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item.138189
Gregory Tetrault
Steven MacDonald quoted:
'For the first time, Apple is allowing owners of OS X (client version) to run
multiple virtual copies on the same machine.'
The above quote refers to the Lion EULA. The quote from the EULA:
(iii) to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of
the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac
Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software.
My understanding is that if you run Lion, you may run one or two other OS X
versions in virtual environments. However, this changes nothing for users who do
not have Lion.

item.138237
MacInTouch Reader
So, the 64 dollar question is: Can you run OLDER copies of OS 10 in a virtual
space? This would clear up my impending problem with not having Rosetta.

item.138263
Ian Cottam
If you use the free VirtualBox app to run Snow Leopard under Lion, here is a
tip: VirtualBox on Mac does not yet support Guest Additions, which are needed
for having a shared folder with the host (Lion).
What I have done is use Dropbox instead. If you already have a big, paid Dropbox
account, you probably want to use its Selective Sync feature to just keep one
folder in sync. If you use the 2GB free account -- or you open such a free
account for this purpose -- you may as well sync the whole thing.
Hope that helps some people out there.
Jul. 6, 2011
item.138297
Jonas Jöreskog
You can run older version of Mac OS X in a virtual machine as long as you don't
care about the license agreement that says that it's not allowed.

item.138303
Christopher Moss
I used DropBox as well to get my PPC app into the 10.6 server running in
VirtualBox. Easy!

item.138310
Richard Murray
A MacInTouch Reader asks - Can you run *older* copies of OS 10 in a virtual
space?
If using VirtualBox, then only as old as the OS X version that came with your
Mac. Apparently the OS X installers check to see if they can run on your model
and CPU. VirtualBox passes this information through to the VM, so the installer
will be able to check this even in the virtual environment.
This means that if you buy a new Mac that comes with Lion, you won't be able to
install an earlier version of OS X, like Snow Leopard.

item.138312
Richard Murray
Ian Cottam says that VirtualBox does not have Guest Addition support, so you
can't use shared folders. I turned on File Sharing in the System Preferences and
then shared a folder. In the OS X guest, all I needed to do is Connect to Server
(afp to the IP address currently assigned to my host Mac) and enter the User ID
and Password of my account on the host. Voila, shared folder.
My real gripe with not having Guest Addition support is that the clock on my
guest OS X tends to run about five percent slower than real time. Also Snow
Leopard as a guest for some reason ignores the Never setting in the screen
saver, whereas on a Leopard guest it works fine.

item.138338
Tim Stevens
Regarding using Dropbox, their T&C say:
'By submitting your stuff to the Services, you grant us (and those we work with
to provide the Services) worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable
rights to use, copy, distribute, prepare derivative works (such as translations
or format conversions) of, perform, or publicly display that stuff to the extent
reasonably necessary for the Service.'
Many people seem happy with these terms, but I prefer to retain ownership of my
material.
Tim.
item.138342
Larry Nolan
To Ian re:Virtual Box on Lion:
Ian, I use Virtual Box on Snow Leopard and am sharing folders fine using Virtual
Box V 4.0.8 r71778. Are you saying this sharing will not work on Lion?
Thanks.

item.138377
Ian Cottam
A couple of people say they have sharing working fine. That's great, but I'm
afraid it's not working for me.
I'm preparing for Lion by trying Snow Leopard inside a Virtualbox running on a
host Snow Leopard. VirtualBox 4.0.6.
I know there is an update, so will try that.
I haven't been part of the Lion beta, so have no knowledge of what will really
happen any day now :-)
item.138319
Jimmy D
Since my 10.6.3 DVD and 10.6.0 Server DVD were unsuccessful, and my 10.6.4 iMac
DVD made a lot more progress, I tried my 10.6.7 iMac DVD -- unfortunately with
the same result of 'can't be installed on this computer.'
Maybe it's a limitation of the processor choices available in VirtualBox when
used with newer Macs like my 2010 Mac Pro? Has anyone figured out a way to mount
VirtualBox's VDI image, so we could clone an OS installation onto it? We almost
need something like XPostFacto for VirtualBox.

Jul. 7, 2011
item.138393
Travis Butler
Regarding using Dropbox, their T&C say:
'By submitting your stuff to the Services, you grant us (and those we work with
to provide the Services) worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable
rights to use, copy, distribute, prepare derivative works (such as translations
or format conversions) of, perform, or publicly display that stuff to the extent
reasonably necessary for the Service.'
Many people seem happy with these terms, but I prefer to retain ownership of my
material.
This kind of issue has been brought up on the MacInTouch forums before in regard
to cloud-based services, and the answer is the same: In order to actually do
their work, most if not all cloud services need terms something like this. If
you store a picture on a cloud-based web album, and want a friend to view it? To
legally display the picture on another computer, the cloud service needs a
license to publicly display the image, or they're breaking your copyright on the
image. If you uploaded the picture as a TIFF file, they need a license to
prepare derivative works to convert it from TIFF to JPEG/PNG to show it in that
web browser. And so on, and so forth.
I Am Not A Lawyer, but I'd say the key terms here are 'non-exclusive' (i.e. they
aren't trying to shut you out from another cloud service), 'sublicenseable'
(i.e. an ISP or content delivery network they hire to help with load balancing
needs the same permissions) and 'to the extent reasonably necessary for the
Service.' (i.e. they can't go beyond what's needed to actually, you know, *use*
the service.)
item.138402
Fred Moore
An article on 404 Tech Support notes that Dropbox has added this sentence to its
ToS:
'This license is solely to enable us to technically administer, display, and
operate the Services.'
While this adjustment softens the concern about data privacy, SpiderOak is
suggested as a more secure alternative to Dropbox.
item.138466
MacInTouch Reader
Tim Stevens quoted the DropBox T&C, which gives them free usage of your content
to do pretty much anything with it.
'Many people seem happy with these terms, but I prefer to retain ownership of my
material.'
I totally agree.
Amazon Cloud Drive also asserts a pretty open-ended clause in its T&C, which
essentially allows them to do whatever they want with your data in the name of
providing the service:
'You give us the right to access, retain, use and disclose your account
information and Your Files: to provide you with technical support and address
technical issues; to investigate compliance with the terms of this Agreement,
enforce the terms of this Agreement and protect the Service and its users from
fraud or security threats; or as we determine is necessary to provide the
Service or comply with applicable law.'
That last part 'or as we determine necessary to provide the Service' is their
get-out-of-jail-free card. Again, most people won't be bothered by this, but I
also prefer to retain exclusive ownership of my data.
For potential copyright-infringers, 'investigate compliance with the terms of
this Agreement' means they can/will scan your stuff and report any pirated
materials to the RIAA, MPAA etc.

