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April 16, 2024


LEENA SAW LOVED ONES PRAYING FOR HER DURING HER NDE

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Leena Zafary says NDE's happen whether you understand them or not, whether you
believe them or not.

In fact, this was her own experience. She grew up not believing in these kinds
of spiritual happenings and had a difficult time wrapping her mind around her
own near death experience. It took her nearly 10 years to finally talk about it.
Now she realizes how freeing and therapeutic it can be to discuss what happened
to her with others of the same mindset.

In 2014 Leena found herself in the ICU with 2 collapsed lungs as a result of the
H1N1 virus. While in a coma she sat up right out of her body and experienced a
love that can only exist in the spirit world. She saw loved ones praying for
her, and how her love and gratitude ignited the light within them.

In this episode we discuss love, frequency of emotions, advice for other near
death experiencers, and much more!



PLEASE THINK OF ONE FRIEND TO SHARE THIS NDE WITH



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From the time that they pronounced me deaf was a good 45 minutes.

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They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped.

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And I could see people screaming and crying, but I didn't realize that was
actually my

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physical body because I was somewhere else.

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The only thing that I could feel, if you could imagine, absolute love and peace,
there wasn't

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anything else to be felt.

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I was greeted by people I'd known in the past.

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I'm back home again.

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Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death, everybody.

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And I'd like to welcome our special guest today, Lena Zafari.

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Zafari.

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How close am I?

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Very close.

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Almost perfect.

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Zafari.

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Okay, with a Z, Zafari.

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I like that.

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All right, hey, you know, we are going to jump right into your near-death
experience in

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just a second.

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Okay.

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First, I have a couple of questions.

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I would love our listeners to get to know you a little bit.

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Can you take just one minute and tell us who Lena is?

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Do you want to know who Lena is today?

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Sure.

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And if your background has something to do with that, you can tell us a little
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your background as well.

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Well, I'm very much, I consider myself very much the same person I've always
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weirdest way, but just not much outside of my life has changed, but a lot of my
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has changed, meaning I'm pretty much a regular person.

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I am a mother of three young children.

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I am, you know, surrounded by family and friends.

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I live in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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I am into healing and wellness.

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I have a nonprofit that I'm passionate about, that I dedicate a lot of my time
into, and

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that has to do with actually what we're going to be talking about, which is
near-death experiences.

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So I am, you know, I'm busy doing everything everybody else is doing, so I'm
just a normal

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person.

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Good.

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I don't know if that really answers your question, but I don't know how else to
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at myself because there's so many different layers, you know?

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I know, and I didn't give you an hour to explain yourself.

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And so you had to just stick with one layer.

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I first heard about you the other day because you were doing a presentation for
an IONS

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group.

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And I just loved the title of it, which was, NDEs happen whether you understand
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not.

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Yeah.

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And I'm going to add to that, whether you believe them or not, or believe in
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not, what does that mean?

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That they happen whether you know them or believe them or not?

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Yeah.

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The fact that NDEs happen whether you understand them or not, what does that
mean?

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It's exactly that.

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It's something that happens to a certain percentage of people or for whatever
reason,

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whether we know about it or not, it just happens.

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Life happens and we are put into certain situations or circumstances.

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And then we have an experience that completely changes everything about us and
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at life.

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And it has after effects and things happen.

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So whether you understand it or not, you're still going to be put into the
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the cycle.

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You're still going to go through what people go through having an experience
like that.

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And people that have had an experience often don't even understand it
themselves.

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And it can take years to figure it out and to realize, wow, did this really
happen?

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And what did it really mean?

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And why did it happen to me?

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And all these other questions seem to come up.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And that is literally the title of my webinar talk that I did the other night
for IYENS

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is like, it was so fitting, meaning literally I am a living example of that
sentence.

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I mean, NDE's happened, whether you know about them or not, or whether you
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not.

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I knew nothing of them.

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I had no belief one way or another way to have, you know, to make a decision.

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And I walked around, well, it turns out I had an NDE at birth.

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So I've been living the after effects of an NDE all my life without knowing it
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it.

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And then when it happened the second time, I still didn't know about it.

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And all of what I was going through all my life just got bumped up and were
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and I still didn't know.

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And then, you know, eventually, you know, when the change is drastic enough or
big enough,

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or I guess in my case, since I wasn't getting the hints from the universe, I
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slapped around a few times until I woke up and I realized, okay, hold on,
something happened,

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what happened?

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I know what happened, something happened, but what does it mean?

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So I figured it out and then I realized what happened to me, which was an NDE.

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So yeah, whether you believe it or know about it, it happens.

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But we end up figuring it out because there's such a big impact it has on us.

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Do you ever run into some of the skeptics that say, oh, it's just a chemical
reaction

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that happens when your heart stops or something else, this chemical reaction in
your brain?

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First of all, have you ever wondered, is that maybe just what happened to me?

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And what do you have to say to those people?

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Well, the answer to the question, have I met those people?

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Absolutely.

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Well, what I say to it is, is I know without words or without anything, the
realness of

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what occurred.

