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JAPAN STEPS UP PUSH TO GET PUBLIC TO SIGN UP FOR DIGITAL IDS

Oct. 25 05:28 pm JST Oct. 25 | 05:28 pm JST
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By YURI KAGEYAMA

TOKYO

Japan has stepped up its push to catch up on digitization by telling a reluctant
public they have to sign up for digital IDs or possibly lose access to their
public health insurance.

As the naming implies, the initiative is about assigning numbers to people,
similar to Social Security numbers in the U.S. Many Japanese worry the
information might be misused or that their personal information might be stolen.
Some view the My Number effort as a violation of their right to privacy.

So the system that kicked off in 2016 has never fully caught on. Fax machines
are still commonplace, and many Japanese conduct much of their business in
person, with cash. Some bureaucratic procedures can be done online, but many
Japanese offices still require inkan, or seals for stamping, for identification,
and insist on people bringing paper forms to offices.

Now the government is asking people to apply for plastic My Number cards
equipped with microchips and photos, to be linked to drivers licenses and the
public health insurance plans. Health insurance cards now in use, which lack
photos, will be discontinued in late 2024. People will be required to use My
Number cards instead.

That has drawn a backlash, with an online petition demanding a continuation of
the current health cards drawing more than 100,000 signatures in a few days.

Opponents of the change say the current system has been working for decades and
going digital would require extra work at a time when the pandemic is still
straining the medical system.

But the reluctance to go digital extends beyond the health care system. After
numerous scandals over leaks and other mistakes, many Japanese distrust the
government’s handling of data. They’re also wary about government overreach,
partly a legacy of authoritarian regimes before and during World War II.

Saeko Fujimori, who works in the music copyright business, said she's supposed
to get My Number information from the people she deals with, but many balk at
giving it out. And no one is all that surprised she has trouble getting that
information, given how unpopular it is.

“There is a microchip in it, and that means there could be fraud,” said
Fujimori, who has a My Number but doesn't intend to get the new card. “If a
machine is reading all the information, that can lead to mistakes in the medical
sector, too.”

“If this was coming from a trustworthy leadership and the economy was thriving,
maybe we would think about it, but not now,” Fujimori said.

Something drastic may have to happen for people to accept such changes, just as
it took a devastating defeat in World War II for Japan to transform itself into
an economic powerhouse, said Hidenori Watanave, a professor at the University of
Tokyo.

“There’s resistance playing out everywhere,” he said.

Japanese traditionally take pride in meticulous, handcraft-quality workmanship
and many also devote themselves to carefully keeping track of documents and
neatly filing them away.

“There are too many people worried their jobs are going to disappear. These
people see digitization as a negation of their past work,” said Watanave, who
spells his last name with a “v” instead of the usual “b."

The process of getting an existing My Number digitized is time consuming and
very analog, it turns out. One must fill out and mail back forms sent by mail.
Last month’s initial deadline was extended, but only about half of the Japanese
population have a My Number, according to the government.

“They keep failing in anything digital and we have no memories of successful
digital transformation by the government,” said Nobi Hayashi, a consultant and
technology expert.

Hayashi cited as a recent example Cocoa, the government’s tracing app for
COVID-19, which proved unpopular and often ineffectual. He says the digital
promotion effort needs to be more “vision-driven.”

“They don’t show a bigger picture, or they don’t have one,” Hayashi said.

Koichi Kurosawa, secretary-general at the National Confederation of Trade
Unions, a 1 million-member grouping of labor unions, said people would be
happier with digitization if it made their work easier and shorter, but it was
doing just the opposite at many Japanese work places.

“People feel this is about allocating numbers to people the way teams have
numbers on their uniforms,” he said. “They are worried it will lead to tighter
surveillance.”

That’s why people are saying No to My Number, he said in a phone interview with
The Associated Press.

Yojiro Maeda, a cooperative research fellow at Nagasaki University who studies
local governments, thinks digitization is needed, and My Number is a step in the
right direction.