item.138472
Brad Hurte
Richard Murray writes:
'Can you run *older* copies of OS 10 in a virtual space? If using VirtualBox,
then only as old as the OS X version that came with your Mac. Apparently the OS
X installers check to see if they can run on your model and CPU. VirtualBox
passes this information through to the VM, so the installer will be able to
check this even in the virtual environment. This means that if you buy a new Mac
that comes with Lion, you won't be able to install an earlier version of OS X,
like Snow Leopard.'
Is this true for just VirtualBox, or does VMWare also do such checking?

Jul. 11, 2011
item.138720
Christopher Moss
I had successfully installed 10.6 server on a 2009 MBP in VirtualBox, but found
it ran very, very slowly. I could not install it on a 2011 MBP: the verbose
screen said there was a panic from an unrecognised processor. As this was the
DVD of the first release of 10.6, I bought a new copy of 10.6.3 to try that DVD
- same result. So I bit the bullet and bought an unopened copy of 10.6 Server
from eBay (half price!) and installed it in Parallels. It works perfectly and is
quite snappy. I can run the PPC app I need right from its situation in the host
OS Apps folder (configure the VM to map Mac volumes to virtual machine). With
this and SheepShaver I can get paid, even if I have to buy a new Mac with Lion
installed. I have bought a couple of refurbished iMacs to set up this way for
the day when my G5 Power Mac dies.

Aug. 1, 2011
item.140841
Brad Kopernicus
I have my new Mac Mini that came with Lion. I want to run Snow Leopard in
VirtualBox, but the install process always hangs at the end of the line starting
with 'Loading SystemLibraryCachescom.apple.kext.cachesStartupExtensions.mkext'
and ending with a lot of dots. I see a lot of cpu activity jumping between
different cpus, but no disk activity.
I found some web sites that say they have Snow Leopard running as a VirtualBox
guest in Lion, but they are not using the latest Mini hardware. I found one site
that said they dual boot a new Mini (so Snow Leopard will run on the new Mini),
but had to use an older Mac to install Snow Leopard in Target Disk Mode, because
the installer would not run on the new cpu. Most reports of Snow Leopard in
VirtualBox are running in Windows.
Does anyone know how to make this work?

Aug. 2, 2011
item.140879
David Charlap
Brad Kopernicus wrote:
'I have my new Mac Mini that came with Lion. I want to run Snow Leopard in
VirtualBox, but the install process always hangs .. I found some web sites that
say they have Snow Leopard running as a VirtualBox guest in Lion, but they are
not using the latest Mini hardware.'
That's exactly it.
VIrtualBox is a virtualizer - it makes virtual instances of your underlying
hardware.
This is very different from (for example) Basilisk, SheepShaver, PearPC or
VirtualPC - these all emulate entire systems.
With an emulator, you can run any software compatible with the emulated
platform, regardless of the host platform.
With a virtualizer, you can (generally) only run software compatible with the
host platform. Which means only versions of Mac OS compatible with your
hardware.
In order to run Mac OS X prior to 10.7 on the newest 'Lion-only' systems, you'll
need something that emulates an older-generation Mac. I don't know if any such
packages exist at this time (aside from some that emulate very old Macs,
suitable for running various versions of classic Mac OS.)

item.140942
Brad Kopernicus
David Charlap responded to my question about running Snow Leopard in VirtualBox
on a new Mini, suggesting it won't work. ZDNet has an article, 'How to install
Snow Leopard on a brand-new Lion-based Mac', explaining how they did it. They
installed on the Mini's disk in target mode, and then booted into Snow Leopard.
Based on that, I deduce it should work in virtualization, too. I suspect my
problem is that the Snow Leopard installer is failing in VirtualBox because of
the hardware, as it would if I tried to install it directly. I don't get an
error message, just a lot of CPU cycles being used.
Unfortunately, I don't have another Mac capable of running Snow Leopard. If I
did, I would run VirtualBox on that machine, create my desired VirtualBox disk
image, copy it to my new mini where VirtualBox is running, and it should work. I
wonder if the local Apple store would let me try this on one of their computers?

Aug. 3, 2011
item.140979
Steven MacDonald
Re:
'Unfortunately, I don't have another Mac capable of running Snow Leopard. If I
did, I would run VirtualBox on that machine, create my desired VirtualBox disk
image, copy it to my new Mini where VirtualBox is running, and it should work.'
I tried this with a 10.6.7 host and it didn't work.
Trying to install Snow Leopard (possibly 10.6.0 or 10.6.1 installer DVD) within
VirtualBox on my 2010 27' iMac (i7) didn't work. However it did work (slowly) on
my 2009 MacBook Pro (Core2Duo). I copied the virtual disk from the MacBook over
to the iMac and tried running it from there. No luck.
I get the same 'unsupported CPU' message as when I tried to install SL from the
DVD directly to the iMac.

item.140989
Gregory Tetrault
Brad Kopernicus said:
'.. ZDNet has an article, 'How to install Snow Leopard on a brand-new Lion-based
Mac'..'
The article may have an error. It recommends installation of OS X 10.6.5. I
believe that some of the new Mac computers require 10.6.8. Try that version with
VirtualBox on your Mac Mini.