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It's like, if somebody asks me tomorrow, did you really sit down with Eric
Bennett and

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have a conversation?

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Did it happen?

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Yes, it happened.

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You know, there's no, let me see.

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I wonder, you know, it happened.

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That experience happened just like this is happening.

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Exactly.

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And then there are people who don't, who listen, who don't believe and who
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say those things.

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And I can understand now, their perspective.

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You can't see above something that you haven't seen.

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So naturally, that is, you know, what you go to.

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So I don't blame them for saying that.

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But yeah, people do say that in it, on my end, it hurts.

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Sure.

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Yeah, they're just not believing you.

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Yeah, because it's not just a matter of, well, I wonder how, but they're like,
no, you're

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crazy.

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That couldn't have happened.

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You're just, you're just, you just don't know.

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It was the medic, it was the reaction of the medication or you're hallucinating
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they get out of the story that they just heard.

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So it's kind of, you know, judgmental.

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Let's go back 10 years, okay, when you did have this experience and wow, it
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physically you were in a very unpleasant place.

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Tell us what was going on.

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What do you mean I was in a physically bad place because, well, you were very
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It's so funny.

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It's, yes, I was, I was very sick.

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I was very ill.

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I was in the hospital, but I really don't have conscious memory of anything
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what, where my focus and attention was and what I wanted, which was to get out
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home and the actual near death experience that happened.

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It's like that memory surpasses, supersedes anything else that could have
happened.

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So I don't have much, too much memory of being in a bad, uncomfortable state.

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But you were very sick.

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Would you mind telling us what was going on?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So I was very healthy, strong person, no medication, no illnesses, nothing, just
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as can be.

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You know, I had two kids.

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I had a 18 month old nursing child and I've almost a five year old child.

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So I was a healthy individual.

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I was on vacation.

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I caught a cold, my cold felt different than normal colds and I was having a
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breathing.

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It was taking a breath hurt.

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It was almost like I couldn't take a breath.

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I call it now intuition or whatever you want to call it a voice.

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I had the sense that I needed to go to the hospital and get checked out.

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So it just ended up being 10 days in the hospital and the cold turned into the
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And one virus, which is pretty much very much like COVID, it attacked the
respiratory.

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Now I was in the hospital for nine, those nine days, so I don't have memory of
conversations

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or anything.

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I was in ICU for five of those days knocked out.

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So I can tell you about what was told to me that was wrong with me and some of
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that happened while I was there.

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But as far as my own memory, the only memory I have of my time in the hospital
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I was in the hospital and then begging and demanding and asking to go home.

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Like I'm fine.

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Let's me go home.

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My kids are writing.

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I'm fine.

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Like I was just pleading.

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That's all I remember.

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And then I don't remember anything else and I don't know if that's all that's
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memory I have.

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Except for your near death experience.

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And that is like, yeah, that is full.

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Yes.

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Do you have any idea what point in the hospital that that happened to you?

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And tell it, go ahead and jump in.

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Tell us what happened.

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What do you remember of it?

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Well, I do remember being in the hospital, in the regular hospital room.

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And then I do also remember waking up many times in the ICU room.

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I was in a fairly light white room ICU, small room.

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I must have woken up many times or was aware or awake or conscious enough to
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room.

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But apparently after the fifth day of being in the ICU, the news that my father
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then husband received at the moment was that they needed to prepare for, you
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my departure, basically, you know, that I was not responding to anything.

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And I was unable to breathe on my own because both of my lungs had shut down at
that point.

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And there was nothing they could do for me because they're both gone.

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No lungs.

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So I was in that kind of a state physically.

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But when the near death happened, at that moment, it was literally like all of a
sudden,

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like, you know, like a scene in the movie, we were just, I just woke up.

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I just got up.

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I got up and I sat up and just like I'm looking at you, I woke up and I looked,
I looked around

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and I realized it was in the ICU room.

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I knew where I was.

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And then as I'm looking around, I looked to my right and I noticed that I'm
sitting,

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I'm in the ICU room and I'm sitting at the edge of the bed that I was late that,
you

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know, I'm sitting at the edge of the bed, the hospital bed.

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So as I look to my right, I see that my physical body is still laying there,
propped up, but

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laying there.

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But there's no kind of like, oh no, what's wrong.

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It was just like, oh, there's my body.

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It was very much like, I'm here.

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That's just my clothes.

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It's like, that's my body.

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That was the, that was a depth of connection or anything that was just that.

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At this point, I'm looking and I'm very much aware of, you know, where I'm at
and I'm

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seeing my body.

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And then all of a sudden I hear, like, as if it's coming in front of me, I'm
aware of

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just this light in the room.

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But there's also this voice.

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There's this voice that speaks and the voice is, it's kind, but it's stern and
but it's

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maternal.

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It's a, it's a woman voice very much kind of like the way I'm speaking.

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And the voice talks to me kind of like, Lena, you need to go back.

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The kids are waiting for you.

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You need to go back, but you need to make the decision.

