included threats of
     violence and a distasteful expression of malice against Tim’s family. The
     campaign has also recently […]
     
     Reply
     
 10. 
     Cyber-Bully Charlie Flowers Makes New Threat « Bartholomew’s Notes on
     Religion, on November 29, 2010 at 12:04 pm said:
     
     […] that he would be forced to leave the country. There were also threats
     of violence and a distasteful expression of malice against Tim’s family.
     What was Flowers’ goal? One possibility is that he was acting on […]
     
     Reply
     
 11. 
     Why Iain Dale Should Stop Accusing Tim Ireland of Stalking « Bartholomew’s
     Notes on Religion, on December 17, 2010 at 9:49 pm said:
     
     […] to publish Tim’s home address on-line last year, along with direct
     threats of violence and an expression of malice against Tim’s […]
     
     Reply
     
 12. 
     Dominic Wightman and the MPs « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion, on April
     12, 2011 at 4:03 pm said:
     
     […] with VIGIL was the cyber-thug Charlie Flowers, who publicised Tim’s
     home address and expressed malicious intent towards his family in an
     attempt to intimidate; Flowers later realised he’d been manipulated, […]
     
     Reply
     
 13. 
     The “Anti-Extremism Alliance” « Bartholomew’s Notes on Religion, on July 8,
     2011 at 11:39 am said:
     
     […] blogger Tim Ireland’s home address around the internet, and sent
     threats that included an expression of malice against Tim’s family (this
     was after Tim and I exposed lies by the director of […]
     
     Reply
     




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