Aug. 4, 2011
item.141093
Ralph Strauch
I've installed Snow Leopard on my 2011 MacBook Pro in VirtualBox using the
install disk that came with the MBP. The first step was to format the VM hard
drive using Disk Utility from the install disk, which did mount in VBox. Once it
was formatted, I was able to install SL.
After it installed, I couldn't get SL to boot, though. Vbox just kept rebooting
from the install disk and reinstalling SL again. I finally quit Vbox and removed
the install disk, then restarted Vbox and SL booted. The problem turned out to
be the fact that the default boot order in Vbox preferred the DVD over the hard
drive.
I haven't done much with it yet. I haven't gotten shared folders to work, and
the Vbox instructions say that requires additions that aren't available in OSX
clients. I have gotten an external hard drive to mount, so can transfer files
that way. My Snow Leopard is 10.6.6, so I'll see if I can copy 10.6.8 to the VM
and update that way.

item.141133
Tom Stiller
You can also use file sharing between the virtual and real machines.

Aug. 5, 2011
item.141147
Bill Helsabeck
Your VirtualBox installation will most likely show as 'Shared' in the Finder
sidebar of the root disk of the virtual machine, your 'mother ship' (host)
computer. Through that connection, either through the User folder or the main
disk icon, *all* the files on the host computer are available to the VirtualBox
computer.
I don't think you need the 'shared folders' normally available via 'Guest
Additions'.

item.141186
Steven MacDonald
Re:
'I've installed Snow Leopard on my 2011 MacBook Pro in VirtualBox using the
install disk that came with the MBP.'
I thought someone posted that one had to use a purchased 10.6 DVD (since it
includes the server on it thus 'spoofing' VirtualBox into installing). My
purchased copy is 10.6.0 which won't work on my 2010 iMac.
I carved out 124 GB (that's the smallest partition Disk Utility would let me
create) of my 2 TB drive and installed a 2nd copy of 10.6 prior to my 10.7
upgrade. Since I'm trying to run a PPC version of Adobe CS this still might be a
better solution despite the hassle of rebooting but I'll give VirtualBox another
try.

item.141189
Gary Bender
After all the reads on virtualizing Snow Leopard via VirtualBox, I decided to
give it a go. On a 2010 iMac running Lion, I installed VirtualBox 4.1 and then
used my original Snow Leopard disks to install on the vbox - flawless almost -
updated great, apps installed, but I can't get the Guest Additions to install so
I can set up sharing and expand the screen size at resolution - any ideas on how
to get the Guest Additions to install? Thanks!

Aug. 8, 2011
item.141220
Michael Durisseau
I wish I could get that to work backwards, i.e., a Snow Leopard host with Lion
guest..

item.141257
Bill Helsabeck
For Gary Bender..
The Guest Additions aren't available for Snow Leopard. I'm not sure you really
need them, as all the 'stuff' on the Host computer is available through the
'Shared' portal in your Virtual Snow Leopard Finder window.

item.141258
Ralph Strauch
Gary Bender asks about installing Guest Additions in a VirtualBox Snow Leopard
virtual machine. The Vbox manual says that Guest Additions aren't supported for
Mac OS Guest systems (p. 190). It actually talks about Mac OS server guests, but
applies to standard Snow Leopard guests as well.
As Bill Helsabeck points out, file sharing is still possible through networking.
I'm finding that with 'Host only' networking selected in vbox and file sharing
selected in both, each system (guest and host) will show up as shared on the
other. I don't get a good connection with NAT networking (the default) selected,
though.

item.141334
Michael Newbery
Re: Gary Bender's note:
'.. I can't get the Guest Additions to install so I can set up sharing and
expand the screen size at resolution - any ideas on how to get the Guest
Additions to install?'
There are none, yet. From http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Guest_OSes
'Mac OS X Server (Leopard, Snow Leopard) Works without Additions'
As of late last year, Guest additions to allow sound etc were still unfinished.
http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=34317

Aug. 10, 2011
item.141485
James Walker
Michael Durisseau said:
'I have a Lion VM working on a Snow Leopard host.. I'm using the newest
VirtualBox..'
How? I tried VirtualBox 4.1, and depending on whether I try to use
InstallESD.dmg or a DVD burned from that, either I get an EFI shell prompt, or a
message saying 'This version of Mac OS X is not supported on this platform'.

Aug. 22, 2011
item.142322
Alfred Cellier
I'm using VirtualBox 4.1.12. I was able to create an Snow Leopard VM on Snow
Leopard host, using the retail DVD then updating to 10.6.8. Then I booted Lion
(updated to 10.7.1) and ran VirtualBox there.
A few days back, the VM readily started up, and I was able to run Office 2004
(Excel and Word; PowerPoint crashed).
But today, the VM startup hangs at 'Still waiting for root device'. Maybe the
vdi got corrupted? Does anyone know any tricks to reboot, or is there a way to
do fsck on the vdi?
Aug. 23, 2011
item.142473
Alfred Cellier
I booted from the install disk, to use Disk Utility within the VM. DU saw *no*
problems with the VDI.
Strangely, after a few more start-up attempts, the VM was off and running. Got
screen caps of Excel 2004 running in the Snow Leopard guest in Lion host.
Now today we are again 'still waiting for root device'.
Seems like Russian Roulette, only much less fatal.

