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FIRST RIDE: ROCKY MOUNTAIN'S 2024 ALTITUDE HAS A COMPLETELY REVISED FRAME DESIGN

Apr 10, 2024
by Dario DiGiulio   FollowFollowing
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First Ride:
2024 Rocky Mountain Altitude

WORDS & PHOTOS: Dario DiGiulio

The Rocky Mountain Altitude has been the race bike of choice for the Canadian
company's enduro athletes, despite numbers that seemed fairly conservative
relative to the competition. That's no longer the case, as the Altitude sees a
full refresh with new geometry, suspension layout, frame features, and overall
demeanor on trail. The all-mountain enduro bike is out, and the go-fast bike is
in.

The Altitude still sports 160mm of rear wheel travel, still has a host of
adjustment features and flip chips, but is otherwise a completely new machine,
save for the maple leaf on the top tube. There are alloy and carbon frame
options, all with reach adjust headsets, Rocky's Ride-4 geo adjustment, and
in-frame storage for the carbon bikes.

Altitude Details

• 29" or Mixed wheels (27.5" size S)
• Carbon or alloy frame
• 160mm frame travel, 170mm fork
• 63-63.8° head angle
• 424-515mm reach
• 427-450mm chainstays
• 77-77.8° seat angle
• Wheel size and frame geometry flip chips
• Actual weight: 34.8 lb / 15.8 kg (size L)
• Price: $3,999-10,999 USD
• Frameset: $4,099 USD
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Frame Features

From geometry adjustments to wheel size, in-frame storage to clean cable
routing, the Altitude has a ton of little frame features to touch on.

Rocky pared down on the flip chip options for this bike, deleting 5 positions
from their Ride-9 system to arrive at the current Ride-4. Located at the forward
shock mount, it's essentially a slack/neutral/steep position adjuster with a top
secret 4th position. At the lower shock mount is the rear wheel flip chip,
allowing you to compensate for the geometry changes between a 27.5" and 29"
wheel. The wheel size adjustment is not available on the size Small bike, which
is 27.5" only.

The headtube has a racetrack-shaped headset, with nice press-in cups that allow
you to adjust the reach figure by 5mm forward or rearward from the neutral
position. This adjustment doesn't affect any other geometry in a significant
way, so it's purely to dial in the bike's fit.


Easy open.
Nice and roomy.

The downtube contains more than just increased stiffness, it's also home to
Rocky's new Penalty Box storage system. The opening is huge, the hatch is very
easy to open with one hand, and the hidden AirTag integration is a clever little
detail. The bike comes with two storage bags, one with some organization and one
with a more cram-friendly design. Overall it's a very nicely executed take on
the trend, and justifies whatever added complication was required to achieve it.

Cable routing is fully guided and internal, but Rocky didn't simply punch some
holes in the frame and call it good. There are bolt-on cable clamps at the front
exit, allowing you to tighten the cables down in place and eliminate any
rattling that might otherwise occur.

While the alloy frames don't get the Penalty Box treatment, all of the other
frame features are incorporated. It feels worth noting that the bikes do use a
30.9mm seatpost, which is just as standard as 31.6mm, but feels much less common
on longer-travel bikes these days.


Wheel size flip chip.
Ride-4 geometry adjustment.



Geometry

There are a few geometries to discuss here, thanks to Rocky's use of the Ride-4
geometry adjustment feature. From the Neutral position, adjusting to Slack or
Steep changes the angles of the bike by about 0.3° to 0.5°, with an overall head
angle adjustment range of 63 - 63.8°. The bottom bracket drop has a range of
11mm overall, with neutral sitting at 31mm in the full 29" position. Aside from
the BB drop, the rear wheel size change doesn't radically affect the geometry,
save for a millimeter here or there. The seat tube angle centers around 77.5°,
again changing slightly depending on your Ride-4 position.

Reach numbers for the four sizes are as follows: 430mm (S) / 455mm (M) / 480mm
(L) / 510mm (XL). Those are the figures with the Ride-4 in the Neutral position,
and with the headset adjustment in the central setting. The Ride-4 can change
reach by +3mm or -5mm, and the pop-in headset cups offer +/- 5mm of adjustment.

There are three rear center lengths spread across the range, none of which
change with the wheel size adjustment or the Ride-4 position. Small bikes are
27.5" only, and the rear center measures 427mm. Mediums get a 440mm rear end,
and Large and Extra Large bikes share a 450mm rear center length.



Suspension Design

First seen on the 2006 Slayer, Rocky has reintroduced their LC2R suspension
system - a counter-rotating dual link design not dissimilar to the well-known
VPP layout. A fairly high starting leverage of 3:1 coupled with a light
compression shock tune makes for a very fluttery feeling top end of travel,
while the high overall progression (36%) means things will ramp up quickly in
the last 25mm of travel.


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The main pivot is concentric to the bottom bracket, and each bike ships with a
special tool to tighten that hardware. This requires removal of the crank and
drive-side bottom bracket, but it's a straightforward and easy job.

Build Kits

Lots to choose from here, but I don't think there are any wasted spots in the
Altitude's lineup. Each bike gets solid components for the price, without any
major weak spots that you'll need to replace right off the bat. Coil or air,
alloy or carbon, there's a spec and price point to cater to a wide variety of
riders. For those who can't choose, or simply want to carry over parts from a
different frame, there's a carbon frameset option.


Altitude Carbon 99 // $10,999 USD, $15,499 CAD. RockShox Flight Attendant
suspension, SRAM Code RSC brakes, SRAM XO drivetrain, Race Face ERA wheels.
Carbon 90 Rally Edition // $9,999 USD, $12,299 CAD. Fox Factory suspension,
Shimano XTR brakes and drivetrain, Race Face ARC 31 wheels.

Altitude Carbon 70 // $6,899 USD, $8,899 CAD. RockShox Select+ suspension,
Shimano XT brakes and drivetrain, Race Face AR 30 wheels.
Altitude Carbon 70 Coil // $7,199 USD, $9,299 CAD. Fox Factory suspension,
Shimano XT brakes and drivetrain, Race Face AR 30 wheels.

Altitude Carbon 50 // $5,699 USD, $7,299 CAD. Fox Performance suspension,
Shimano XT/SLX brakes and drivetrain, WTB ST Light i30 wheels.
Altitude Alloy 70 Coil // $5,699 USD, $6,999 CAD. Fox Factory suspension,
Shimano XT brakes and drivetrain, Race Face AR 30 wheels.

Altitude Alloy 50 // $4,799 USD, $5,599 CAD. Fox Performance suspension, Shimano
XT/SLX brakes and drivetrain, WTB ST i30 wheels.
Altitude Alloy 30 // $3,999 USD, $4,799 CAD. RockShox/Fox Select/Performance
suspension, Shimano Deore brakes and drivetrain, WTB ST i30 wheels.

Altitude Carbon Frameset // $4,099 USD, $4,999 CAD. Fox Factory shock, FSA Orbit
No. 85 reach adjust headset.

You can watch this guy talk about the new Altitude with the project manager
here.

Ride Impressions

The Altitude feels like a race bike. Over the handful of rides I've taken it on
so far, it's happiest charging down rough tracks, popping deep off drops, and
pushing braking until the last moment. It's manageable on mellower terrain, but
feels a little unenthused unless you're really picking up speed. The geometry is
long, the suspension is very active, and the chassis is stout - all making for
something that comes alive at speed. The kinematic feels very progressive -
which might not be for everybody - but it does track nicely over chattery
terrain before ramping up aggressively deep in travel. I'm running a good bit
more compression than I typically would and things feel nicely balanced.

On the frame, fit, and finish level, things are nicely polished on the Altitude.
The Penalty Box is one of the best in-frame storage solutions I've encountered,
and if it withstands the test of time it might just end up being a favorite. The
bike is very quiet, thanks to clean cable routing and some well-placed chainslap
protection. I've already begun playing around with the Ride-4 flip chip and the
reach adjust headset, and both are easy enough to use on a regular basis, even
trailside if you're careful.

From the get-go this bike felt confident in serious terrain, and capable of
going very fast. I'm still dialing in the suspension settings and getting a feel
for which geo positions I prefer, but the early impressions bode well for the
long term test. Stay tuned for a full-fledged review in time.