“You just have to do it,” Maeda said.

On Monday, Prime Minister Fumio Kishida acknowledged concerns about My Number
cards. He told lawmakers in the Diet that the old health insurance cards will be
phased out but the government will arrange for people to continue to use their
public health insurance if they are paying into a health plan.

Japan's Minister of Digital Affairs, Taro Kono, acknowledged in a recent
interview with The Associated Press that more is needed to persuade people of
the benefits of going digital.

“To create a digitized society, we need to work on developing new
infrastructure. My Number cards could serve as a passport that will open such
doors,” Kono said. “We need to win people’s understanding so that My Number
cards get used in all kinds of situations.”

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YUBARU

OCT. 25 05:31 PM JST



> Some view the My Number effort as a violation of their right to privacy.

Yup, been saying this all along!

> If this was coming from a trustworthy leadership and the economy was thriving,
> maybe we would think about it, but not now,” Fujimori said.

My opinion, going to snow in hell before there is a "thriving economy" and
"trustworthy leadership" here in Japan!

5( +28 / -23 )


DIAGONALSLIP

OCT. 25 05:37 PM JST



> by telling a reluctant public they have to sign up for digital IDs or possibly
> lose access to their public health insurance.

ahh..... the good old 'ramp up the fear' gambit..... what unconscionable sh*ts
these people are!

15( +27 / -12 )


TORA

OCT. 25 05:49 PM JST



> Japanese traditionally take pride in meticulous, handcraft-quality workmanship
> and many also devote themselves to carefully keeping track of documents and
> neatly filing them away.

I love it!

1( +10 / -9 )


PETER14

OCT. 25 05:51 PM JST



They already have passports, drivers licenses and tax numbers, why do they need
more? Use what is already collected in a better more efficient way without
demanding yet another identifier for the unscrupulous to exploit. For any adult
with no passport, license or income/tax number then fine, for those people alone
give them an ID card.

15( +19 / -4 )


GOBSHITE

OCT. 25 05:51 PM JST



Welcome to the 20th century...... oh hang on

-2( +14 / -16 )


ジョージ

OCT. 25 05:53 PM JST



“We need to win people’s understanding so that My Number cards get used in all
kinds of situations.”

I stand ready to have my understanding won by you.

11( +14 / -3 )


BADGE213

OCT. 25 05:55 PM JST



Before my number cities had something called a "juki card" and "juki code" which
was eventually replaced by "my number" due to low adoption. My prediction is
come 2023 there will still be scores of people, especially elderly who do not
have a my number card yet with the system being overloaded with applications
(like it did during covid times when people could get their stimulus faster if
they had a mynumber card) and the 2024 date will be scrapped.

8( +9 / -1 )


GENHXZ

OCT. 25 06:01 PM JST



Orwell would be proud, it's all going towards that 'future' but instead of a
barcode, it will be a QR code, same thing really. Chona already there, leading
the way.

5( +11 / -6 )


DAN

OCT. 25 06:02 PM JST



I got ¥20,000( via Pay Pay for putting my info on the MyNumber card.

Sankyu beri muchi!

-15( +2 / -17 )


LINDSAY

OCT. 25 06:06 PM JST



Hopefully Japan has done something about updating their cybersecurity before
making this mandatory. I’d hate to see this data accidentally thrown away on a
floppy disc.

3( +11 / -8 )


BLUE IN GREEN

OCT. 25 06:07 PM JST



Social credit is next.

Resist as if your life, liberty and privacy were at stake,

because they are.

14( +17 / -3 )


DAGON

OCT. 25 06:11 PM JST



> After numerous scandals over leaks and other mistakes, many Japanese distrust
> the government’s handling of data. They’re also wary about government
> overreach, partly a legacy of authoritarian regimes before and during World
> War II.

All very legitimate concerns and instead of offering benefits to the public for
this adoption in the end it will be.