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Like you need to decide.

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I don't quite get that.

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You're being told what you need to do.

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Oh, but you get to make the decision.

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Do you feel like you really had a decision?

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I wasn't thinking at that point.

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I'm literally in observing as I'm looking at my body.

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You have to understand what this happens.

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It's like, it's almost like looking at the picture, right?

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You can look at a picture.

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You can decide to look at your at the mountain peak and describe the mountain or
to the rough,

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the bottom where the ocean is and describe the ocean or the animals that's
there, wherever

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you put your eye in that image, you can kind of, you know, tell a story from the
picture.

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Well, the NDE is very much like that.

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I could tell you how it started in the flow of it, but at the same time,
everything happens

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almost like at the same time.

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So as I, as I wake up and I realize and I'm looking at my body, I'm also having
a full

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awareness of where I'm at, but I'm also looking down at myself and I look down
at my own body

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where I'm at.

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I am completely clear, kind of like a glass or a clear bottle with, you know,
glass bottle.

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I'm literally like glass and I can see the shape of my legs, my thighs.

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My hands and I can see right through them.

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They're clear.

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And I'm just like, okay, so I had this awareness that I was clear.

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That's when kind of like, I'm also looking and listening to this voice talk to
me saying,

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Lena, you need to go back and, you know, it's your decision.

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So as, as I'm listening to that, I'm also still like looking around and
observing my

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environment and as I'm looking to, to the left of me, I noticed that I see my
children.

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I see my son and I see my daughter at the age they were, they were at the time,
which

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was, you know, like five year old son and my daughter was like 18 months old.

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So little and they were both just kind of like sitting there or in that, like
right

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there in that space.

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And something happened.

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The moment I saw them, it was almost like, you know, the light in the room just
got brighter.

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Everything in, you know, like lighter and more fresher and more like, I felt
this.

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It's almost like the sun coming out, but it's already out, but it's coming out
more.

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It's this feeling of love and the way that I can describe that feeling here on
earth is

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for me as a mother, I spent my whole life thinking I couldn't have kids.

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So when I did have children, when I did become a mother, I was very much of a,
like a mom

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who was holding a miracle every time.

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Like every time I got to nurse my son and or my daughter, I, for me, I would
have like

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oxytocin release and I would just be, I would feel euphoria.

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And I even asked my doctor or other moms and people about it and they're like,
yeah, well,

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this oxytocin release, you know, that's the bonding molecules when you're
nursing.

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But for me, it was very, very amplified, but in my near death experience, it was
that

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even more amplified.

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That's a good explanation that I have not heard before.

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And I've heard all kinds of explanations because I tell people, explain that
love that you

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felt.

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Yeah.

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And men can't really relate to this one, but.

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I don't think I've really ever fully described it with those two things together
like that.

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But this is really, really how I felt.

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I'm just like, I get such intense love that it's just, I get tears, I get
oxytocin release,

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I can taste it.

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It's a physical reaction.

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And I thought that was normal to everybody.

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I don't know.

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Well, I, how do I put this?

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The physical reaction is an interesting way of explaining an emotion here.

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It's very unusual.

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Okay.

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All right, keep going.

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Okay.

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So back to my NDE, right?

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Like.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Tell me what else happened.

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I'm showing my children and I'm just like, ah, you know, like I'm in, I'm happy
and I feel

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love and joy and all of what people talk about.

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I'm like that.

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And then I also have this awareness that now, even though I'm in the room, it's
like almost

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like the white walls in the room on the side have disappeared and I'm out in
space and I

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can see in the darkness, but in the darkness I can see.

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It's not like dark that I can't see what's in there.

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I can see what's in the darkness.

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And what I see in the darkness is people sitting like rows and rows of people
sitting and they're

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all facing me and they're all looking at me.

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And then I have, I want to call it an understanding or a knowing or an awareness
that these are

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the people that are still here on earth, the people, their family and friends.

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That's interesting.

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So, so you're out of your body, but what you're seeing is people that are here,
not people

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that are passed on already.

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No, I never saw or spoke to any entity, spirit, nothing throughout any of my
experiences.

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But in my MDE, I saw people in my life here.

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But it's interesting because I could see their silhouette, I could see their,
their shadow,

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but I couldn't see them like the way I'm looking at you, you're wearing a blue
shirt

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and I can see your face.

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I could see your shadow, but I couldn't see you like I could see the entire
shadow of

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you looking.

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So, as I'm looking at these, each person that I look at as I, as I look like I'm
looking

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at you right now, as I look at each individual person, that individual person
rises and then

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it comes closer, right?

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And as they come closer, I'm looking at them as I'm looking at them that they
turn into

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kind of like the flame of a candle.

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So if you were to hold up a candle and just look at the flame, everybody that I
would

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look at, they would just kind of rise up and come close so I can almost see, but
except

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I couldn't see them, all I saw was the light that they emitted.

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So I did that to several different people.

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Now, I didn't know who they were because I was trying to look at, see who they
were,

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but every person I looked at would rise up and be light.