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adrock-whistler (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:01)

 So what’s the consensus, are we calling this a Rocky Cruz or a Santa Mountain?
I know my vote is the latter.
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wolftwenty1 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:05)

 Santa Mountain Megatude
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bigtim FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:13)

 I was going to vote for Ronta Mouz, but then thought that Sacky Cuntain would
be better.
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danielfloyd FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:13)

 @wolftwenty1: Mountain Cruz Altitower
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agnostic (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:18)

 This is the new Flatline.
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tralebuilder (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:20)

 Rocky Mountain Nomad
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lkubica (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:45)

 Rocky Tower
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fabwizard FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:57)

 Have they actually sold their 2022s and 2023s yet?
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adrock-whistler (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:57)

 @wolftwenty1: Winner winner chicken dinner
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novajustin (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:10)

 looks more like a tracer than any sc frame. sc doesn't use a concentric bearing
around the bb for the lower link, whereas the tracer does exactly that.
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eh-steve (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:10)

 Hey now, Santa cruz makes bikes priced for dentists, rocky mountain is clearly
targeting orthodontists.
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CaSentLeTabarnakMonHomme (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:29)

 Well, it's not that much more a copy cat than the other bikes on the market.
All High Pivot look the same and all FSR look the same.
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Grn-mcn FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:31)

 @wolftwenty1: the Santa Mountain Ransom
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gearbo-x (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:33) (Below Threshold) show comment

 Rocky just bought out the mould from Intense Tracer, everybody knows how crappy
that rode
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dgwww (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:33)

 @CaSentLeTabarnakMonHomme: I dunno...this is pretty santa cruz'ish
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Grn-mcn FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:37)

 @gearbo-x: I rode an Intense and let me to you, it was not crappy
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Ebab FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:42)

 Intensely Rocky Cruz??
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Grn-mcn FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:43)

 @Ebab: I hope its smooth
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cky78 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:44)

 @bigtim: Sacky c*ntain is going to be the new name for my MegaTower... hahaa
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jnduda FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:46)

 Has a bit of Specialized Enduro vibe as well.
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:54)

 LC2R™ is our unique take on a virtual pivot suspension design, with several key
advantages unique to our design. Riders who ride a Rocky Mountain know that our
bikes have a ride feel that’s uniquely Rocky Mountain — and the new Altitude is
no different. They may have some similarities, but we think LC2R™ is a cut
above! Dig in deeper and you'll see how the Altitude is different!
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sanchofula (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:01)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: Are you a chat bot?
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:08)

 @sanchofula: No... Are you?
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Jaybirdy (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:20)

 MegaRocky MountainTower
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rossi45 (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:20)

 Alpine Leopard Snow Track and Tube @ fubarbikes
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chrismac70 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:24)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: Somebody sounds a bit miffed that everyone’s noticed
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davesc (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:27)

 I love when my first thought is summed up by the first comment
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heatproofgenie (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:57)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: What's the axle path?
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lkubica (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:57)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: Exactly what a chat bot would say...
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someguy101 (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:15)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: very unique...
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jalopyj FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:16)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: lol beef reference
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iduckett FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:50)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: So… Playing Devils advocate here… What are said unique
advantages?
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CaroCo (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:15)

 Santa Mountain RangeDuro
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bunjiman82 (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:21)

 Yes Rocky, what a looker! So glad to see you making some sharp looking bikes
again like the old slayer which was such a beaut!
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DeGaRide (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:22)

 Looks like a real innovation
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likeittacky (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:29)

 Rocky Cruz SOLO
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:30)

 @iduckett: A fair amount of work went into the kinematics and frame design,
with test frames manufactured in our Vancouver R&D center and ridden extensively
before final design work was completed. Lumping bikes into a simple category
like Horst, VPP, SP, HP, etc grossly oversimplifies the amount of details that
we and (I assume) most brands put into their designs. A few mm here and there
make huge differences in the end result.

Our advantages are that we offer multiple adjustments at the shock mounts to
adjust the geometry and wheel sizing, whereas others brands do not. Additionally
the kinematic aspects that we focused on were to increase our mid-travel support
while not moving away from our progressive rate curves that we love to ride. Our
suspension tends to feature a wider window of setup range making it easier to
set up the bike to individual preferences. No chasing a narrow setup window that
makes it frustrating for both first-time and experienced riders.
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orphan (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:35)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: Older guy here with an older RM Alt that i've upgrade
over the years -enjoy my ride immensely and the all around mountain experience
it gives me so my question to you is.
Why buy your new bike over the other offerings out there ??? whether that be a
different manufacture or last years model of RM - basically whats better about
this bike(and or your company) not just different.
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cheech222 (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:57)

 @bigtim: well done sir
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foggnm (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:00)

 I was thinking Giga mountain
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NBainas (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:45)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: lets do a "blind" ride test with your LC2R vs Santa
Cruz VPP? I'd love to see how progressive it is compared to my SB165.
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lkubica (Apr 10, 2024 at 13:07)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: The real question is why not a horst link? You did it
for a long long time.
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EmBe81 (Apr 10, 2024 at 13:43)

 With the rocker concentric to the bottom bracket it has elements of Deviate’s
Claymore as well… so throw some Clay in that name mix!
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notthatfast (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:37)

 @lkubica:
The REAL real question is why a Horst Link? Why stick to the same thing if you
can have better/different results by doing something different?
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shockdonkey FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:11)

 Hmmmm..
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likeittacky (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:15)

 @shockdonkey: you deleted your post and changed it
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JosMaple (Apr 10, 2024 at 16:00)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: looks good, I wish the price point was lower - frame
only cost seems disproportionate to the builds.
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SwiftFixBike (Apr 10, 2024 at 17:51)

 @chrismac70: if you look at there old models from a decade ago its Santa Cruz
that copied them..
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p1nkbike (Apr 10, 2024 at 19:18)

 that's the prettiest rocky cruz ive seen so far
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dkendy1 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 21:23)

 It’s a Truid. Trance Druid
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Superboost (Apr 10, 2024 at 21:25)

 @orphan: awful customer service. No fault of the staff, whoever is in charge
isn’t allowing enough budget to hire the amount of people needed.
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Glory831Guy (Apr 10, 2024 at 21:33)

 Rocky Mountain-Cruz
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dkendy1 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 21:34)

 @jnduda: and a trance front triangle vibe
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lkubica (Apr 10, 2024 at 22:08)

 @notthatfast: because suposedly horst is a very unable platform allowing to
make almost any kind of behavior? Original vpps were only a bypass of horst
patent...
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notthatfast (Apr 10, 2024 at 22:24)

 @lkubica:
Original VPP is very different to current VPP. VPP is much stiffer and more
reliable in my experience because of the short links
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sospeedy (Apr 10, 2024 at 22:57)

 @orphan: as a Canadian, how about Rocky being a Canadian brand?
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vinay FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 23:40)

 Socky Crountaz
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Eamonwarburg FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 23:57) (Below Threshold) show comment

 I’m calling it ugly
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Laff39 (Apr 11, 2024 at 0:38)

 What about a “Mountain Nomad”
I’d buy one for the name.
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littleskull99 (Apr 11, 2024 at 1:33)

 Mocky Cruzountain
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vinay FL (Apr 11, 2024 at 1:40)

 @lkubica: A buddy of mine used to ride an Element back in the days and I just
looked up a picture of the frame, but to me it seems like the wheel axle is on
the chainstay, which is mounted to the front triangle. So the axle path is
circular with respect to the front triangle, so not the floating IC which FSR
considers important. Or are you referring to a different frame?
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succulentsausage FL (Apr 11, 2024 at 6:43)

 @JosMaple: just like the $4K Norco Sight frame these companies are in for a
Rude awakening if they think we’re paying Yeti prices for a Rocky.
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fabwizard FL (Apr 11, 2024 at 6:45)

 @vinay: pretty sure my old element was single pivot. I don't remember any lower
links. Snapped the chainstay on that one.
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ob17 (Apr 11, 2024 at 9:21)

 maybe they copied the 2006 slayer
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orphan (Apr 11, 2024 at 12:17)

 @sospeedy: -So i should treat them better than other brands simply because they
are Canadian just, like they treat me (or you) better because we are Canadian
-Oh Wait
I already have an RM ,and this bike looks good but so do a lot of others that
have just come out - just trying to find the "why this one" -if being a Canadian
brand means better /easier/faster warranty service then thats a real valid
selling point
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Jammerlappen (Apr 11, 2024 at 12:49)