> “You just have to do it,” Maeda said.

6( +8 / -2 )


JEFFLEE

OCT. 25 06:14 PM JST



I tried for a second time last week to register my kokumin nenkin online account
to my My Number number. FAIL! The site told me MN doesn’t support my OS, which
is ChromeOS. The conventional log in, using password and ID, works fine.

So, what is the purpose of limiting NM’s usability, yet telling everyone they
must use it?!?! Boggles the mind. I’ve had nothing but trouble with the number
and its stupid IC card since getting it last year. Avoid it if you can.

13( +16 / -3 )


JTC

OCT. 25 06:16 PM JST



Foreigners have to carry around an ID card ("gaijin card"), Japanese have an
equivalent version too - though it's a different color.

2( +6 / -4 )


LARR FLINT

OCT. 25 06:16 PM JST



They are looking for a full control before the economic system collapse.

-2( +10 / -12 )


JTC

OCT. 25 06:24 PM JST



The question I have, about this consolidation of everything to the "My Number"
cards, is, quite simply, can I walk into any Doctors Surgery now, and use that
Card - has it been implemented everywhere ? And what information is available to
the user of that card when I hand it over ?

6( +8 / -2 )


TIM SULLIVAN

OCT. 25 06:30 PM JST



Patrick McGoohan got it right over 50 years ago in The Prisoner: "I'm not a
number, I'm a free man!"

5( +9 / -4 )


LAGUNA

OCT. 25 06:42 PM JST



I don't have a problem with it if it would increase efficiency. My every visit
to city hall is a descent into bureaucratic purgatory with five people
laboriously doing the work of one - and even that work is unnecessary. US SS
numbers are only nine digits - about as long as a phone number - so are easily
memorized. I'll occasionally need mine for tax filing or other financial
undertakings but never need to show my card (don't think I even still have it).
If ya wanna bin something unnecessary, get rid of family registration.

8( +10 / -2 )


DIDOU

OCT. 25 06:45 PM JST



I do not see the problem to have an id number and the card. However, this must
be imposed and enforced legally. The technical issue is that it is not legal to
impose the card. The upper court could dismiss the government proposal if some
groups complain and there is not change of the law.

> telling a reluctant public they have to sign up for digital IDs or possibly
> lose access to their public health insurance.

They must be all scared. Well, still two years

-2( +1 / -3 )


GAIJINJLAND

OCT. 25 06:56 PM JST



I don’t have the physical My Number card because I never bothered and the only
time I’ve ever been asked for it was sending money overseas via western union.
Nothing in this article is new. Every legal resident in Japan has already been
assigned a my number. The government has had everyone numbered since 2016 even
if you never bothered to get the card like me. If you don’t have the physical
card just go to the ward office and get a copy of your juminhyou and check the
box telling them to put the number at the top. And people have been able to get
the my number cards with the IC chip and photo from the day it rolled out in
2016 if they wanted to. So if ur worried the government has your data, they’ve
already had it for for the past almost 7 years.

0( +5 / -5 )


TAMANEGI

OCT. 25 07:02 PM JST



"Japanese traditionally take pride in meticulous, handcraft-quality workmanship
and many also devote themselves to carefully keeping track of documents and
neatly filing them away" ???

1( +3 / -2 )


WALLACE

OCT. 25 07:20 PM JST



Digital is supposed to make life easy.

Just back from the Post Office. Sending a bunch of mail and some EMS.

Previously, I would handwrite the address on the package and stick some stamps
on it and hand it over.

With EMS I have to first go online and log in. Then fill out a long form
accurately.

Print three sheets and book a day at the PO.

Fill out some more forms and put the printed one in a plastic sleeve attached to
the package.

Pay ¥3,900 to send a small EMS to New York.

Total time about 3 hours.

