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PLANE TRAVELING AT 14,000 FEET FORCED TO TURN AROUND AFTER PASSENGERS NOTICE
'NOISIER AND COLDER' CABIN

Submitted about a month ago
 
A plane traveling from London to Orlando was missing two windowpanes when
forcing it to turn around after passengers noticed the cabin was 'noisier and
colder' An American Airlines passenger was the only one on his flight after it
was delayed by 18 hours. A plane took off from an airport near London with two
missing windowpanes, a government agency said in a recently released report. The
incident happened Oct. 6 on an Airbus A321 charter flight traveling from London
Stansted Airport… (www.foxbusiness.com) More...


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Bryan Opalka about a month ago 22
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Watch the cut and paste... the sentence "An American Airlines passenger was the
only one on his flight after it was delayed by 18 hours" is a different linked
article that has nothing to do with the window issue story.
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Jimmy Robinson about a month ago 8
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Well son of a gun. You're right. Oops! I like to proofread what I write but
somehow missed the off-topic sentence I pasted. I'll have to be more careful.
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Bayouflier about a month ago 3
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Especially since you attributed the incident to American, and there won't be a
retraction.
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mark dailey about a month ago 10
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It seems the windows were stressed/deformed by the high temps of the lights on
them as described in the article. Perhaps not apparent on a typical preflight
walkaround - even if one was looking directly at the windows. (hard to fault the
crew here)
It's fortunate they 'popped out' early in the flight while atmospheric pressure
delta was low.
It would have been much 'noisier and colder' if the panes failed 20-30 minutes
later. Yikes.
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WALLACE24 about a month ago 3
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Yikes is right. Noisier and colder aren’t near as exciting as rapid
decompression and trying to put on oxygen mask! Lol
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Colin Seftel about a month ago 8
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This was previously posted last month with more details from the investigation
by the British AAIB. See
https://www.flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/1_year/new/94134/Probe_Finds_Titan_Airways_Airbus_A321LR_Took_Off_From_London_Stansted_With_Window_Missing
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Jimmy Robinson about a month ago 6
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I didn't realize that. I did a search for squawks with keywords to check to see
if it had been posted but didn't find anything unfortunately.
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Randall Bursk about a month ago 5
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Like one of the comments mentioned, read the actual AAIB Report. Check the
website for the Charter/Commercial Service. Better information and history of
operator. Facts, no adds.
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Jimmy Robinson about a month ago 11
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This article is on Fox Business which has an error window that prevents it from
being read if an ad blocker is used, which I do use. I use ctrl A to select all,
copy, then paste everything into a word document which allows me to read the
article. A quick way to get around being blocked. And yes, I do realize that ads
are what produce the revenue that makes the news possible. But the flash ads and
ad-on-top and ads with video and sound are so annoying and distracting and
sometimes make me not want to read the article at all.
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jeff slack about a month ago 7
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You are off point with the article but you are ON-POINT with what you have
commented about ads and the need to use blockers because some pages are
overwhelmed by ads and the original content is impossible to read.
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Jimmy Robinson about a month ago 5
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I figured out what happened. I saved the article in a document and in editing it
and erasing links, I somehow missed one of the story links in the article after
it was changed to just text.
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Gloria Johns about a month ago 4
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Stop beating yourself up. Mistakes happen. You're forgiven.
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Jimmy Robinson about a month ago 2
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Thank you. I appreciate it.
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Joe Keifer about a month ago 4
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Do those who do walk-around check before pushback ever look up or are they
focused on the control surfaces, undercarriage and control surfaces only?
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jetjocknj about a month ago 2
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At some point you have to look at ALL of the airplane. (Even though these window
defects may have been next to impossible to perceive from the ground.)
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A Sellitto about a month ago 3
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How is this not a serious problem. What about a plane sitting on a desert runway
for a few hours?
A uote from the article: "The U.K. agency found an interesting culprit for the
missing windowpanes: bright lights used for a filming session involving the
plane one day before the flight.