 @EmBe81: some clay? Or more clay?
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rpdale (Apr 12, 2024 at 10:17)

 I just don't get it. I spent 3 minutes googling parts and I could put the c70
shimano build together for $900 less than their asking. It's like they're
assuming their customers have no concept of what bike parts actually cost.
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jnduda FL (Apr 12, 2024 at 14:32)

 @rpdale: I'm all for saving money via building myself but bet their labor
costs, training and increased shipping all contribute to the current insane
pricing.
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notthatfast (Apr 12, 2024 at 20:49)

 @rpdale:
Yeah I'm not buying that...
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kcr138 (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:51)

 Crazy that neither this nor the Forbidden have headset cable routing. So sad
that the Canadian brands aren't giving us anything to complain about. (Except
colors, but have you seen what kids are wearing these days?)
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:47)

 We totally agree that headset cable routing makes no sense! (but we do like
colours)
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PeakHopper (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:03)

 Colourways are very subjective, not loving the new RM colours but the new
Forbiddens looked hawwt.
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NWBasser (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:45)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: I've got absolutely nothing to complain about on this
bike. It looks like a perfect bike for the riding that I do. It appears that
everything was very well thought out.
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jpnbrider (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:59)

 Come on man , this is Pinkbike , we could also be complaining because there is
nothing to complain
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WildboiBen FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:37)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: idk what people are complaining about lol. These colors
are rad.
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cky78 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:56)

 @PeakHopper: See, and I am the other way around. I prefer the RM to the
Forbidden colours...
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vinay FL (Apr 11, 2024 at 1:45)

 I like how you used to use maple leaves as kind of a gradient to go from one
color to the other, like from raw alu to red. Personally I'm no fan of these
sharp divisions (between green and black here) either but think it would be cool
for customers to get a set of maple leaf shaped stickers in both colors used to
kind of recreate that effect if they'd want that.
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Hoeperjoe (Apr 11, 2024 at 5:30)

 @PeakHopper: Color fades > all black
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tgr9 (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:17)

 Kid: "Mom, can we have Santa-Cruz"
Mom: "We already have Santa-Cruz at home"
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hi-dr-nick FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:52) (Below Threshold) show comment

 Awww how cute you based it off looks
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Superboost (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:21)

 @hi-dr-nick: yeah that’s what makes it funny.
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j-p-i (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:24)

 Saw that meme on IG this morning lol
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singelton (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:49)

 $5000 for a frame is nuts.
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jesse-effing-edwards (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:07)

 My ripmo AF was 4500 for an entire bike. Admittedly, I could have gone baller
components and hit about 6500. I'm not poor, but this is outta my league
entirely. If I drop that coin, I want a motor!
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PeakHopper (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:10)

 My thoughts too, that's getting really deep into boutique territory. The new
Forbidden Dreadnaught is only $500 CAD more for the same thing.
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jesse-effing-edwards (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:12)

 @PeakHopper: Bikeflation
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stephenzkie (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:48)

 seriously, you can get a last year santa cruz megatower for that price these
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tim-from-pa FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:59)

 will be about 40% off in about 6 months if you can wait
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jesse-effing-edwards (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:24)

 @tim-from-pa: haha, I hope for their sake that doesn't happen. Some sweet deals
on last years' bikes right now, though. Wish I had the budget. My kids spend all
my money.
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mi-bike (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:28)

 @jesse-effing-edwards: don't give them your cc.
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shapethings (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:11)

 Frame only pricing is absurd across all brands. At least make the alloy version
available like many brands do that have alloy versions. 2lbs ain't worth $3k to
me.
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adriemel83 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 19:15)

 Can get a WAO Arrival frame, with fork for similar price right now (been a
‘limited’ offer for 2+ months now)
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Superboost (Apr 10, 2024 at 21:27)

 @singelton deez nuts?
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DonLemont (Apr 11, 2024 at 5:46)

 It’s $4099, actually.
BUT, I bought Nomad V6 frame for $1850 (incl. shipping and tax). Then got $150
gift card.
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DonLemont (Apr 11, 2024 at 5:49)

 *got back* *received* gift card
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Portland-maine FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:50)

 "Penalty Box" on a Canadian bike has to be the best name for frame storage
anyone has come up with so far.
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blackbeardirt FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:07)

 I'm 5'5" and ride small bikes and it's good to see the size small is 27.5" all
around. Wish there was more of this.
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adrennan FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:43)

 this only freaking makes sense. wheel size is just one more piece of bike
sizing in my opinion. Obviously, there will be short people who prefer big
wheels and big people who prefer small wheels.
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luckynugget (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:05)

 @adrennan: Would be nice to see some full 27.5 options stock on medium and
larges, doesn't make sense for all bikes but for some
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danielomeara FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:15)

 @adrennan: my 5’5 Gf prefers full 29 and another friend who was actually
interested in this bike wanted a mullet (and is no longer interested). Different
strokes for different folks.
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Odiguer FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:39)

 I typically ride size small bikes and I don't want a full 27.5". I'd like to
have a mullet option, but Rocky have been limiting Small size frames to 27.5"
for their enduro bikes for a bit now. Just won't buy one, they don't work for
me.
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justwan-naride (Apr 10, 2024 at 20:59)

 While I currently own a full 27.5 bike and always ride size small, I would 100%
go mullet for my enduro race bike. I've mulleted my bike before for laughs and
the extra tracking stability and rollover is something I'd appreciate in a race
situation. It also feels safer if your trails are full of holes and ruts. The
latest geometry trend is for higher stack anyway, it's not like they'd have to
use a super short head tube, something like 90-100mm would do and it's not an
uncommon measurement.
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Eamonwarburg FL (Apr 11, 2024 at 0:00)

 I’m 5”6 and I want 29 in the front atleast
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TopherJones93 (Apr 11, 2024 at 2:40)

 @luckynugget: I too, am pretty upset that everything keeps going mullet. I
really enjoy the playful small wheels. Almost all trail bikes now are 29er or MX
for M and L frame sizes. Bummed the 5010 went MX and doesn't have some way to
keep 27.5. not everybody just wants to plow trails!
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hypermoto (Apr 11, 2024 at 10:10)

 @luckynugget: Banshee makes the Spitfire, Rune, and Legend in dedicated 27.5
for all sizes (Sm-XL). They all use modern geometry, so you can pick the wheel
size you want without sacrificing performance.
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mtmc99 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:05)

 Whats with everything releasing this week? Its been a hard week to keep up
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needmoregears (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:19)

 Everyone wants to get ahead of the Sea Otter releases next week.
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mtmc99 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:23)

 @needmoregears: that makes sense, forgot Sea Otter was just around the bend
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pisgahgnar FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:41)

 Even more is coming. New Raaw Jibb tomorrow.
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meata FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:00)

 It's because my birthday is tomorrow, and they know I'm a big spender
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BamaBiscuits (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:23)

 @pisgahgnar: and a new knolly
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BamaBiscuits (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:23)

 @pisgahgnar: I’ve no idea why it posted that 3 times lol
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brianpark FL Editor (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:39)

 We are so tired.
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Jaybirdy (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:22)

 Sea Otter is coming.. all the Covid bikes that were in the making are finally
paying off their banks and what’s been in hiding for two years has finally come
to life
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chrismac70 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:25) (Below Threshold) show comment

 @brianpark: it must be tough having to ride these bikes and copy paste the
press release. I feel your pain :-)
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dividebyzero (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:17)

 April is the start of a new fiscal year
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pisgahgnar FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:32)

 @dividebyzero: in some places. Mostly UK and former colonies/commonwealth. For
the majority of the world it’s Jan to December, and the US is October to
September.
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mi-bike (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:29)

 @brianpark: thoughts and prayers
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JW1970 (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:32)

 @pisgahgnar: Yep, spot-on re commonwealth countries, wiht a few outliers among
them: Australia is June-July.
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VtVolk (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:22)

 Clearly a new Industry conspiracy that all mountain bikes must be two-toned
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MTBrent FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:03) (Below Threshold) show comment

 It's gross.
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luckynugget (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:06)

 to entice the sport mart customers, MTB's new #1 demographic
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eh-steve (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:13)

 @MTBrent: upvoted, but the new dreadnought in Fatty T is super sexy. In general
I hate the two tone, doubly so with matchy matchy wheel and fork decals. Looks
like the early 2000s.
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Ttimer (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:43)