Aug. 24, 2011
item.142503
MacInTouch Reader
Can someone help please? With the latest VirtualBox I get the OS 10.6 installer
up and running, it asks me to choose a disk to install on, but no disks are
listed.
When I created the disk image with Virtual Box, I chose OS X, not 64 bit, and
tried both fixed and dynamic images, using the default VDI type. How do I get it
to see my virtual disk file?

Aug. 25, 2011
item.142607
Peter Teeson
To add to the information on this topic, here is my experience.
(0) Installed guest Snow Leopard 10.6 into VBox 4.1.0 with host being SL 10.6.8
(1) did SW Update of guest to 10.6.8
(2) Installed Win XP SP3 guest into VBox 4.1.0 with host being SL 10.6.8
(3) played around with both guests. Seems to work.
Note: the VM's were on a separate partition (my VBoxVMs HD), so they are
accessible when I boot into Lion.
(4) Booted into Lion 10.7.1 and updated VBox to 4.1.2
(5) Copied the SL host Users/<me>/Virtual Box VM's folder over to Lion
Users/<me>/
(6)Launched VBox and did Add. from the Machine menu.
Navigated to my VBoxVMs HD partiton and selected
the vdi files.
(7) Started them.
(8) Added the Windows Guest Additions
(9) Started both VM guests.
So far it all seems to work.
Including mouse working in host and guest without having to use the left command
key.
Note: Previously I had fiddled with some of the VBox settings for the Mac guest.
But this proved to be the wrong thing to do. Setting them back to default fixed
the issues. [..]
Aug. 26, 2011
item.142684
Alfred Cellier
Following Peter Teeson's clue to accept VirtualBox defaults, I created a new VM
using the old VDI. It worked the first time.
When I added my existing second hd vdi, the VM again hung 'still waiting for
root device'. We took off the second vdi, and the VM again started. On occasions
when the VM *did* start with both vdi's, I had run Disk Utility and Disk Warrior
and both worked fine.
I used VB's Media Manager to copy the main vdi to form a third vdi. This pair
seems to coexist properly. Apparently, the second vdi had an unseen problem.
Oct. 5, 2011
item.144544
Steve Maser
I'm curious if anybody has a workaround for this..
With Virtual Box (now upgraded to 4.1.4) running Windows 7 32-bit and with
Office 2010 installed on Mac OSX 10.7.1, I am able to copy/paste from/to Word
2010 to/from my Mac apps without problem.
I can copy *from* the Mac apps to Excel 2010 without problem.
But I can't copy *from* Excel 2010 to any Mac apps. (I can copy from Excel 2010
to Word 2010 within VB without problem.)
Anybody know of a fix/workaround for this? I filed a bug with Virtual Box when
we noticed this with 4.1.2, but it's still an issue with 4.1.4
Thanks!
Oct. 6, 2011
item.144666
Steven Wicinski
One thing you need to take into account with copy/paste from Excel is that Excel
has always (and for reasons I've never looked into and can't imagine make any
sense to me, but I'm sure they do to other people) had a weird copy routine. You
copy a cell, and then try to paste it. But hit a key or hit escape or start
typing elsewhere and your copy selection is no longer in the 'clipboard' (not
that it seems to be there anyway). This is probably why it is flaky with Mac
apps to VirtualBox.

item.144683
David Charlap
Steve Maser asks about VirtualBox's shared clipboard.
I've seen this as well. VirtualBox doesn't seem to handle shared clipboards very
well.
On my Windows Vista PC, I can only copy text one-way across the shared clipboard
(like what you're seeing.) On my Linux PC, I can't share the clipboard in either
direction.
This is a long-standing bug. Wake up time pro 1.2.1. I don't know why it hasn't
been fixed yet.
I have installed the VBox extensions in my guest operating system (Linux, in my
case) and I have enabled 2-way clipboard sharing in the VM's configuration.

item.144689
John Muccigrosso
Regarding Steve Maser's problem with VBox and copies from Excel, I suspect this
has to do with Microsoft's long-runing insistence on doing copies their own way.
On the Mac, for example, they don't use the clipboard in the standard way,
leading to those annoying 'Do you want to save the large clipboard?' queries,
and in Excel the way that the copied material gets forgotten if you do certain
trivial things.
Anyway, my workaround was - and I don't use VBox regularly anymore - to paste
into Notepad and then copy from there again, cursing MS all the while.
Far from ideal, but it worked.

Oct. 7, 2011
item.144744
David Charlap
John Muccigrosso wrote:
'Microsoft's long-runing insistence on doing copies their own way. On the Mac,
for example, they don't use the clipboard in the standard way, leading to those
annoying 'Do you want to save the large clipboard?' queries..'
This particular situation is not a bug.
The clipboard (on both MacOS and Windows) can be used in two ways when
performing a cut/copy. You can actually write data to it, or you can simply give
the clipboard a reference to yourself.
When someone pastes, if the data is in the clipboard, the OS provides the data
directly. If there is a reference, then the OS sends a message to the app that
placed the reference - the app responds to the message by providing the data,
which the OS then gives to the pasting app.
The 'copy data' approach is preferable when there's a small amount of data, or
when you know the app is going to terminate or otherwise lose track of the
copied data.
The 'copy reference' approach is preferable when the data is large, because you
don't need to duplicate all that data at cut/copy time, and the OS won't have to
retain the data for an extended period of time (until the next cut/copy.) If the
data is never pasted, or if the data is only pasted into the source app, the
system clipboard never has to see the data, saving a lot of overhead.
Of course, if you don't put the data on the clipboard, and then you quit, then
it's not available for anyone to paste. This is why apps that use this approach
will typically push the data onto the clipboard when quitting (asking you for
confirmation if it's a lot of data.)
But I don't think this has anything to do with the VirtualBox problem. An app
pasting doesn't know or care if the source placed data or a reference on the
clipboard.