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I don't, I couldn't hear their prayers, but I knew they were praying for me.

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So I don't know what they were praying or what they were saying, but I could
feel, feel

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them and I could feel their prayers for me.

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And that again, caused this like, it's almost like this expansion of my heart.

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Like I was like, you know, like happy, like, oh, you guys were praying for me,
you know,

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I had that a moment.

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So.

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I think this was sort of a reflection of real people here on earth that actually
were praying

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for you at that time and you were sort of seeing what was going on with them.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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What do you make of the fact that they turned into a flame that could be
interpreted as something

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negative or something positive?

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That's very interesting that you say that because up until now, I never thought
of it

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being looked at in any way negative.

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I always saw it as positive because for me in my mind, what I see is the love
which and

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gratitude with, with which I look at ignites the light within.

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That's what it means to me.

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To me, it means that, you know, the eye that was looking through was not just
Lena, because

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Lena was laying in the bed also, but I was also me, but it was also the clear
me, the

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spirit me.

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So it's almost like that's me.

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When that me looked in gratitude, right, and looked with love for people who are
praying

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for me, you know, and that turned them into light.

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So light is God, light is frequent.

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Yeah, that's super positive.

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That's a good explanation.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Anything else?

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The interesting thing is that's where everything just almost kind of like
disconnects the lights

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went out.

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So it's almost like somebody just turned off the TV and the movie ended.

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Boom.

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Everything just stopped.

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And at that moment, I was back in my body.

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And it's funny because just the other day when I was doing my talk for Irons and
I was

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asked and I was, this was a part that was asked really, it was, how did I come
back into my

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body?

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I have no clue how I came back into my body.

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I have no memory of it.

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In fact, I don't even remember waking up in my body.

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I didn't even know that I was, there was no memory of it.

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And that's very normal.

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Some people are that way, but some people do remember how they came into their
body.

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And that's okay that you don't.

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You know, mine is very interesting.

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It turns out is because I get that you can forget and I don't remember and I
don't remember.

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But the thing is, is that what I find interesting in this, which I still haven't
really figured

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out is I came back into my body and I physically woke up in the hospital.

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Like I must have at some point opened my eyes.

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At some point I must have moved my physical body.

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At some point I must have sat up.

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At some point I had a conversation, right?

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I don't remember any of those.

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So fast forward to about two years ago, maybe a year and a half ago, for the
first time

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I actually asked my then husband, hey, what do you remember from the time I was
in the

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hospital?

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What happened to me?

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What's your take on it?

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And of course, he sends me pictures.

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And one of the pictures he sends me is a picture of me sitting in the hospital
bed and I'm

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eating a burger, a big burger and I have a drink, rice and I'm literally just
chomping

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away and I'm eating.

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And this happened hours after I woke up from the ICU with two expired lungs.

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And I have no memory of it.

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But there's a picture of me.

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There's a picture of me sitting and eating a burger, time and date stamp that
happened,

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but I have no memory of it.

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So it's strange that I never, it took me another 45 years, I think, four years,
2014, almost

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2019.

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It took me another four or five years to realize that, oh, I had a near death
experience that's

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called an NDE and this is, that's what it was.

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Now, back to the interview.

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You had mentioned to me also that about three years after this, you had some
other kind of

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experience.

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You want to explain that quickly?

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Yeah.

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I had what they call a spiritually transformative experience and basically it's
exactly what

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that is.

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It's you have a spiritual experience that is so transformative that it just
knocks your

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socks off.

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It was just an experience.

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The way I described the experience was a continuation of my near-death
experience.

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How so?

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Did you see some of the same things?

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Did you feel like you were out of your body?

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What do you mean?

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My spiritually transformative experience, yes, I was out of body and I actually
experienced

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a lot of the near-death experiences, like in my near-death experience, I did not
see or

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go through a tunnel.

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I did not have a life review.

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I did not have ancestors or any entities, whether it was spiritual healers or
masters

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or anybody.

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None of them visited me or interacted with me or communicated with me.

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There was no humanly conversation with anything other than me in divine, energy,
light.

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It was all done without words.

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What kinds of things were communicated?

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What did you learn?

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One of the things that was communicated with me was the micro and macro of the
universe,

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meaning everything in life has a micro and macro.

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Everything can be divided down to a single atom.

432
00:27:51,880 --> 00:28:01,080
Everything can be brought back to the same microness or the smallness of an
atom.

433
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:07,440
And from one atom can grow a pine tree or a full human.

434
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,440
It's kind of like the micro and macro of everything, the life cycle of
everything.

435
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:20,320
I was shown the micro and macro of everything almost kind of like a movie screen
in front

436
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:27,520
of me, where I saw the presence of Earth in front of me.

437
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:34,560
And in that space, kind of like a movie screen, I was shown a tree, a full like,
at the time

438
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:39,760
I had no language for this, because at the time of these experiences, not only
did I

439
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:46,040
not know that I did what an NDE was or near death experience or spiritually
transformative

440
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,160
experience, I didn't even have the basics.