14( +16 / -2 )


SISTER JANE

OCT. 25 07:36 PM JST



TPTB are going to try to push something similar all over the

Globe, all good tyrants everywhere can't wait to have Digital

ID with all of our data on it. If the authorities decide that you're

not a good citizen, they can just turn off your digital life.

5( +6 / -1 )


MARK

OCT. 25 08:26 PM JST



Japan is NOT alone, many countries don't even have a Social Security system or a
number. Basically you work till you die, you are on your own all the way to your
grave.

-3( +1 / -4 )


PAUL

OCT. 25 09:17 PM JST



Kono talks of digitalazation, but not many places accept My Number card as a
health insurance!

At my pharmacy, they don't even accept e-payments.

5( +6 / -1 )


YRRAL

OCT. 25 09:28 PM JST



Mark of the beast, LOL,you are already being tracked with subway card,they know
where you go an often , Google Japan Subway Card Tracking

-1( +4 / -5 )


GBR48

OCT. 25 10:20 PM JST



quote: Something drastic may have to happen for people to accept such changes.

Be careful what you wish for. Governments are good at 'something drastic' -
Brexit, energy sanctions, lockdowns etc.

There is nothing wrong with having a national ID system for stuff like
healthcare and tax. What is concerning is mission creep. It is the
infrastructure for the surveillance society. Once it kicks off, it can be
enforced in more areas until everything you do, everything you buy and
everywhere you are can be tracked 24/7.

Additionally, tech is less resilient than analogue, and governments are rubbish
at tech. So although generally faster, when it falls over (and it will),
everything stops.

I started writing software in the early 80s, so you'd think I'd be a supporter
of all things digital. In fact I prefer to use cash where I can, use paper forms
to pay my tax, listen to CDs and watch DVDs.

Ultimately, governments will just force us all to switch one way or another.
Around the world, all governments are getting more Chinese every day, but on the
sly. It's not the Russian, North Korean or Chinese governments who are going to
mess with your life, it is always your own government that is going to do that.

9( +10 / -1 )


SMITHINJAPAN

OCT. 25 10:23 PM JST



"Opponents of the change say the current system has been working for decades and
going digital would require extra work at a time when the pandemic is still
straining the medical system."

There are plenty of reasons to be against the change, but this is not one of
them. One reason the medical system is under strain still is because of how
antiquated it is and what was required to even get an appointment to begin with.
Then doctors had to fax documents, stamp them, etc., and it took Japan more than
a year to get where the rest of the world was and it is STILL behind in most
respects.

You want a reason to be against it? How about when you hand your MyNumber card
over to a medical practitioner you are also giving him your bank card and a
whole lot of other unrelated, private info they do not need, but will have
access to. You in a nursing home? Gone are the days when your nurses and doctors
will just be holding a health card for you, they'll be holding everything else,
including access to your pension, bank, and more.

-3( +2 / -5 )


MASTER

OCT. 25 10:24 PM JST



Digital IDs serve no other purpose than to funnel us towards a Chinese-style
social credit score system.

4( +9 / -5 )


NOSUKE

OCT. 25 10:27 PM JST



Digital is great until the system goes down during buisness and no on can get
anything done thats the huge problem you think you have the best Highly
available cluster systems that will forever keep running without any down time.
Some time digital has its place.

3( +3 / -0 )


HARRY_GATTO

OCT. 25 10:31 PM JST



> YrralToday  09:28 pm JST
> 
> Mark of the beast, LOL,you are already being tracked with subway card,they
> know where you go an often , Google Japan Subway Card Tracking

Wrong. Prepaid Suica and Pasmo cards are anonymous.

6( +6 / -0 )


DIDOU

OCT. 25 10:43 PM JST



@wallace

Totally agree with you.

on the customer side, it was much easier to send an EMS and faster. We also must
or are supposed to indicate each item with their numbers and respective side.
For the post office, it is certainly much easier.