 Better than the uniform snot-green, pus-yellow or concrete-wall-grey that was
all the rage in the industry for a few years.
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stiingya (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:01)

 It's "slimming", 2 tones ride 2 lbs lighter!!
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hohmskullkrishten (Apr 10, 2024 at 21:45)

 Best paint design I've seen in awhile, compliments the suspension design very
nicely.
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chakaping FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:35)

 Apart from the green sticker overkill, this bike looks great and the geometry
is excellent.
Nice slack HA, long chainstays and well-judged reach numbers. Useful adjustments
too.
Good work RM. Not so sure about the pricing (especially here in the UK), but
difficult to fault the bike on paper (seat tube maybe a touch long?)
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4thflowkage (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:12)

 Yeah it's nice to see a flip chip that actually does something. The geo is
dialed in a way that I can actually see keeping it in neutral for most riding,
slack for park, and steep for this one race near me that has like 500 meters of
xc at the end of every enduro stage....
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danielfloyd FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:10)

 It's really good to see the altitude get its own frame. The last version was
great, but it did sacrifice geometry to the fact that it was optimized for a
smaller platform. I'm really looking forward to the Rocky Mountain demo events
this year.
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shredddr (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:20)

 I’m bummed to see an actual seat tube angle slacker than the virtual. That was
one of the strengths of the previous bike. This works against tall people ime.
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jimmythehat (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:10)

 When will company realise colour matching forks, rims etc is the lamest thing
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korev FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:19)

 I think it would have been OK if it was just the fork, the rims are way too
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rockyflowtbay (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:46)

 Don't mind the fork, but the wheels seem a bit much.
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CaSentLeTabarnakMonHomme (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:25)

 Damn, I like all that colormatching. lol Bikes colorscheme are lame these days.
I'll go even further than that, I really miss colored rims.
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vitaflo (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:20)

 To be fair they're just stickers. You can remove them if you don't like them,
or buy a different color and slap a new sticker on if you really want the brand
bling.
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zarban (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:21)

 I can't stand that look either, at least they offer an all black version if you
don't like all that. If you only buy black bikes then your spouse never can tell
when you get a new one.
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PauRexs (Apr 10, 2024 at 13:12)

 @zarban: this is gold trick !
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casey-as (Apr 10, 2024 at 13:49)

 Not sure if that is a tongue in cheek comment but I am all for the two tones
and the matching. Especially if your paying $7k for it. Note the rims don't
color match below a certain price.
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mi-bike (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:31)

 Yeah man, it's time to bring back the mismatched orange forks we love and want!
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WildboiBen FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:15)

 What will pb commenters find to complain about next?? Lol I think the color
matched rims and fork look dope.
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ybsurf (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:21)

 I don't mind fork and shock even wheels but those wheels logo/sticker is way to
big. A small we are one logo color matches will look cool but the whole wheel
decals is too much.
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nicholkid FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 18:37)

 wheel decals almost always look like crap to me
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littleskull99 (Apr 11, 2024 at 3:53)

 @PauRexs: this is the black trick !
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Greasybrisket (Apr 11, 2024 at 4:46)

 Yeah the color matching makes it look dated for some reason. Not my cup of tea
but also not a deal breaker. Haha the price is the deal breaker
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Caddz (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:29)

 @dariodigiulio Please include max seat post insertion for all sizes in these
articles. It looks like that 175mm Fox Transfer is not slammed, not sure if that
is because it can't be or because it's so short, you didn't want it to be.
Either way, this is a critical decision point on a frame for a lot of buyers,
manufacturers make it hard to find, Pinkbike shouldn't as well. This frame with
the shock thru the seat tube I'm guessing can't swallow a 210mm post on a large,
which makes it unsuitable for a lot of riders.
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dariodigiulio FL Editor (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:46)

 *200mm Transfer
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jeffelow (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:03)

 The 'Technical Manual' for the bike lists 5 specific posts, with min/max saddle
heights and insertion for all the different lengths of drop. Go look at a
product page, it's under 'Owner Resources'... It's a hell of a lot more
information than most brands put out
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:15)

 @dariodigiulio: Thanks for confirming Dario!

We made sure to prioritize this on all frame sizes. On a size large, the max
insertion depth is 290mm, tons of room!
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Caddz (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:20)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: Thanks for that info!
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2444666668888888 (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:45)

 Agree fully on this point. Seatpost bottom-out measured in mm above the bb
would be a good standard measure. My ‘21 Meta seatpost bottom-out is
depressingly high at like 170mm above bb, and on beauties like the Reeb Steezl
it is way closer to the bb. I’d personally never buy an interrupted seat tube
bike like this
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pompousROb (Apr 12, 2024 at 12:11)

 @jeffelow: just took a look at this. pretty wildly detailed honestly. Right
down the make/model of posts. This should be standard.

"The chart shows seatpost fitment with the seatpost travel fully extended. This
allows you to determine what the lowest or highest position
your seatpost can be set at for the correct height in a seated pedalling
position. The chart will also help guide you in determining the size
seatpost to install if the OEM one isn’t the desired size. Please note that the
dimension listed is from the center of the BB to the top of the
OEM saddle. Crankset length can influence the seated fit and should also be
considered if that component is changed. "
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excel (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:35)

 Wow, analog drivetrain option AND good pricing for the XT alloy/Fox Factory
model. Good job!
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goceto (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:18)

 @rockymountain please give whoever designed the Penalty Box a raise, best
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thetonester (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:48)

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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:55)

 Thanks! That would be TJP in the North Van office — he crushed this bombproof
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j-t-g FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:43)

 Thomas JanderPam
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stuie321 (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:36)

 Outgoing Altitude is a really amazing bike and one of the nicest I’ve ridden.
I’m very interested in trying the new one
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Glenngineer (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:50)

 This might be the most dialed geo sheet I've ever soon for this 6fter. The
Large Neutral 29er makes sense, and all the adjustments seem well thought out
and make reasonable, incremental change for personal
taste/fit/conditions/style/etc.

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NWBasser (Apr 10, 2024 at 16:04)

 It does look pretty great. I ride a big-travel bike and if I needed a new one,
the Altitude would be near the top of my list. Or at the top.
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mikeetheviking (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:16)

 Nice to see Rocky move to a threaded BB!!! I’m wondering if they decided to
leave the seat tube spec at 30.9 in thinking that if we can’t give em’ the
longest dropper at least we can give em’ a light dropper?!?
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GriffinMcMurray (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:37)

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j-t-g FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:46)

 Dario, have you had the chance to dive into this new platform on high speed,
open brake, repeated square edge hit sections, particularly when the grade is
less steep?

I have ridden quite a few of long travel Rocky Mountains and that is kind of the
one area that they don't do as well as some other options. IMO the phenomenon is
across their lineup but it stands out more the longer the travel goes. I think
Mike was hinting at the sensation being present in his Slayer review.

Interestingly, Alicia also described the Megatower as "harsh on chattery
sections". I am curious, did the move to VPP improve this sensation for Rocky,
and if so what is the tradeoff (nothing is perfect), or is it still a
less-than-stellar area of performance on the platform?

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dariodigiulio FL Editor (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:17)

 It's a little early to get into the weeds, but I think the Rocky handles those
situations very well. In flatter, repeated-compression areas, the issue I was
having initially was keeping the bike high enough in travel. Adding quite a bit
of shock compression (low and high) helped calm that down quite a bit.
Hope this helps, though a test ride in that exact situation is always going to
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MarcusBrody FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:59)

 Unrelated to the new Altitude, but Mike's review of the Slayer has made me
hesitate on it. Has anyone run a progressive spring in the shock?
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novajustin (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:02)

 @dariodigiulio: when the review for the new tracer came out all the reviewers
complained about the suspension and how riders couldn't keep the bike from
"bucking" forward in flatter turns and the bike had a tendency to be harsh deep
in the travel. this altitude looks like it has very similar kinematics and
progression as the tracer but this early review seems to shine on the suspension
performance. curious as to how 2 bikes with such similar suspension setups could
come away with 2 vastly different opinions.
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endlessbiking (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:10)

 @MarcusBrody: I run an air shock on the bike and it’s unreal… very progressive
and playful! -DB@EB
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MarcusBrody FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:31)

 @endlessbiking: Thanks! I've considered it. I'm not really prioritizing
playfulness (I have a smaller bike). I want it to eat steep, loose, rocky,
desert DH terrain (but I pedal there, so no true DH bike). There aren't too many
really big hits where I ride, but basically constant rock gardens. Partially
based on Mike's review, I wondered if the Slayer with the standard coil would
end up sitting really deep by the 40th consecutive rock. I doubt I'm as good of
a rider, but I am 25+ heavier and would be on a size larger, so I'd likely to be
able to do less with the compression tune than he could.