item.144754
Gregory Tetrault
Steven Wicinski wrote:
'.. Excel has always (and for reasons I've never looked into and can't imagine
make any sense to me..)'
When you select one or more cells in an Excel spreadsheet and do a Copy or Cut,
Excel doesn't just copy the visible contents of the cells. It copies the
underlying formulas (if any); the general formatting info (font, font size, font
style, borders, shading, cell dimensions, etc.); special formatting for number
fields (number of decimal places, regular format or scientific notation,
currency and currency format, etc.), zip code fields, telephone number fields,
Social Security number fields, date and time fields (data and time as seconds
since 1/1/1904 and display format such as YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM), etc.
The contents of Excel cells usually transfer cleanly to other applications on
the same platform via Copy or Cut and Paste. This doesn't always work when going
across platforms. If you need to Copy and Paste only cell values between
platforms, the simplest workaround is to Copy the cells, Paste into a text
editor (on the same platform), recopy the data (so that the clipboard only has
the cell values), and paste it into the desired application on the other
platform. If you need to copy the underlying formatting and formulas, it often
is simpler to save the spreadsheet, copy the entire .xls file to the other
platform, open it there, and copy and paste the parts you need.

Oct. 8, 2011
item.144839
John Muccigrosso
Two experienced gentlemen have commented on Excel copy/paste.
To David Charlap's claim that there are two ways to handle 'copy', I can only
respond that I never seen the 'large clipboard' warning except when quitting a
Microsoft app, and I have surely quit other apps with larger clipboards than
they are referring to. So maybe they're just the only apps being nice to me, but
I have my doubts.
Greg Tetrault's comments seem to address a slightly different issue. Whatever it
is that Excel has to copy, it very clearly forgets that material after the user
does any one of a number of ordinary tasks, like typing in a cell. Why on earth
does that happen? It's just not the way copy and paste works anywhere else (that
I know of), and it's surely not the way it's supposed to work on a Mac. In fact
copy/paste was part of the whole revolutionary impact of the Mac: you copied
from one app, quit it (back in the day), opened a new one, and pasted! From the
now dead app! OMG! Excel can't even do that now when it's still running.
But that it does this weird thing makes me think that, pace David, it is
Microsoft copy/paste weirdness that is at fault in the VBox situation. In my
experience VBox copied with every other app I used (not that this is a long
list), but not MS' own Excel. I remain unconvinced that they aren't simply doing
it 'wrong.'
Happy to be proved wrong myself. :-)

Oct. 11, 2011
item.144962
David Charlap
In response to John Muccigrosso's comments:
The two methods of putting data on the clipboard (by value and by reference) is
not in dispute. The low-level APIs support both methods. This is the case for
Mac OS, Windows and OS/2. I've written clipboard-handling code for all three
platforms and know this well.
As for Excel, you and Greg are correct that it does not follow the rules for
clipboards. It deliberately expunges the clipboard after certain operations
(editing new cells, or completing a 'paste' with the Enter key instead of CMD-V,
etc.) I'm pretty sure it does this by always performing a copy by reference, and
then returns a 'no data' error if an external app tries to paste after its
internal clipboard is expunged. This violates many rules and, IMO, is wrong.
What I think might be going on is one of data representation. Mac OS, Windows
and OS/2 all allow data to be placed on the clipboard in multiple
representations. For example, a word processor might copy data as plain-text, in
the system's rich-text format, as a bitmap, and with a proprietary format. An
app that pastes the data will request the representation it best supports
(possibly after querying the available representations) and get the data in that
representation. This is why, for instance, when you copy and paste within Word
or TextEdit, you'll get the text with its formatting, but you can also paste
into a simple text editor and get unformatted text.
Looking at what Excel does (on Windows, since my Mac isn't nearby right now),
when I selected a rectangular region of cells and did a copy, it put 33
different representations on the Windows clipboard! This includes several
different meta-file representations, several different bitmaps, DIF, CSV,
several different kinds of text (both formatted and unformatted), seven
different Microsoft-proprietary formats (corresponding to the seven different
Excel file formats that existed when Excel 2003 was released), and a dozen or so
'link' formats used for different kinds of object-linking activities.
I think this explains why Microsoft always does a copy-by-reference. If they put
all this data on the clipboard for every copy operation, it would have to
generate data for all these representations. With a reference, it only has to
tell Windows that the representations exist, and will only generate specific
representations when requested (during paste processing.) It also explains why
they ask you to 'preserve' clipboard data on shutdown - it can use a lot of
memory to render the clipboard into all of these formats, which must be done if
the clipping is going to remain available after application shutdown.
As for what's going in Virtualbox, that's a more interesting question. The fact
that you can copy/paste data between other apps means your VB is working OK
(unlike what I see on my systems.) It may be that the VB clipboard code is
getting confused at the sight of this many different representations. It may
give up and ignore them all. It might also not support all of these
representations at once - if it is only going to select a subset (or just one)
it might be selecting representations that are incompatible with the app
receiving the paste.
I don't have an answer for you, but hopefully a plausible explanation.

Oct. 12, 2011
item.145040
John Muccigrosso
Thanks to David Charlap for the detailed info regarding copy/paste!
I'm curious whether there are other apps that give the 'Save large clipboard?'
message upon quitting. David has explained why it happens, but I'm curious
whether non-MS apps exhibit this behavior.

Oct. 13, 2011
item.145080
Gregory Tetrault
John Muccigrosso asked about
..other apps that give the 'Save large clipboard?' message upon quitting.
Canvas always asks about saving a large clipboard. (I don't know what cutoff
Canvas uses for 'large.') In contrast, GraphicConverter never asks even when it
generates clipboard images that are hundreds of megabytes.