According to the agency, the windows sustained "thermal damage and distortion"
as several lights caused elevated temperatures on the area where the windowpane
was, since the lights were illuminated for four to five and a half hours."
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William Prendergast about a month ago 2
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At 14,000 ft. the passenger's complaints shouldn't have been the only thing
alerting the pilots! Pressurization of the cabin was obviously not possible and
some kind of failure indication/warning surely was going to the cockpit by the
time they got to 14,000 if not well before!! Something not right about this
story as reported!
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ToddBaldwin3 about a month ago 3
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The middle panes were intact which led to normal cabin pressurization.
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Brian James about a month ago 1
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I guess the pre flight walk around wasn't successful
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Albert Patzke about a month ago 1
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Well the pilot who did the exterior preflight will be facing some consequences.
Especially if any security cameras catch the missing windows being missing
before pushback.
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mary susan watkins about a month ago 1
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Many years ago there was an incident of a passenger being literally sucked out
of the window on an aircraft..i believe it was a dc10 operated by then NW
airlines..
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Peter Fuller about a month ago 1
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You may be recalling this 1973 event involving a DC10:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airlines_Flight_27
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Shocker7777 about a month ago 1
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The lights appear to be LED's, there is no way from the distance shown they
could cause damage. The majority of the heat would at the rear of the fixtures
where the LED drivers are located.
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Ric Wernicke about a month ago 1
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Actually the beam from large single chip led theatrical lamps can get quite
toasty, but in an aircraft interior a good dp could shoot with a total load of
100 watts. These would be multichip lamps and the beam has no heat at all.
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mimana about a month ago 1
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"The crew member described the noise as "loud enough to damage your hearing."
After the crew member informed the pilots of the situation, they made a decision
to return to London Stansted Airport."
A decision was made: "We won't be able to cross the ocean with such noise. I say
lets go back...
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Colin Randall 23 days ago 0
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Any story that comes from the Fox stable needs to be validated very carefully

I'm told the Fox moto is 'don't let the truth get in the way of a good story'
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jstring about a month ago -12
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Just another reason to avoid Airbus
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Bill Ross about a month ago 10
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The error lies with the maintenance crew and poor preflight by the FO ad the
cabin crew
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redlaser about a month ago -4
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American air tanker gets shot down over the medditerian ocean by a Houtie
rocket, five americans die,
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redlaser about a month ago -19
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The americans have blood on their hands by supporting the Zionist fascists
government of Israel with weapons and ammunition used to murder Palestinian
children
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Rodney Burton about a month ago 6
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It seems you're unaware this is FlightAware, Mr. Doyle. Time to go home.
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redlaser about a month ago -12
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Maybe you don't watch the news, I'm keeping you informed
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Jimmy Robinson about a month ago 9
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This is not the place for it. This is a forum for aviation and posts should be
relevant to the topic at hand. Political discussion should be elsewhere, on
another site, not FlightAware. Your post is out of line.
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Peter Fuller about a month ago 5
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Beyond downvoting a post, any FlightAware member so inclined can click on
“Report” under any post, to report said post as spam.
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Jimmy Robinson about a month ago 3
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Everyone needs to report his posts.
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redlaser about a month ago -6
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Thankyou for the information, now I can have you banned for posting a "spam", ha
ha ha,
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redlaser about a month ago -10
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It's not politican when it comes to genocide being commited by the Zionist
fascists government of Israel, let's just call it murder.
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redlaser about a month ago -12
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Here is something related, isralie american F-35 jet returned for a landing
after it had dropped all it's bombs on the Gaza strip murdering Palestinian
children, BTW american made fighter jets.by Lockheed Martin
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Bill Overdue about a month ago 1
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Have another beer!
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redlaser about a month ago -6
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Sorry but I only drink scotch on the rocks,
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redlaser about a month ago -14
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Netanyahu has failed miserably to protect the Jewish people, now the jews must
leave israel with their gold and silver and move to New Mexico where they will
be safe
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