@RockyMountainBicycles: Since you're here, care to weigh in? Have you tried the
Slayer with a progressive coil?
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:48)

 @MarcusBrody: Given that the Slayer already features lots of progression in the
rate curve, we haven't felt the need to explore the use of progressive coils.
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Bro-tato (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:39)

 I've never thought that Megatower review was fair, and I can't recall other
reviewers having the same experience. I certainly haven't had that experience
myself with mine, though I usually run a coil shock on it.
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Tambo (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:52)

 @novajustin: shock tunes.
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novajustin (Apr 11, 2024 at 6:59)

 @Tambo: both bikes come with shocks tuned for the bike. shock setup would be
what i am leaning towards. which leads me to believe the reviewers really don't
know how to setup their suspension.
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novajustin (Apr 11, 2024 at 7:05)

 @Bro-tato: exactly what i was thinking. 3 different brand bikes (sc, intense,
rm) all with nearly the same suspension set up and yet they have 3 different
riding experiences? i have the tracer and i have yet to experience any of the
claims they said they found when riding the bike. i am starting to believe the
people doing these reviews aren't hitting the mark with their suspension setup.
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git-r-done-bud (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:32)

 The “penalty box” name is so fitting for this Canadian brand. Love the look of
the new bike Rocky, well done!
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NWBasser (Apr 10, 2024 at 16:23)

 Little things - Maxxgrip Assegai, Cushcore, WTB saddle, threaded BB. It looks
like RM was really thinking carefully about speccing the bike and sweated the
details.
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Juarez (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:11)

 @dariodigiulio,

" I'm running a good bit more compression than I typically would and things feel
nicely balanced."

What do you mean? Running more LSC and HSC on the shock or fork? Why?


M.
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ashmtb85 (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:56)

 Yes I found this confusing as well. Maybe he meant to give better mid stroke
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onawalk (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:19)

 Im going to assume he is referring to rear shock, its not meant to be a first
ride of the fork...
with a leverage curve that starts out at 3.1 (the larger the number the more apt
it is to go into its travel) you might want to run more compression damping, to
"quiet" the active nature of the rear suspension, and add some additional
support.

They dont have a leverage curve grapg, but 36% progression, depending on the
curve could feel a little abrupt near end of travel, so the additional
compression damping will add some control, and take some of the abruptness out
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shredddr (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:33)

 @onawalk: I’m guessing he means more than usual simply due to the high opening
leverage. I’d be curious to see if you can run a lot of compression and still
get full travel with that amount of ramp up. Had to be one of the highest ramp
ups on a stock frame…?
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czscout (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:42)

 I believe he means he is running more compression in his shock because of the
high leverage ratio off the top. Perhaps to counter the fluttery feeling he
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Loche FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:50)

 A higher leverage ratio means you are using less shock stroke for a given
amount of wheel displacement. If you're using less shock stroke, it means you
are not displacing as much oil inside the damper. Thus, you need to use more
compression to restrict the smaller oil flow to get the same effect as a larger
oil flow.

Dario is saying the frame has a lot of progression (higher leverage ratio early
in the travel). So I'm guessing he's using more LSC damping so the bike doesn't
feel underdamped in the first portion of the travel.
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dariodigiulio FL Editor (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:50)

 I'm speaking to the shock, apologies for not being more specific. I'm still
dialing things in (as mentioned), but settling quite close to closed on HSC and
LSC and still getting plenty of grip and small bump comfort.
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Bikermilz (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:04)

 Sick bike, ordered one a while ago, looking foward to try it ! A bit
disappointed that the alloy frame don't have the penality box 2.0. Feels like it
would have been worth to go that extra mile to include it on all frames since
the system is sick. Otherwise the bike is so sick!!
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:44)

 We are stoked to hear you have one on order! Unfortunately, aluminum isn’t
carbon... and we were looking at a huge impact in weight. We had to make a call,
and we didn’t think it was worth it this time around. You'll love the ride!
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luckynugget (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:20)

 fun, easy DIY install on the alloy frame! If you have a drill, sawzall and a
fibreglass kit you can install the frame storage on the alloy frame
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farkinoath FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:54)

 @luckynugget: 100% warranty safe and factory approved too!
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NWBasser (Apr 10, 2024 at 16:09)

 @luckynugget: LOL! Sounds like a 12-beer job.
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BrambleLee (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:49)

 AirTag integration, someone help me out here. My kid found an AirTag on the
ground at the park a little while back. I thought maybe I’d be able to use my
phone to find its owner, but couldn’t. What did happen though is that my phone
detected the thing and warned me that someone may be using it to track my
movements. Also, it sat on a desktop for a while and anytime it got moved, it
would emit a jingle.

So, how/why do people use these things for theft recovery? If I’m going to put a
tracker on a belonging I don’t want stolen, I don’t want that tracker alerting
the thief to its presence—they’ll just remove it and my ability to track the
thing is done. What am I missing? Can the owner configure this behavior when
they set the device up?
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mtmc99 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:16)

 Anytime they get near an iphone their location gets logged and uploaded. The
registered owner of the AirTag is then able to track that location. So either
the owner had no way to get a hold of you, or didnt care to come get it, but
they were definitely aware of its location
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RMB-PM (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:12)

 Here's my take:
1. it cost very little to integrate in the PB 2.0 cover
2. best scenario is a snatch and grab out of a pickup bed or something as you
are grabbing coffee, and as the thief is making their getaway you have that
small window to see roughly where they are / are heading. It may take them a
while to figure out where the tag is, if they are even aware of it
3. why would you NOT stack the deck in your favour, and take EVERY precaution to
recover a stolen bike?

It's not foolproof, but it's better than a poke in the eye.
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korev FL (Apr 11, 2024 at 5:14)

 @RMB-PM: A friend had one in his town ebike. It got nicked (from his work!) and
it soon went over the border to France. He somehow managed to get the French
cops interested and they went round for a "quiet word" with the thief and he got
his bike back. Apparently, they'd known that the guy was a wrongun for a while
and were very pleased to be able to catch him redhanded.
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GeordieNinja FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:49)

 I think it looks brilliant. Well done to everyone involved. I won’t be buying
one, as it’s way above my budget. But a lovely bike it is indeed.
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thefantasticfox (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:00)

 This looks awesome but I’m honestly glad to be keeping my prior generation
altitude. It strikes a better balance of all mountain and enduro, and is a bit
lighter.

Love that RM is pushing the envelope.

I wish there was space for an all mountain rig that prioritizes more all-around
handling and weighs slightly less but still has the same travel as the Altitude.
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mtmc99 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 19:07)

 Didn't the new Instinct slide up to fill the area the old Altitude was?
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thefantasticfox (Apr 11, 2024 at 5:44)

 @mtmc99: Less travel (140 vs 160 rear)
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tacopop (Apr 11, 2024 at 0:08)

 Shouldn't a brand new 2024 bike come with 2024 model components? Correct me if
I'm wrong here, but even the big $$$ fox models look to be fitted with leftover
2023 forks no? Surely as an OEM partner rocky knew the new grip X2 models were
coming way in advance?
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AverageAdventurer (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:38)

 Really interesting to see the marketing photos on rockys site rocking oneup
bars even though they're specced with next r bars. Even more interesting that
they would choose to pick the next r over the ERA handlebars on the top models
that remi was showing off.
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:45)

 We work with our athletes during our new product launches to showcase our
bikes, and they sometimes work with different sponsors than what we spec our
bikes with. The bike you are seeing on our website is Thomas Vanderham's!
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AverageAdventurer (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:55)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: Seems lots of your guys rock Oneup bars. Seeing as how
the sample bikes went out with the outgoing Next R's and Old turbines will that
be the spec moving forward or was that to skirt embargo stuff?
I can't make it out on your site in specs for the turbine as it lists clamp size
as 40mm and rise as 35. With a upsweep of 4° likely a typo but handy to know.
Also whats the deal with your dropouts? Can i carry a UDH as a replacement or is
it your own hanger? Seems transmission compatible but doesn't look like a UDH.
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:46)

 @AverageAdventurer: All sizes spec 40mm stems, 35mm clamp bars, 4-degree
upsweep (yep, typo, thanks for catching that, we'll fix it!).