Oct. 22, 2011
item.145848
Ralph Strauch
I'm trying to set up shared folders between a Virtualbox Snow Leopard VM and the
host Lion system, when Lion doesn't have an Internet connection. I originally
set up the Snow Leopard VM so that I could use apps like Canvas. I was able to
transfer the app and a number of Canvas files to the VM, though right now I
can't remember how. I think it may have involved getting the VM to connect
through Lion's interconnection. I can't do that now, though, because I'm
traveling in my motorhome and can't connect Lion directly to the internet.
When I travel like this, I've tethered my Mac through my Verizon cell phone.
This worked very well until I updated to Lion, when I found that Verizon doesn't
support connecting my 32bit phone to 64bit Lion. I was able to connect through
my Snow Leopard VM, though, which is what I'm doing right now. But I can't
connect the VM to Lion, so I have two distinct disconnected systems -- the VM I
can use for email and browsing, and my main system where everything else lives.
Vbox doesn't support shared folder for a Mac OS guest, so it seems like some
form of networking between the two would be the way to go.
I've tried various combinations of Network CP settings in both systems. If I
assign the VM a manual IP address, then it shows up as being connected to
ethernet, but whatever I do in the Lion Network CP, it continues to show
ethernet as 'not connected.' If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate them.

Nov. 23, 2011
item.147799
MacInTouch Reader
I finally have all the PPC apps except one off my 2009 Mac Pro in preparation
for upgrading to Lion. Quicken 2007 is the lone PPC app left and finally decided
to just run it in a Snow Leopard VirtualBox.
Set up a VirtualBox Snow Leopard guest running on my Snow Leopard host, in
preparation for updating the host to Lion. Installed the application Quicken
2007 and everything runs fine.
What I can't figure out how to do is increase the screen resolution in the
VirtualBox guest from the default (and only choice) of 1024x768 to my monitor's
resolution of 1600x1024.
Lots of tips found via Google on how to do this *ifF* I was running a Snow
Leopard guest on a Window host, but can't find how to do this running on a Snow
Leopard host.
If anyone has done this and can offer some guidance, I would be most
appreciative.
Nov. 25, 2011
item.147908

Paul R
I found this link for adjusting the resolution. Scroll to the bottom for the
Post Installation steps.
Install Mac OS X 10.6.5 Snow Leopard on VirtualBox - Several Issues Fixed

item.147929
Scott Bayes
Re:
What I can't figure out how to do is increase the screen resolution in the
VirtualBox guest from the default (and only choice) of 1024x768 to my monitor's
resolution of 1600x1024.
I just installed SL on Lion with VirtualBox and also have only a tiny 1024x768
window on my 2560x1440 27' iMac.
Unfortunately, it appears that the only way to increase virtual screen size (and
accomplish other worthy objectives, such as sharing folders with Lion, using
more than 1 core, etc) is to install the *non-existent* 'Guest Additions for Mac
OS X'. Oracle is pretty clear that this software addition does not exist now and
<mumble mumble> in the future.
For me, lacking of folder/drive sharing is a worse handicap than the small
window size.

Nov. 26, 2011
item.147975
Paul R
I, too, found that the lack of the folder sharing in VirtualBox was a big
problem. To work around this issue, I changed the network connection to a
Bridged connection instead of the NAT. This allows the Snow Leopard VM to see
the host and allowed standard Mac OS X disk sharing, which provided the
capability that I needed to pass files between Lion and Snow Leopard. Copying
and Pasting unfortunately also does not appear to be supported with VirtualBox.

item.147977
Wil Nelson
I use DropBox to transfer files between machines. Sync sometimes takes awhile on
large files but there is always something else to do in the mean time.

item.147988
MacInTouch Reader
See: How to Increase Mac OS X Snow Leopard Virtual Machine Screen Resolution on
VirtualBox and VMware
item.147991
Wil Nelson
Installed Snow Leopard in VirtualBox 4.1.6 using TonyMacX86 MultiBeast as the
boot loader. Snow Leopard works OK in Virtual Box 4.1.6 with some minor oddities
such as 'About this Mac' not being available, as the VM merely restarts when
trying to access About this Mac. There may be other oddities but I am not aware
of them.
Figured out how to get USB stick recognized without Guest Additions, as
Additions cannot be installed for the Mac OS. Before starting Snow Leopard in
the VM, go to VM Settings/Ports, insert desired USB stick in rear USB port on
MacBook Pro (I think this maybe the same USB bus the keyboard uses), and click
the + sign on the right, so that the USB stick is listed; unplug the USB stick.
Start the Snow Leopard VM, and after the desktop comes up, insert the USB stick
in the rear USB port. If you get a small white button with an orange dot in it
in the USB icon at the bottom right hand corner of the Virtual Box window, it
will mount. If it does not mount, click the USB icon in the Virtual Box Window
to see that the USB stick is checked and the name of the stick is *not* grayed
out. If it is grayed out, remove the USB stick, quit Snow Leopard, and Start the
SL VM again. Try again to see if the USB stick is recognized.
To get a screen resolution other than the default, use the information provided
for Method 1 in this link. <PCWiz Computer - [Mac OSx86] How To Change
Resolution (VMware)> I tried the second Method, altering the .plist, but could
not get it to work. Method 1 has to be entered at the boot prompt at every
launch.
I used Snow Leopard in Virtual Box to run Quicken 2006 rather than run between
computers. I wish Intuit/Quicken would come up with a release that has the
attributes of Quicken 2006 that will run in Lion. Quicken Essentials is nice but
does not have the reports showing both income and expense (debit and credits) in
one report that can list up to a full year in a single window. I currently run
Windows Quicken 2009 in CrossOver (wine) but continue to keep Quicken 2006 going
in the hopes that soon Intuit will release an acceptable version of Quicken for
Lion.
item.147996
MacInTouch Reader
VirtualBox access to the host machine drives works very well without needing the
non-existant extensions. Make sure you've got file sharing turned on in the host
OS and then use 'Connect to Server' in the guest's finder to connect to
afp://10.0.2.2. Log in using the host credentials and you can drag any disks or
folders to the dock for easy access. Just go easy on modifying anything from the
guest that the host might have open.