Using paper has still a lot of merit

3( +3 / -0 )


PROXY

OCT. 25 11:31 PM JST



How is My Number associated with the use of fax machines and cash? They should
not be linked.

7( +7 / -0 )


CRASHTESTDUMMY

OCT. 26 12:08 AM JST



I think this is the step just before everyone getting microchipped. Lol.

1( +3 / -2 )


YRRAL

OCT. 26 01:13 AM JST



Gatto,if you use a bank debit card to purchase the card,your bank data is
attached to the suica card

-3( +1 / -4 )


YUBARU

OCT. 26 05:36 AM JST



>  The site told me MN doesn’t support my OS, which is ChromeOS. 

Have experienced this with a number of "Japanese" sites. It's frustrating to say
the least and it's probably because the people who designed it thought that all
Japanese were still using Explorer!

3( +4 / -1 )


CHABBAWANGA

OCT. 26 06:20 AM JST



Digital ID today. Centralized digital currency tomorrow.

5( +5 / -0 )


FRANZ PICHLER

OCT. 26 06:28 AM JST



Get that card. Most arguments listed here for not getting one are totally
ignorant.

-5( +1 / -6 )


AWA NO GAIJIN

OCT. 26 06:49 AM JST



> Lose access to public health insurance

That's just cruel !

And lets not forget that even tho people paid for health insurance they couldn't
receive it during the pandemic and were told to stay home and then died.

This Manchurian candidate Orwellian system is disgusting.

They should be offering more healthcare and assistance not threatening less
healthcare and assistance.

4( +5 / -1 )


WADDO

OCT. 26 09:10 AM JST



said Watanave, who spells his last name with a “v” instead of the usual “b."

Quality journalism.

0( +0 / -0 )


NIHON TORA

OCT. 26 09:50 AM JST



Why is this necessary? We haven’t had any problems up until now without it.

The COVID pandemic should have highlighted to everyone that even in so-called
liberal democratic countries, governments simply cannot be trusted with
ever-increasing controls and powers over our lives. I hope that the Japanese
people continue to resist such schemes. No to this and no to attempts to move
toward a cashless society.

1( +1 / -0 )


BUDDY

OCT. 26 10:00 AM JST



I don't have my card yet but I'm uncomfortable with my number written on the
card itself and having have to carry it around in lieu of my health insurance
card. I think this will only give way to identity fraud, if my actual number is
stolen. Also, I really don't want to carry both cards - the MyNumber card and
the Zairyu card.

1( +1 / -0 )


ALGERNON LACROIX

OCT. 26 10:37 AM JST



Governments around the world seem to be dead set on consolidating their control
over their populations at the expense of individual liberty and personal
privacy, under the banner of "keeping us safe". It is good, though, to see
plenty of resistance because people simply don't trust the system or the people
who are supposed to be running it.

2( +2 / -0 )


EASTMAN

OCT. 26 10:46 AM JST



all of foreigners living in Japan needs allien card with name,surname address
and photo on it and legal status.

same thing never applies for japanese as even in 2022 they "did not invent" ID
for themselves.

dont need to say a word extra at all.

-1( +1 / -2 )


HARRY_GATTO

OCT. 26 10:47 AM JST



> YrralToday  01:13 am JST
> 
> Gatto,if you use a bank debit card to purchase the card,your bank data is
> attached to the suica card

Nonsense, show me some evidence please.

-1( +0 / -1 )


WALLACE

OCT. 26 11:25 AM JST



All non-citizens require a Residents Card. Citizens are not required to carry ID
unless driving. All people require a Health Insurance card. I think many
foreigners don't have health insurance. All residents have a "My Number" but
only about 40% have the card. The data contained in the card is very limited.

Last night, for the first time, I logged into MY Number using a smartphone. A
bit complicated including scanning the actual card and only in Japanese but it
worked.

If the health insurance card becomes part of MY Number there will not be any
centralized health data and will only have the details already provided by the
health insurance card.