441
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Like I never heard of the word meditation.

442
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,920
This was in 2017.

443
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720
There was a lot of people meditating.

444
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,240
What was just invented the year before?

445
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,240
So it's okay.

446
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,240
I know.

447
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,240
I don't know.

448
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,680
I've never heard of the word chakras.

449
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,080
I'd never heard of the word spiritual this or that.

450
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:16,280
I came from a very religious Islamic point of view.

451
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:27,160
I had that was my viewpoint in life, not any other or spirituality or anything.

452
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,400
But I was always very spiritual because I never connected with religion.

453
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,360
I always knew there was something outside of religion.

454
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:40,600
And I could always see that religion, even as a child in my mind, my religion
always

455
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:48,320
seemed like something in front of me almost kind of like a box with sites and
walls and

456
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,760
corners and inside of it parameters.

457
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,240
And I always saw myself as lines.

458
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,160
And I always wanted to move the lines or question the lines.

459
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,800
And that was my view.

460
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,240
So when I had these experiences and these downloads and these visions in this
spiritually

461
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,480
transformative experience, it was kind of like a child sitting in college and
listening

462
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,480
to things.

463
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,880
I had no idea, but I could see everything.

464
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,640
I could hear everything, but everything was being shown to me.

465
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,680
A lot of learning happening.

466
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Yeah.

467
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,360
Well, let me go back a little bit further.

468
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,920
During your NDE, you mentioned this voice and you said that it sounded female.

469
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,440
Tell me who you think that was.

470
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,240
I don't know.

471
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Sometimes I think it's also, sometimes I think it's in my own maternal voice,
you know, because

472
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,960
I also have that sternness and need.

473
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,520
I've learned to be able to be nice and be like, listen, this is what needs to be
done.

474
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,520
Let's go.

475
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,440
I have a little bit of that in me too.

476
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,760
Back then, I didn't really express it as much.

477
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,280
It was more of a people pleaser and it was like, okay, you know, whereas now
that part

478
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,480
of me, I'm recognizing that.

479
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,720
So I don't know who that was.

480
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,240
I don't know.

481
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,240
Okay.

482
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,800
You keep thinking about that and report back to me later.

483
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,840
I'll call you when I figure it out.

484
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,000
I think you're going to have some ideas down the road at some point.

485
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,560
I think so.

486
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,920
All right.

487
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,640
How long was it after you had your NDE before you talked about it to people?

488
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,840
I tried to talk to people right away.

489
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,160
How did that go?

490
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,160
Not good.

491
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,480
So did you kind of stuff it away for a while?

492
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,480
Yeah.

493
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:42,840
You know, to be honest with you, the NDE, the NDE didn't do change me as much.

494
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:49,640
It just amplified who I was so I consciously couldn't see the difference in me.

495
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:58,240
But three years later, when I had the spiritually transformative experience,
that experience really

496
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,960
shook me.

497
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:07,520
It really, it was almost kind of like, I see a lot of things in cartoonish
images in my

498
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,520
mind.

499
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,520
It's so weird.

500
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,320
It's like you're picking me up and going, wake up.

501
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,600
You know, like even though all this was happening to me, I didn't know.

502
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,400
I didn't know what I didn't know, so I couldn't put words to it.

503
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:29,040
So the spiritually transformative experience caused enough of a vibrational jolt
in me

504
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,040
that made me start asking some real questions.

505
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,960
And then when did you start talking about all of it?

506
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080
We are when 2024.

507
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Yeah.

508
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:51,840
So in the past, I want to say, in the past two years is really when my
experiences have

509
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:58,360
been mentally processed by myself in little pieces to where as they make sense,
I'm like,

510
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,520
ah, that's what that meant.

511
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,800
Okay, this is how it's showing up in my life.

512
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,080
Oh, that's what it meant.

513
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,520
That's what I was showing.

514
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,360
And I'm starting to connect it.

515
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,920
So it's been in the past couple of years that the more I talk about it, the more
of those

516
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,400
kind of connections happen.

517
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:18,200
So I've been talking about it, but really, I've just kind of started talking
about it

518
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,720
in this past year.

519
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:27,960
So someone that's had some kind of experience, NDESTE, whatever, how helpful is
it, do you

520
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,920
think for them to talk about whether it's just with a loved one, they don't have
to

521
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,280
do it publicly in this kind of a forum.

522
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,520
I have talked to a lot of people that have just told me it's so helpful and
therapeutic

523
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,920
to be able to talk about it.

524
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Have you found the same thing?

525
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:55,880
So the way from my personal experience, the moment that I discovered that what
happened

526
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,480
to me has happened to others and that what happened to me was had a terminology
that

527
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,360
I can look up and read.

528
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:09,960
And then I started to see the moment I realized that I was not the only one
because I thought

529
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,960
I was the only one.

530
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,560
And I was like, oh my God, how do I talk about this?

531
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,080
It's last for me.

532
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,920
The things that I saw, the things that I felt, the things that I went through
was mind blowing.