All alloy and carbon models are UDH compatible!
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PauRexs (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:48)

 So many adjustments which great but chainstays length should be a must... it
completely affects depending on the kind of terrain you're riding... and long
chainstays which is great wouldn't be a con then if you have raw natural twisty
gnarly sketchy trails like many parts of europe...
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fabsmf FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:38)

 That Alloy 70 coil is the one. Hot damn
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Lousicle FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:56)

 Wait just one minute. You can get a complete bike for $3,999 that is made out
of metal, or a frame only for $4,099 that is made out of plastic. Huh.
Interesting.
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mattddrchs (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:59)

 Ahh, nice looking bike but it feels like they ditched what made the Altitude
special in favour of an undifferentiated sled like everyone else. Curious to see
it in person, maybe I'm wrong.
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qualms23 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:03)

 Wild you can buy a full build for less that a frame set. Like they will give
you 100$ to take those brakes/drivetrain/wheels/fork/tyres/bars/seat/ off their
hands
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AndrewFleming (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:45)

 Complete aluminum bike for $4k, Frame-only carbon for $4.1k
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Simann (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:24)

 I totally appreciate the engineering behind the performance, locating the shock
down low definitely helps weight distribution and center of gravity. But damn
does it make it look like every other bike out there. I was really hoping that
the altitude would use the same triangle as the instinct Again. The reason I
went with the last year model instinct was the color way was better than the
altitude. And all I had to do was switch out the upper shock mount, and it was
instantly an altitude.
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justinfoil (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:50)

 "The opening is huge"

How about some actual measurements, since storage compartments are now
everywhere. It does look bigger than on a Santa Cruz or Trek, but certainly
doesn't look "huge" compared to the opening on most Specialized models, and
perhaps even smaller.
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kperras (Apr 10, 2024 at 19:17)

 Measurements I don't have, but I've put 3 jerseys, our tube bag with tube
installed, 2 AXS batteries, 3 granola bars, and 1 bag of Haribo bears in there
for a big ride one time. Big enough that I forgot about that 3rd jersey in there
for a couple of months...
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justinfoil (Apr 11, 2024 at 6:39)

 @kperras: All that is not the size opening, that's size of the whole down tube.
And most any carbon frame with storage in the downtube is going to approach
that, except it's going to suck trying to get it all out (or in) with a small
opening,
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kperras (Apr 11, 2024 at 10:33)

 @justinfoil: The opening is yuge. Slightly larger than the swat opening on
Specialized models which was the largest we measured. You can slide in a set a
mid-weight kneepads with D30 inserts like the Atkas or Race Face Indys.
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justinfoil (Apr 11, 2024 at 11:10)

 @kperras: And where are those measurements?
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RMB-PM (Apr 11, 2024 at 13:29)

 @justinfoil: Ok, I'll bite: I measure 50mm x 150mm.

WOOOO! I think we finally found the next thing we can all take a position on and
argue about online!

"What? Your storage is 45mm x 160mm? UNRIDABLE"

Maybe we can devolve into arguing the pros and cons of rectangular vs oval
openings? Clearly oval will yield a 13% increase in enjoyment.
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justinfoil (Apr 12, 2024 at 9:45)

 @RMB-PM: Only PB editors will declare it unrideable, like "missing" 10mm of
dropper drop. Regular riders will just make dick-size and hole-size jokes while
they rally gnarly shit, and then rag on spare-tube-lacking small-holed friends
as they whip four of them out of their massive stash hole and quote them tube
loan prices in how many parking-lot IPAs will be provided.
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justinfoil (Apr 12, 2024 at 9:55)

 @RMB-PM: My 2020 Stumpy's hole is 52mm x 160mm, rounded-rectangle with ~5mm
radius corners.

By total area, definitely bigger, and most importantly for getting long firm
things (everyone's favorite) like a pump to go in easily, it's taller/longer by
6.66%!!

Thus obviously making my bike eminently more ridable, huzzah!

Also, everyone know squircles and rounded-rects are sooo much better than ovals.
You see any oval smartphones out there? Didn't think so. The Palm Pre was
probably the closest and that died a fast death, though arguably much too soon.
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SunsPSD (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:05)

 This bike looks great and it seems that RM did about everything right. The PB
peanut gallery is just too much these days however. The negativity is just, too
much guys.
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likeittacky (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:39)

 other than no sm size in 29 or mx which will leave anyone under 5'8 on a 27.5
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natebaier (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:17)

 @dariodigiulio I've been contemplating a new bike and moving from the
all-mountain style to enduro and specifically looking at the Megatower. The
wheelbase on this bike is a bit longer than the megatower. do you have time on
that bike, and can you comment on how noticeable the wheelbase difference is?
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Jman2011 (Apr 10, 2024 at 13:12)

 The ride 4 chip and chainstay flip chip allowed me to really dial in my 22
altitude. And now you added adjustable headset cups and the penalty box. The new
bike is actually starting to be a bit of looker compared to my 22. Now if we
could just improve your response time on warranty parts to your dealers!
Previous generation charges but if it’s down a month waiting on parts that
doesn’t really matter…
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Simann (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:32)

 Wonder how the LC2R suspension platform compares to the Niner CVA? Looks like
the design operates virtually the same, with the CVA having a higher BB height
with a lower lower-link position. I've had two Niner's and loved how the CVA
felt, extremely playful.
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rpl3000 (Apr 10, 2024 at 18:29)

 Almost. Next iteration flatten out the upper leg of the swingarm and make it
look like RM7/9. Loved the look of that moto-style frame!
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BermJunky (Apr 10, 2024 at 19:38)

 Looked great but was so flexy. Still didn’t stop me from riding an RM6 and an
RM7.
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rickyvic (16 hours ago)

 Vpp patent expired so why is 4 bar treated any different from vpp? Just to let
you know virtual pivot designs are all similar, the important thing is how you
tune it to achieve certain antisquat, antirise, pedal kickback, axle path.
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Grady-Harris (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:08)

 Cascade components is gonna be salty when they start making links for this bike
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catamplifier (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:44)

 they won't
the don't make links for the current lineup as it is progressive AF. To a degree
that you can run x2 without tokens
2021 Altitude has 40% progression in the neutral setting and it ramps up as you
slacken it
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succulentsausage FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:21)

 @catamplifier: yeah CC won't make anything here like they don't make anything
for YT since they're already fairly progressive too
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Genewich (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:30)

 New Cascade Extra Linear Linkage, takes it down to 19% progression and steepens
the HTA to 64.5
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jmlight10 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:22)

 they could have at least used a different colorway than the Megatower..
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bitterbiker (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:40)

 Now it looks like a Santa Cruz and has an interrupted seat tube like most other
bikes.
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thechunderdownunder (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:13)

 It looks so good in black, and the silhouette is beautiful, but then you throw
that any green half color scheme and it looks terrible.
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succulentsausage FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:23)

 Glad to see in frame storage but it's total BS to lock it behind the carbon
model. YT recently did this as well with the Jeffsy. I'm no apologist for the
big boys but Specialized and Trek are somehow able to bring this to alloy
models.
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warmerdamj FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:35)

 Likely because YT and RM know that only poor people buy aluminum bikes they
can't afford to buy anything to put in there anyway.
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HeatedRotor FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:26)

 Inframe storage is meh anyway but it adds a ton of weight to an alloy bike. as
pointed out by RM
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tipsword (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:26)

 ‍(Shrug) I like it, could be a lot of fun to ride and like the old saying
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" ~ This could ride as well as a
Santa Cruz & would that really be a bad thing?
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scotteh (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:48)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: longshot, but any chance you know where to source a THE
fender like the one that came on the 2003 Slayer and Edge?