Without a health insurance card, you have to pay the full amount of treatment.

There are reasons to have a combined card. There are reasons not to.

The health insurance card is replaced every year. My Number card needs to be
renewed every five years.

-1( +0 / -1 )


BLUE

OCT. 26 12:46 PM JST



@wallace

> All people require a Health Insurance card. I think many foreigners don't have
> health insurance. 

Then, either they (the foreigners) or their employers are in breach of the law.

https://japanhpn.org/en/hs1/

> *Mandatory coverage** for anyone who permanently resides in Japan for three
> months or more. This includes both Japanese citizens and non-Japanese
> citizens.*

On a side-note, at the bottom of the food-chain are the (Japanese) day-workers
who I strongly doubt have any coverage whatsoever due to their status...(not
mentioning that the yakuza are more-than-often involved are "intermediaries"...)

> The health insurance card is replaced every year. .

The validity / requirements for replacing the card depends on your status (e.g.
dependent, worker, retired). As a salaryman in a (reasonably) big company, I
have a health insurance card issued through my company and keep it as long as I
remain employed by said company. I believe pensioners need to replace the card
every single year (to be confirmed, anybody knows?).

> My Number card needs to be renewed every five years

5 years after issuance you need to renew the e-certification. 10 years after
issuance you need to apply for a new physical card.

> If the health insurance card becomes part of MY Number there will not be any
> centralized health data and will only have the details already provided by the
> health insurance card.

This is very logic starts to take a hike with MN.

MN is being sold as making things more "effective" and centralizing data makes
sense, is effective, enables big data analysis, etc. Therefore, if MN does
exactly NOT do that (centralizing), and the only details are the details of the
health insurance card, then why are we wasting time with this whole thingamabob
and don't keep the current cards? Not even mentioning that purpose of and
details indicated on the actual cards vary between health insurance card,
driving license, pension book and zairyu card which is the actual reason why we
have different cards...

What is pre-recorded or recorded on a transactional basis on the MN card's IC
chip is also one of these many oh-so-fuzzy things around MN. Not later than a
week ago on Fuji TV there was an "IT expert" advocating for MN and, in regard to
public distrust as to how data is handled by the card, who stated that.

.nothing was pre-recorded on the IC chip

.no transactional data would be recorded on the IC chip

...which of course kind of makes you wonder why there is a chip on the card to
start with...but, in a weird twist he then also stated that:

.should people who are not entitled to read the (well, I guess "empty") IC chip
actually do attempt to read the chip, the chip would..."self-destroy"...???

Putting the dubious Tom Cruise Mission Impossible claim of self-destroying IC
chips aside for a minute, you are still stuck wondering why there would be need
to have an "empty" IC chip self-destroy...??? Yet another one of these moments
when explanations around MN leave you with more questions than you actually had
before the explanations...

-2( +1 / -3 )


SZERO25

OCT. 26 12:48 PM JST



This is just an excuse to implement digital IDs that can be linked to digital
currency and social credit. People don't trust it because it's an obvious
attempt to take more control over the population and remove their freedoms.

You can modernise the whole paper work process without implementing digital IDs.

The issue was never not having a centralised linked digital ID it was to do with
outdated processes, double and often triple handling of documents and a general
inability of managers and employees to be able to use technology.

This is just a power grab pure and simple, they implement this authoritarian
system under the guise of fixing an issue that its not actually going to fix. I
hope the entire population pushes back.

2( +2 / -0 )


ALY RUSTOM

OCT. 26 12:52 PM JST



I'd say to the Japanese, welcome to our world. As foreigners, our Zairyu cards
which we already have to carry everywhere already have IC chips in them.

-2( +1 / -3 )


BEN

OCT. 26 01:34 PM JST



I can’t send money to my Yucho bank without this.

I applied for this and never heard anything back.

I asked about it at city hall and was ignored.

This my number BS is just a massive inconvenience.

2( +2 / -0 )

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