Nov. 28, 2011
item.148041
MacInTouch Reader
MacInTouch Reader wrote:
VirtualBox access to the host machine drives works very well without needing the
non-existant extensions. Make sure you've got file sharing turned on in the host
OS and then use 'Connect to Server' in the guest's finder to connect to
afp://10.0.2.2. Log in using the host credentials.
This address only works if your host Mac is actually 10.0.2.2. When you activate
File Sharing on host, it will display the correct numbers to use.

item.148056
Ladd Morse
To: MacInTouch Reader, re:
'See: How to Increase Mac OS X Snow Leopard Virtual Machine Screen Resolution on
VirtualBox and VMware'
Unfortunately, these instructions are also for modifying a Snow Leopard guest on
a Windows host.
I tried #1, which didn't work.
Numbers 2 and 3 are specific to Windows machines, so there is no way I can try
it on my Mac host.

item.148057
Ladd Morse
To Paul R. re:
I, too, found that the lack of the folder sharing in VirtualBox was a big
problem. To work around this issue, I changed the network connection to a
Bridged connection instead of the NAT.
Worked like a charm. Thanks!

Nov. 29, 2011
item.148077
Rob Pattay
Re:
'See: How to Increase Mac OS X Snow Leopard Virtual Machine Screen Resolution on
VirtualBox and VMware'
I can confirm that option 3 does work on a Mac host. This is explained a bit
more in the VirtualBox documentation (found [here] or UserManual.pdf section
3.12.1). I have 10.6.8 running on a 10.6.8 host as well as on a 10.7 host
(everything is non-server) and both have resolutions set at 1440x900, the max
size that can be used. Still kind of small to me but better than before.

item.148095
MacInTouch Reader
MaciInTouch Reader said (regarding 10.0.2.2):
This address only works if your host Mac is actually 10.0.2.2. When you activate
File Sharing on host, it will display the correct numbers to use.
This is incorrect! VirtualBox creates a virtual server at this address which
represents the host system. To use your 'real' IP address (usually 192.168.x.x)
you might have to do a bit more work, depending on your LAN set-up. In
particular you probably need to set up IP bridging. Although it might seem
counter-intuitive, to the guest system 10.0.2.2 is *always* your host Mac. This
is the simplest way to go.

Nov. 30, 2011


VIRTUALBOX V4.1.18 FREE

item.148134
MacInTouch Reader
Dang! It does work. Now running Snow Leopard guest on a Snow Leopard host at
1440x900
Go here to find 'Method 3':
Using Terminal.app (my emphasis added),
Execute this command in VirtualBox folder:
VBoxManage setextradata 'VM name' VBoxInternal2/EfiGopMode 3
'VM name' -- Exact virtual machine name of Mac OS X, execute this command with
Quotes.
No. 3 -- this is the number of video modes. Only 5 resolutions are supported:
0 -- 640 x 480
1 -- 800 x 600
2 -- 1024 x 768
3 -- 1280 x 1024
4 -- 1440 x 900
Dec. 1, 2011
item.148202
Scott Frederick
I installed Virtualbox on my son's MacBook Pro (late 2010 model) with Window XP
installed. He wanted to run the new Star Wars The Old Republic game (he was a
beta user for new version). After hours of downloading the game, it seemed to
run but with no graphics. I think the problem was Virtualbox uses a generic
video driver, and I couldn't figure a way to make it use an Nvidia driver. So, I
was wondering if maybe if setting Virtualbox to EFI mode and then setting
resolution to highest setting would work. Thoughts anyone?

Dec. 2, 2011
item.148248
C. R. Oldham
To Scott Frederick, who is trying to run SWTOR in XP under VirtualBox: Did you
install the 'experimental' 3D driver that comes with the VirtualBox Guest
Additions? You have to reboot Windows in Safe Mode to install it.

item.148268
Dimmer
VirtualBox [didn't used to] handle 3D acceleration at all: see
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=16.
Fusion has had 'Experimental' support for DirectX 8 (nothing earlier, nothing
later) for a few revisions now. It's interesting technically, but for game
playing of any serious nature it doesn't work at all acceptably.
You could try using WINE/CrossOver Games: it's a mixed bag there as to what does
/ doesn't work.
Best solution? Boot Camp. Sucks having to reboot etc. but it works optimally for
gaming.



VIRTUALBOX V4.1.18 MAC

Dec. 3, 2011
item.148339
Jeff Hoppe
[Re: https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=16
That link [starts with] information that is over 4.5 years old.
VirtualBox has had limited 3D acceleration support for quite some time now:
May. 1, 2012
item.156587
Sam DeVore
It appears that the links for http://www.virtualbox.org are broken or the site
is down and has been by all reports for a fair number of days

May. 2, 2012
item.156628
David Charlap
Sam DeVore wrote:
'It appears that the links for http://www.virtualbox.org are broken, or the site
is down and has been by all reports for a fair number of days'
It appears that the site was down for maintenance. I can visit the site
successfully right now. When I Google for 'virtualbox site down' I find the
following as summary text below the link to virtualbox.org:
'VirtualBox. This server will be down for maintenance from Friday April 27th,
5PM PDT til Monday April 30th, 8AM PDT. Sorry for any inconveniences! ..'
But it appears that they purged the message after bringing the site back up,
since the text is not there if you actually visit the site.