533
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,040
I could not speak those things.

534
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:30,400
It took me so much time to understand and comprehend and have the courage to
say, okay,

535
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,120
I'm going to have a dialogue about it.

536
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,960
But it's when I found out that I wasn't the only one that gave me permission to
really

537
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,240
say, okay, I'm not the only one.

538
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,240
So let's see what it is.

539
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:42,240
It took the fear out.

540
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:44,760
It took that away.

541
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:52,040
And then just meeting other people who understand the validity of it and who
can, even though

542
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,960
they have different experiences, but who can hold space and listen to me, it is
so incredibly

543
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,960
healing.

544
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,440
It's like being able to breathe.

545
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,160
This being heard is so healing.

546
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:11,720
Not just for me, but for the person listening, but you can't force somebody to
listen.

547
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,480
So the advice could be connect with an IONS group.

548
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,240
It's a good place to start.

549
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:18,240
Absolutely.

550
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:24,040
Honestly, it was when I discovered IONS that through IONS, I discovered all the
wonderful

551
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,640
people and through all these wonderful people, I discovered all the other
wonderful resources.

552
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,800
So it's kind of like a door.

553
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,720
You open a door to more, to more.

554
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:37,720
Okay.

555
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,440
So this has been a very profound thing in your life.

556
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,480
Tell me, give me some ideas of ways this has changed you.

557
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Wow.

558
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,640
It's changed me so much.

559
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,080
Even though I feel like I'm still the same person, there's just so many more
layers to

560
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:08,000
me I have because I see all my senses as I take in a lot and I'm able to process
a lot.

561
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:15,920
And there is this inner strength in me that I cannot describe.

562
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,600
There's this inner peace in me.

563
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,960
There's this inner joy that's in me that's always there.

564
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,840
There's this love for life.

565
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,160
I've always had it, but now it's more like, I don't know how to describe it if
it's more,

566
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,920
but I've just been able to be more authentic.

567
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,440
I learned more about me before I didn't know who I was.

568
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,880
I was very much trying to figure out how to be the perfect person for everybody
else.

569
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:50,200
And I would please one person and piss another person in the process,
misunderstand who I

570
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,200
was.

571
00:36:51,200 --> 00:37:00,080
I didn't really know, but since then, I have a lot of respect and value for
everything,

572
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,080
including myself.

573
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,000
And I always add myself to the mix.

574
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,960
I have gotten to know myself.

575
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,560
When you come back so changed that you affect so many people around you and at
the beginning,

576
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440
I affected many people in a negative way.

577
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,440
I had a lot of relationships that went sour.

578
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:28,840
Those kind of things really make you take a deeper look inside.

579
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,440
And when you do, you really have to look at all your flaws and all the good and
all the

580
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:42,680
bad and decide how you want to see them or feel about them and evaluate all the
emotions

581
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:52,320
and really you fix your inner stuff and your inner self inside on another level.

582
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,800
And I've spent years doing that.

583
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,120
And in the process, just to get to know myself or understand what happened to
me, why I was

584
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,720
the way I was.

585
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:03,320
So yeah, there's been a lot of inner growth.

586
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,480
And in that kind of a process, people often have their relationships either get
a lot

587
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,440
better or a lot worse.

588
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,880
The divorce rate with experiencers is really high.

589
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Like 70 some percent.

590
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
I have never heard a specific percent.

591
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,760
I thought I heard somewhere around there, but I could be wrong too.

592
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,760
And that would be within how many years?

593
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,240
You know, five years or something.

594
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:28,600
I don't know.

595
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:34,040
But I just know I've had a lot of people on the show that had a wonderful
experience

596
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,960
and then were divorced within two years after.

597
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,960
Yeah.

598
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,960
So.

599
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,960
Yeah.

600
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,840
So I got divorced.

601
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:52,480
My marriage, my marriage ended pretty fast within a year spiritually in that
sense.

602
00:38:52,480 --> 00:39:01,200
But it took me probably a total of six years to go through the whole process of
getting

603
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,200
divorced.

604
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,200
No.

605
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,200
Okay.

606
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,600
Well, thank you for sharing.

607
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,040
I want to get back to one other thing and then we'll wrap up here pretty quick.

608
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:18,080
This love that you felt during your NDE, which you expressed very well.

609
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,240
And I think it was more than just oxytocin, by the way.

610
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:25,200
I think that I think that was a good metaphor that you were using, though.

611
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,520
But my question is, where do you think that came from?

612
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:36,520
I, you know, it's funny because like I said, when I was in my NDE, I was outside

613
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:41,640
my body, the space that I was in, it was light and luminescent.

614
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,040
And I was clear.

615
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,360
I was part of it.

616
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,360
I was in it.

617
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,760
So it was, there was no, there was no start or end or beginning.

618
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,640
There was no, it didn't come and it didn't appear.

619
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,080
It was just there, like the light in the room.

620
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,080
Right.

621
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,440
But you said you felt this intense love, right?

622
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,440
Yeah.