Like this: www.pinkbike.com/photo/17673105
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beeboo (Apr 10, 2024 at 22:41)

 Sweet looking bike! Nice to see a complete redesign. It’s going to be hard to
distinguish this from a Santa Cruz, specialized and crestline from afar!!!! I
wonder if all of RM frames will follow suit???
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dirtdiggler (Apr 12, 2024 at 7:40)

 I know it's a challenge updating a design but I liked the look of the older
design more. The new one looks like it could easily be mistaken as an e-bike.
The downtube looks wider in relation to the TT. I'm sure it rides great though.
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RMB-PM (Apr 12, 2024 at 7:57)

 Something something because usable storage space in downtube
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MindPatterns FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:01)

 Looks like a Megatower.
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tcmtnbikr (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:32)

 Kudos on all the details with the reach adjust and cable management but bummed
to move from a horst link to VPP. If I wanted VPP I'd buy a Santa Cruz.
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:50)

 We’ve taken everything we loved about the race-proven and award-winning
Altitude, and cranked it up to 11. The LC2R™ design provides more support with a
more linear rate curve — so more lively, and more better. One of the main goals
was lowering that center of gravity, and this design was the way to go. Dig in a
bit deeper and you'll see that our unique take on a virtual pivot design is
actually different!
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slyfink (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:52)

 Now do the Instinct. Despite the fact that "The all-mountain enduro bike is
out, and the go-fast bike is in.", what I want is a "go-fast all-mountain" bike.
(which correct me if I'm wrong is what the Altitude used to be?!).
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finblarr (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:02)

 What do you mean? They released a new instinct a few weeks ago.
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slyfink (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:37)

 @finblarr: "new"... it's the same layout as the old one. I mean do it with this
new layout. I like everything about this new Altitude. This is obviously just my
personal opinion, but I would like it to lean more towards to "all-mountain"
side of things rather than enduro side of things... (i.e. a touch less travel,
and a leverage curve that is balanced 50/50 up/down). My bike is a 160f / 155r
"all mountain" bike that is good at going up and good at going down. It's also 8
years old. When it comes time to replace it, I'd like something that matches
those characteristics, but I'm finding increasingly hard to find.
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Jvhowube FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:00)

 @slyfink: The Atherton 150 is calling your name.
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hughbm (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:53)

 It’s so ugly goodness
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heatproofgenie (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:59)

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dariodigiulio FL Editor (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:22)

 Pretty well, it's definitely biased towards the descents. Every ride on the
bike has been 3-5k' of climbing, and it doesn't feel like it's dragging me down
at all. Sprints pretty well in trail situations.
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heatproofgenie (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:39)

 @dariodigiulio: Good to hear, thanks!
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Froday (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:25)

 Are the dark days of Horst Link over? Probably not, but happy to see less of
it.
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njcbps (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:41)

 I'd need to know a few answers:

- Why the change?
- How thoroughly has the new design been tested?

Imitation is the best form of flattery - so of course they'd want to imitate
Santa Cruz.
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justinfoil (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:55)

 So what is Ride4 Position 2 meant for? Seems like it's really Ride3, since
there is zero mention of who does number 2 work for.
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fattire4evr (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:01)

 Looks a lot like my 2008 Rocky Mtn. Slayer. LCR2 is back baby!
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twintip82 (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:14)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: Would putting a 160mm fork on this frame be possible?
I'm considering parts swap with my current bike...
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blazekelly FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:29)

 I have no use for a long travel bike...but if I did I'd get this over a Santa
Cruz just so I didn't have to be bro #284 with a SC at my local
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bok-CZ FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:42)

 Nice bike, the Alloy 70 Coil looks like a way to go for me, how much will be an
alloy frame set?
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Elpresidirrrte (Apr 10, 2024 at 16:57)

 Isn't the AirTag not a good anti-theft device because it has anti-stalking
features? Has there been changes to it or something lately?
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hal9k (Apr 11, 2024 at 14:52)

 Reintroducing the LC2R name maybe, but the original was just a linkage driven
single pivot . The heart of the VPP patent is 2 counter rotating short links
which this clearly is as well. I find it very hard to believe that there isn’t
someone at Santa Cruz legal dept with a stiffy right now. Time will tell.
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Assclapp FL (Apr 12, 2024 at 7:01)

 Thought the VPP patent(s) expired, hence the timing on this one
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hal9k (Apr 12, 2024 at 8:17)

 @Assclapp: that would make sense, I hadn’t looked into it, but damn if that’s
the case, I am getting old.
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rickyvic (16 hours ago)

 You can achieve the same kinematics with every multi link design. But then you
have a lot of other things to take care of like flex and strength, durability ,
geo etc...
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NVJAY775 (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:42)

 I was really hoping to get a small 29r which used to be medium lol. At 5'7" the
mediums reach number puts me a ways out of my RAD fit. And as much as I love the
fun factor of 27.5, I also love the rollover of 29r's. Us shorties have been
sized out the past few years. Pumped for the ones this rig fits though!
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aphollis (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:16)

 RAD is literally one guy's opinion...
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BrambleLee (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:38)

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NVJAY775 (Apr 11, 2024 at 8:00)

 @aphollis: not really, but if that's your opinion. Maybe you've had more
success at bike fit than Sam Hill or countless others using RAD? But hey! I'm
just some opinionated kook having fun playing bikes. So honestly whatever bike
and fit puts a smile on your face is the right one for you. Is there really a
right and wrong ‍♂️
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rickyvic (16 hours ago)

 I am really glad people are waking up
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Korbi777 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:45)

 Thats closest to the intense tracer in my opinion. The old version was really
cool, this not so much.
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way2manyhobbies2keep (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:13)

 Best color scheme, I'm Nomad about it
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secondnarrowstroll (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:26)

 Two tone. So hot right now. Two tone.
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souknaysh (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:45)

 two chains*
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pompousROb (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:08)

 Kind of curious to know how the main pivot on the bottom bracket works in more
detail. Are there just monster bearings?
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:27)

 You can see how it works in more detail on bikes.com, but YES, the bearings are
seriously oversized. They've been through the wringer and are super smooth, even
after a full PNW winter or riding.
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pompousROb (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:09)

 @RockyMountainBicycles: gorgeous looking bike, super excited to go check one
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dukesilver32 (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:08)

 Santa Cruz wants their homework back
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NO53LF (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:58)

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y0eddy (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:40)

 Why doesn’t it look like a Session?!?!
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ethanrevitch FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:41)

 I was not expecting it to look liked that.
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vemegen (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:50)

 screw that, i'm gonna say it: looks like a nomad
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Code98 (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:55)

 Love a 2013 trek remedy 9 color scheme
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mmiloou (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:59)

 The alloy 30 for $4k seems like a fair deal
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dividebyzero (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:23)

 Definitely not getting another bike with an X2. Disappointed to not see a Vivid
option.
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ceegeegee FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:30)

 Welcome back to the 21st century Finally a new design that looks modern They
making bikes that look like they regressed in time Bring back a DH bike !
Whoever has been making the decisions in the last 5 to 10 years should be fired
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padirt (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:36)

 Pedaling is overrated and overpriced
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NO53LF (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:59)

 The comments are exactly as positive as I expected, lol.
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ocho FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:16)

 looks good, should be a fast bike
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JustinCovey (Apr 10, 2024 at 17:23)

 patiently waiting for transition to get of the fsr band wagon and hop ships to
vpp!
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bullcrew (Apr 10, 2024 at 20:47)

 Yep can't unsee it, it looks like the SC...Dont care where the difference lies,
the shape, design and lines are damn near the same...that's like make it 30%
different so we don't get sued type of close.
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bicycali (Apr 11, 2024 at 7:32)

 Does anyone else remember how bad the LC2R Slayer was compared to the models
before and after? That design disappeared for a reason, unless the market was
clamoring for bikes with 30% less fun-factor.
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zonoskar (Apr 11, 2024 at 12:14)

 At least it doesn't have a high pivot.
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bigtim FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:11)

 All that information and it doesn't tell you how high it actually goes.
Disappointing with a name like that..
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kperras (Apr 10, 2024 at 19:24)

 Some of the Rocky testers have ridden it at 42,069ft.
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constantly-broken FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:13)

 Rocky Mountain Mega Tracer?
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HVrider (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:33)

 This bike is sexy
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skywalkdontrun (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:45)

 Awww, they copy/pasted a Specialized Enduro and crossed it with a Nomad. How
cute.
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alexsin (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:58)

 Except it doesn't really have anything to do with the Enduro. It's precisely a
Nomad/Megatower but with the lower link pivoting around the BB, and less elegant
industrial design.
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bKrack FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:12)