item.156645
MacInTouch Reader
Virtualbox.org sites were down over the weekend, but are online again. Something
to do with server changes apparently.
Jun. 23, 2012
item.159078
MacInTouch Reader
I installed the latest VirtualBox 4.1.18 this morning. Shut down my virtual Snow
Leopard guest and VirtualBox, applied the update from 4.1.14, restarted
VirtualBox. So far, fine. But the Snow Leopard virtual machine crashes during
startup:
00:00:01.328 Changing the VM state from 'POWERING_ON' to 'RUNNING'.
00:00:01.341 EFI Panic: Unexpected trap!!
00:00:01.341 ERROR [COM]: aRC=VBOX_E_IPRT_ERROR (0x80bb0005)
aIID={09eed313-cd56-4d06-bd56-fac0f716b5dd} aComponent={Display} aText={Could
not take a screenshot (VERR_NOT_SUPPORTED)}, preserve=false
00:00:01.341
00:00:01.341 !!Assertion Failed!!
00:00:01.341 Expression: <NULL>
00:00:01.341 Location :
/Users/vbox/tinderbox/4.1-mac-rel/src/VBox/Devices/EFI/DevEFI.cpp(372) int
efiIOPortWrite(PDMDEVINS*, void*, RTIOPORT, uint32_t, unsigned int)
00:00:01.341 Unexpected trap during early EFI bootstrap!!
The Windows XP virtual machine still worked fine. I tried reinstalling the
4.1.14 version, but it crashed even faster. I deleted virtualbox from the
Application folder and used Time Machine (first time I ever needed it!) to
restore the earlier version. Works just fine again. I was not able to find
anything on the virtual box site to suggest what the problem might be.

Jun. 25, 2012
item.159133
Ralph Strauch
VirtualBox 4.1.18 also crashed on me when I tried to launch my Snow Leopard VM
and continued to crash repeatedly when I retried. I then restored an earlier
snapshot from last October, and that opened with no problem. Apparently, the
more recent snapshot had some changes in it that caused the problem, but the
earlier version was OK.

Jun. 26, 2012
item.159174
MacInTouch Reader
I had the same problem with VirtualBox 4.1.18 crashing with existing Snow
Leopard VM. My solution was simple. Set up a new Snow Leopard server VM in
VirtualBox and just point it to the .vdi that holds the Snow Leopard guest. This
worked for me with my existing (and working) non-server SL .vdi disk image.

Jul. 26, 2012
item.160588
Ralph Strauch
I use Parallels only for my Windows GPS mapping software and don't want to spend
$50 to update to version 7 (required for Mountain Lion) if I can avoid it, so
I'd like to switch my Parallels VM to VirtualBox. The VirtualBox docs say it can
only open Parallels version 2 VMs, but that more recent versions can be
converted to version 2 within Parallels. I can't find any directions on how to
do that, though. Can anyone offer advice about transferring my Parallel VM into
VirtualBox?



VIRTUALBOX 4.1.10

Aug. 13, 2012
item.161865
Daniel Sczygelski
I have a Virtual Box (version 4.0.10) virtual machine of Leopard (10.5.1)
running on a Lion host. No issues, works great. I copied Virtual Box from that
machine to another running Mountain Lion, and it now shows a zero with a slash
on the icon, and it will not run at all. When I downloaded the lastest version
to the Mountain Lion Mac, it will launch, but the virual machine fails with a
'no bootable disk' error. I have moved virtual machines around before
successfully, but this almost seems like Apple is blocking this version of
Virtual Box from running on Mountain Lion. Is that possible? If it runs on Lion,
why won't it run on Mountain Lion?

Aug. 14, 2012
item.161878
MacInTouch Reader


VIRTUALBOX V4.1.18 WINDOWS 7

RE: Older versions of Mac OS X in Virtual Box: I have found that Snow Leopard
will run in Virtual Box v4.1.18 on a Mac running Mountain Lion, but not well. It
seems slower than I would expect which may be due to lack of Mac specific guest
additions.

item.161904
MacInTouch Reader
I can't comment on Mountain Lion, but, besides VirtualBox 4.1.10, version 4.1.12
also works fine under 10.6 for running 10.6 consumer version. VirtualBox 4.1.14
stopped support and it hasn't come back. I could never get my 10.6 Server
version to run, ironically, in any version.

item.161907


VIRTUALBOX V4.1.18 VERSION

MacInTouch Reader


VIRTUALBOX V4.1.18 64

After installing Snow Leopard in Virtual Box, I was able to import the resulting
VM into Parallels. And this works fine in Lion and now in Mountain Lion.
Installing Parallels Tools and Apple software updates work, too.

item.161909
Ralph Strauch
My experience with a Snow Leopard VM in Virtual Box is similar to Daniel
Sczygelski's. I've been running VBox 4.1.18, with a VM that I set up using an
earlier version, possibly 4.1.10. It's been running fine under Lion, but I
haven't tried it since updating to Mountain Lion -- until today when I read
Daniel's post. It started up with an empty black square and went no further, so
I force-quit Vbox and tried again. Now the VM shows up as 'aborted' and and
quits as soon as I try to mount it.


VIRTUALBOX V4.1.18 WINDOWS 10

Daniel suggests that Apple might be blocking Vbox from running under Mountain
Lion. I don't think that's the case, as my Windows XP VM runs fine. It looks
like they're blocking Snow Leopard.

item.161921
MacInTouch Reader
I have Leopard running as a virtual machine under Mountain Lion, and it works
well. I use it as a print server for an old AppleTalk Apple LaserWriter printer.
One thing to do is to be sure to run it as 64 -bit and with only one processor.

item.161961
R Meyer
I sure get sick of this cat and mouse game with Apple on trying to use Snow
Leopard in a virtual environment. I had VMWare 4.1 and a SL virtual machine. Now
that won't work in ML either.
There seem to be a lot of us who just need to use a program or two that will not
run on Lion or Mountain Lion. What a big headache. The way Apple blocks Snow
Leopard, you'd think we were trying to setup another Pystar!





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