623
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,880
It's almost like if you were to, you know how some lights have dimswitch so you
can

624
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,080
take the light in your room and you can admit and then you can also light it.

625
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,760
So it was a light that just got switched up and it became more light.

626
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,760
Yeah.

627
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,320
So I'm asking a really difficult question that maybe you haven't thought about
before.

628
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,880
Where do you think the feeling of love came from?

629
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,400
Do you believe in a God that provided that?

630
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,720
Do you think it was from you?

631
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,840
Do you think it was from this female voice?

632
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,640
Where did it come from?

633
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:39,160
That came from inside me, but I don't know where my inside was because I was
clear, but

634
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,600
it came from me.

635
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,600
Okay.

636
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,120
So it wasn't from any kind of outside presence?

637
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,120
No.

638
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,960
That you were feeling?

639
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,160
It ignited from within here, out.

640
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,400
It came from here.

641
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,640
Like when I saw it was almost like the light came out.

642
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,560
The feeling and emotion came out of me.

643
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,960
Like I was the center and it exuded out of me into space.

644
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Why would that happen all of a sudden?

645
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,680
That doesn't happen every day that all this love just pours out of you like
that.

646
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,800
No, actually it does.

647
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Eric, it does.

648
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,960
That's awesome.

649
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,840
You know, I have to say something here.

650
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,320
I've pondered about this a lot.

651
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:32,680
From my near-death experience, I was one of those people that could tap into
love in such

652
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:40,520
a way that it was indescribable.

653
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:48,800
When I described the physical like tears and oxytocin release where I could feel
the chemical

654
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:54,840
feeling right inside my nose here, I could taste it.

655
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,720
I never knew what it was.

656
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,360
I even Googled it.

657
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,360
I asked my doctors and the closest thing that I've heard was that's oxytocin
release.

658
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,880
And apparently that's what it is.

659
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,120
But for me, I was feeling that way before.

660
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:17,400
I told you when I started my life late, my first child, I didn't have my first
child

661
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,200
until I was 31.

662
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,480
So I was not a young mother.

663
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,720
I was what's considered a mature mother.

664
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,240
That's not that old.

665
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,680
Well, yeah, now I know that.

666
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,880
But at the time, you know, I spent my entire youth thinking at 30.

667
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,400
You know, at 30, we think we're old.

668
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,360
But at the time, I thought I spent my entire life thinking I couldn't have kids.

669
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:44,520
So when I had it, when I had them, I was like blessed with a miracle baby,
right?

670
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:53,080
So I was tapping into oxytocin release love molecules three, four, five times a
day.

671
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,760
Every time I would nurse, I would just speak.

672
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,600
It was almost like I would have to take a breath.

673
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,160
I don't know where that came from.

674
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,680
But I thought that was normal.

675
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,600
Most people can't describe the feeling of love as well as you can.

676
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,600
I love love.

677
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Yeah.

678
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:16,320
I'm very familiar with how love feels, tastes, looks, sounds, smells, all of it,
all my senses.

679
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,320
Awesome.

680
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,200
They're tuned to love.

681
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:26,600
You mentioned to me the other day the idea of high vibration or high frequency.

682
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,360
Would you expound on that a little bit?

683
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,360
What does that mean?

684
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,860
How does it apply here?

685
00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:36,760
We were talking about what's considered high frequency and low or high frequency
and energy,

686
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,760
right?

687
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,760
Yes.

688
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,440
Or as far as how it affects us humans on a human level.

689
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,240
Well, and what is it?

690
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,560
Where does it come from?

691
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Is that is that placed on emotions?

692
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,360
Is that placed on anger?

693
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:51,960
Where does it come from?

694
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:52,960
Okay.

695
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,880
Now we're talking about my favorite topic and my favorite subject, which is one
of the

696
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,480
after things that I got into.

697
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Yeah.

698
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,800
So now we're getting into the good stuff, my favorite part.

699
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,600
We know that everything is a frequency vibration down to an atom.

700
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,800
Everything to the molecule is frequency.

701
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Everything has its own distinct frequency to the point to where every object,
everything,

702
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,560
everything, everything is a frequency individual individually.

703
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:34,480
So when it comes to us humans, we are a bag of biochemicals, right?

704
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:40,640
We are ingredients which have specific frequency.

705
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,360
What a great way to put it.

706
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:43,360
Yeah.

707
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,720
So, a bag of biochemicals.

708
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:46,720
Yeah.

709
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,720
So everything about us has a frequency.

710
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,920
Your every thought has a frequency.

711
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,840
Every emotion has a frequency.

712
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:04,000
And every thought and every emotion, whether together or separate has a
byproduct of another

713
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,440
frequency.

714
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:13,000
So when the frequency of the mind thoughts and the frequency of emotions are
matched,

715
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,600
what you get is the creation of the frequency of that which is usually positive.

716
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,800
Now even same thing with negative.

717
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,400
If you have negative thoughts and negative emotions, when they meet together,
you get

718
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,200
the byproduct of that frequency which is a negative experience.