 How many new product launches have happened in the past 24 hours? lol
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BrambleLee (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:53)

 Is the 4th geo position slacker than slack or steeper than steep?
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RockyMountainBicycles (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:05)

 With LC2R, it's a bit different than Smoothlink. Position 4 is steep, position
1 is slack. You can see the details (and how the geo changes) on the product
page on bikes.com
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spudsmtb FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:22)

 2013 Bronson called, it's pissed off and wants its paint scheme back
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novajustin (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:10)

 lime green? this is like mint green
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nosewheelly FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:32)

 what no flip chips and dip 29 combos
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mkul7r4 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:15)

 That is straight up one of the ugliest colorways I've ever seen
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motdrawde (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:23)

 Yeah but when’s the new stumpjumper coming out?
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dale-m29 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:06)

 Umm $15k for a bike with the previous generation sram brakes when the new ones
have been out for a year now? I'll pass
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nigelnobrakes (Apr 10, 2024 at 14:41)

 I like their bikes but I the 2 tone colour schemes put me off
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watchtower (Apr 10, 2024 at 16:48)

 It looks good from here, that's about all I'm qualified to say .
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peteandhisbike FL (Apr 11, 2024 at 0:04)

 Vets need a bike just like the dentist..
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Kyej43 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:03)

 Or an enduro
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viewsofjdr FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:05)

 Did not expect this
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AgustinFlores FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:36)

 Nice spesh enduro
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Fishride (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:40)

 wher is the stam udh
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Oldfatslowrider71 (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:49)

 lol what is this? Santa cruz or intense? maybe they hired someone new?
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brownstone (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:00)

 Well we know where Nukeproof designs ended up, this looks a lot like the Giga
to me
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4thflowkage (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:13)

 People see any low shock bike now and call it a santa cruz
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likeittacky (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:34)

 Thats Forbidden
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vemegen (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:50)

 whos gonna say it?
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brownstone (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:00)

 How is this not a Nukeproof Giga?
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pompousROb (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:18)

 Overall look is very similar, but pretty different with the Pass-Through shock
and the main pivot being on the bottom bracket. It is super similar to santa
cruz's VPP
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tommyriddle FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 10:13)

 F*cking sick of URT.
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jimmyricard (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:00)

 Ew, 29
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nfa2005 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:28)

 Ah is this a Santa Cruz?
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florepe (Apr 10, 2024 at 13:38)

 donut calls it forbidden
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justinfoil (Apr 12, 2024 at 12:04)

 Who does #2 work for?
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Fishride (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:40)

 sra
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docs90 (Apr 11, 2024 at 3:40)

 I smell a law suit ....
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topsog (Apr 10, 2024 at 11:28)

 Shitty warranty...................sorry Rocky..........I'm out
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Kyej43 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 15:31)

 Hi
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Superboost (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:08)

 Rocky Mountain has the worst customer service that I’ve personally experienced
in the bike industry due to lack of staff. The CEO is ruining the brand’s
reputation. They are without question, losing a significant amount of money
every year to other brands that have sufficient staffing numbers, and can
actually get the job done. Whoever is in charge needs to fix the company because
you’re not doing it right.
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jomacba (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:00)

 About time they ditched that shit suspension design.
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bromigo69 (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:51)

 Annnnd they ruined it
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Kenroth33 (Apr 10, 2024 at 13:09)

 Let's just start copying more brands panzies.. they can't come out with their
own designs panzies
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mel22b FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:47)

 What no X0 T-type option??? Someone's drunk at Rocky
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rick26 (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:48)

 Carbon 99 is specced with X0 T-Type, first model listed above...
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mel22b FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:59)

 @rick26: Of course you know this, but the Carbon 99 with Flight Attendant at a
million dollars is not what I was referring to. I am pointing out that there is
no mid/high level X0 kit.
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Albert1Chai (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:05)

 A clumsy copycat.
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dgwww (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:35)

 Agreed, looks like a Chinese knockoff of a Santa Cruz
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a-prince (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:33)

 Dreadnought = super sexy lady, but you know its going to be high maintenance
and you probably shouldn’t
Altitude = the maybe less attractive lady that is not crazy and won’t drain your
bank account, but absolutely the more reasonable and down to earth choice
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burningpines (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:37)

 Pretty weird thing to say bro
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jaydawg69 FL (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:00)

 have you looked at the prices?
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dick-pound (Apr 10, 2024 at 7:11)

 I still don't understand what kind of idiot make the decision to produce the
smallest frame only in 27.5, rather than at least MX. I bet I could count their
brain cells with the fingers in a single hand.
It's just a waste of resources cause there's no way they will ever sell one.
Just offer it from M onwards instead of trying to be "inclusive" and offering
something that you know will have no demand.
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WasatchEnduro (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:02)

 Dick comment, Mr. Pound.
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luckynugget (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:14)

 I can picture in my mind some angry swiss XC guy who is 4'11" getting mad his
bike isn't dual 29" and the dropper doesn't go far enough up his ass
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WheelNut (Apr 10, 2024 at 8:36)

 Small 27.5 bikes still sell. Large 27.5 bikes do not sell. When bikes are
offered in both 29 and 27.5 it is the case that 27.5 outsells 29 in the smallest
size. Switzerland is bit of a "unique market", so of course the Swiss opinion is
going to be contradictory.
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4thflowkage (Apr 10, 2024 at 9:14)

 "bro why make a small size aint no way women are real"
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dick-pound (Apr 10, 2024 at 12:02) (Below Threshold) show comment

 @4thflowkage: So women go slow and need to ride 27.5? Is that the reasoning
behind? They should just offer it in the same size as the rest of the range.
What this clowns and also Trek did for their Slash is plain stupid.
430 is quite a big reach, pretty much what 162 to 172 person uses so not such a
small size. I understand that way smaller sizes might sell better in 27.5 but
that's just mainly because of kids. What kind of parent spends +5K on a bike for
their kids though?
This decisions made by complete idiots make no sense and are actually not
"inclusive".
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AndrewHornor (Apr 10, 2024 at 16:15)

 @dick-pound: Ever see a fail video where somebody butt buzzes on a drop and it
flips them over the bars? Big wheels + big travel + small person = bad idea
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4thflowkage (Apr 10, 2024 at 18:46)

 @dick-pound: "So women go slow and need to ride 27.5? Is that the reasoning
behind?"

No, if you're 155 cm tall a 27.5 wheel is probably a lot, lot easier to manage.
A 29 inch wheel for someone 155cm is like a 35" wheel for me.
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korev FL (Apr 11, 2024 at 5:17)

 @WheelNut: I'm curious to know why you think that here is a "unique market"
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WheelNut (Apr 11, 2024 at 9:25)

 @korev: Its just more lightweight focused than at home here in BC and the
trails (from what I hear) are tight and jank in a lot of places. Its a place
that requires a pretty light and super maneuverable bike from what I hear. I
really, really want to ride there one day!
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dick-pound (Apr 11, 2024 at 11:56)

 @4thflowkage: What kind of 155 person buys a bike with 430 reach? Besides that,
why would a 29 be hard to manage for a 160/170 tall person? Your statements make
no sense.
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dick-pound (Apr 11, 2024 at 11:58)

 @AndrewHornor: that's user error, not wheel size. If you're riding an enduro
bike with your but on wheel size there's a lot more things to change before even
getting to wheel size.
Also genius, how does that an MX make any difference in that?
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4thflowkage (Apr 11, 2024 at 12:45)

 @dick-pound: I like how you're main debate strategy is to just be intentionally
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AndrewHornor (Apr 11, 2024 at 15:47)

 @dick-pound: I mistakenly thought you were advocating for full 29 when you said
"at least MX." To me this implied you thought full 29 would be acceptable or
even good for a size small rider.

I will push back as well on the idea that butt buzz is only a technique issue.
Of course it can be, but sometimes we just need to get low and back.
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dick-pound (Apr 11, 2024 at 16:54)

 @4thflowkage: No, you're just talking without any first hand experience since
you don't ride smaller sized frames and you're obviously a taller individual.
How would you know? You're just guessing like the idiots from RM who made this
kind of decisions.
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WasatchEnduro (Apr 12, 2024 at 7:53)

 @dick-pound:

We get it. Rocky are idiots and you're the expert on sizing.

Maybe take a break from pounding d*** and go for a ride?
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