719
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,640
So it's all frequency, matched the frequency and that's what we get.

720
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:40,560
So when we were talking about frequency, right, what it is and how it affects
us.

721
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,560
Yes.

722
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:48,560
So you are an accumulation of every thought and every emotion you have ever
held.

723
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,880
I am the accumulation of every thought and emotion and experience I've ever had.

724
00:45:53,880 --> 00:46:02,560
Now based on that is what we become, how we are, right?

725
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,680
Healthy person versus an unhealthy person.

726
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,360
The difference is it's the thoughts and the emotions that created the
experience.

727
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,680
Well and can't we choose some of that though?

728
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:20,440
Instead of me just being this bag of biomass of everything that's happened to
me, can't

729
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:28,360
I choose to let some things go and those negative things, whatever they were,
you know, whether

730
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,960
it's somebody yelling at me or something or hurting me in some way, can't I just
let those

731
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,240
go and stick with the positive ones?

732
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,720
Absolutely.

733
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:41,280
We have free will.

734
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,080
We are born with free will.

735
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,480
We are light and love.

736
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,600
We come here for an experience.

737
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:57,080
We come to learn how to think and feel to emanate love and light and that's all
this whole experience

738
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,160
in my opinion of life is, is to just do that.

739
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,400
So absolutely you can choose.

740
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:05,400
Yeah.

741
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,200
We can definitely choose.

742
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:14,240
And for me, that part about my near-death experience, the voice, the only
conversation

743
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:19,840
that I had, which was that I needed to make the decision.

744
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:31,280
I think that was also a, like a message for me here in the world here for me
that everything

745
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,400
in life here for me is a matter of my decision.

746
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Like I have to decide.

747
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Like, so that means that what is true for me is also true for you and true for
others

748
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,000
because I am, we are all one.

749
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,800
You know, there's a lot more to my other experience that we didn't get to my
spiritually

750
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,760
transformative experience.

751
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,680
Next episode, how about that?

752
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,640
I show up.

753
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Next interview.

754
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,640
Yeah.

755
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,120
But it, essentially, what was I trying to say?

756
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,840
Yeah, we get a choice.

757
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,840
It's our choice.

758
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,080
Being here is a choice.

759
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,560
How we live is a choice.

760
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,640
One last question just popped in my mind.

761
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,680
A few minutes ago, you used the term blasphemy.

762
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,200
I don't know if you realized it.

763
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Now is that because what happened to you through these experiences or what you
learned somehow

764
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,480
contradicted the religious background you grew up with?

765
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:31,480
Yep.

766
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,480
Yep.

767
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,480
Yep.

768
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,720
Yes, to all of those.

769
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:35,720
Yeah.

770
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:37,640
I don't need to explain if you don't want to.

771
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,640
That's okay.

772
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,920
Sorry, I know you said don't give me a yes, but that's a yes.

773
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,360
There was a lot of explanation behind it.

774
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,800
Yes, but the answer is yes.

775
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,960
How much fear of death do you have at this point?

776
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:52,960
Zero.

777
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,800
On a scale of one to a thousand?

778
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,800
Uh-huh.

779
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,320
Is it still zero?

780
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,320
Yeah.

781
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:00,320
Okay.

782
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,840
Lastly, why don't you leave our listeners with something just very upbeat and
positive

783
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,520
that they have to look forward to today?

784
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,920
That they truly are light.

785
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,040
They come from light.

786
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:21,080
They are light that they are love and that they get to make decisions every day
and that

787
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:30,080
they can choose different thoughts, different emotions and that life is created
by our intent

788
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:39,760
and our intention, our intention, awareness and focus and it's just a matter of
this moment

789
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:47,360
choosing something that brings a sense of love, peace or calm.

790
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:54,360
You can't fix or heal the world or everything all at once, but moment by moment,
little

791
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,720
choice by little choice, small steps, you start to move in the direction and all
we

792
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:06,280
have to do is face the direction of love and light and healing and we get sucked
right

793
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,280
into it.

794
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,280
So yeah, life is a gift.

795
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,320
We can choose to look at it in many different perspectives, but yeah, at the end
of the

796
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:16,720
day, life is a gift.

797
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:17,720
All right.

798
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:23,160
If anybody wants to reach out to you, we'll put a link in the show notes and
Lena, thanks

799
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,360
so much for being on with me today.

800
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,360
Absolutely.

801
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:36,120
Thank you for inviting me and having me and giving me an opportunity to share
the sound

802
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:42,600
and frequency of the experience that I had and then I hope that whoever needs to
and

803
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:48,240
wants to resonate with that and finds some sort of connection that that's why I
do what

804
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:49,240
I do.

805
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,040
So thank you.

806
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,840
Thanks again for listening and sharing this podcast.

807
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,920
Don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button and sign up for our
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808
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,200
If you want to share your near death experience or if you have questions or
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809
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,720
the show, send an email to Eric at roundtriptest.com.

810
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:26,200
Until then, I wish you everything good that you're looking for in this life and
the next.


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