www.youtube.com
Open in
urlscan Pro
2607:f8b0:4006:81f::200e
Public Scan
Submitted URL: https://link.mail.beehiiv.com/ss/c/u001.GDno2kig3znYfhYO1hzj7payzbaboXMGaMRJYq3FSRUwEeSsMbvL0rO7vzWf63q4lZ7mD7G2z30X6YOHYmz519...
Effective URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugvHCXCOmm4&_bhlid=6a1f8e402ad78bb2cc77e54e9f4955cce587c93e
Submission: On December 18 via api from AE — Scanned from US
Effective URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugvHCXCOmm4&_bhlid=6a1f8e402ad78bb2cc77e54e9f4955cce587c93e
Submission: On December 18 via api from AE — Scanned from US
Form analysis 2 forms found in the DOM
/results
<form action="/results" class="ytSearchboxComponentSearchForm"><input name="search_query" type="text" autocomplete="off" autocorrect="off" aria-autocomplete="list" role="combobox" class="ytSearchboxComponentInput yt-searchbox-input title"
placeholder="Search"></form>/results
<form id="search-form" action="/results" class="style-scope ytd-searchbox">
<div id="container" class="style-scope ytd-searchbox">
<yt-icon id="search-icon" class="style-scope ytd-searchbox"><!--css-build:shady--><!--css-build:shady--><span class="yt-icon-shape style-scope yt-icon yt-spec-icon-shape">
<div style="width: 100%; height: 100%; display: block; fill: currentcolor;"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" fill="currentColor" height="24" viewBox="0 0 24 24" width="24" focusable="false" aria-hidden="true"
style="pointer-events: none; display: inherit; width: 100%; height: 100%;">
<path clip-rule="evenodd" d="M16.296 16.996a8 8 0 11.707-.708l3.909 3.91-.707.707-3.909-3.909zM18 11a7 7 0 00-14 0 7 7 0 1014 0z" fill-rule="evenodd"></path>
</svg></div>
</span></yt-icon>
<div id="search-input" class="ytd-searchbox-spt" slot="search-input"><input id="search" autocapitalize="none" autocomplete="off" autocorrect="off" name="search_query" tabindex="0" type="text" spellcheck="false" placeholder="Search"
aria-label="Search"></div>
<div id="search-clear-button" class="style-scope ytd-searchbox" hidden=""><ytd-button-renderer class="style-scope ytd-searchbox" button-renderer="" button-next=""><!--css-build:shady--><yt-button-shape><button
class="yt-spec-button-shape-next yt-spec-button-shape-next--text yt-spec-button-shape-next--mono yt-spec-button-shape-next--size-m yt-spec-button-shape-next--icon-only-default" aria-disabled="false" aria-label="Clear search query"
title="" style="">
<div class="yt-spec-button-shape-next__icon" aria-hidden="true"><yt-icon style="width: 24px; height: 24px;"><!--css-build:shady--><!--css-build:shady--><span class="yt-icon-shape style-scope yt-icon yt-spec-icon-shape">
<div style="width: 100%; height: 100%; display: block; fill: currentcolor;"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" enable-background="new 0 0 24 24" height="24" viewBox="0 0 24 24" width="24" focusable="false" aria-hidden="true"
style="pointer-events: none; display: inherit; width: 100%; height: 100%;">
<path d="m12.71 12 8.15 8.15-.71.71L12 12.71l-8.15 8.15-.71-.71L11.29 12 3.15 3.85l.71-.71L12 11.29l8.15-8.15.71.71L12.71 12z"></path>
</svg></div>
</span></yt-icon></div><yt-touch-feedback-shape style="border-radius: inherit;">
<div class="yt-spec-touch-feedback-shape yt-spec-touch-feedback-shape--touch-response" aria-hidden="true">
<div class="yt-spec-touch-feedback-shape__stroke" style=""></div>
<div class="yt-spec-touch-feedback-shape__fill" style=""></div>
</div>
</yt-touch-feedback-shape>
</button></yt-button-shape><tp-yt-paper-tooltip offset="8" disable-upgrade=""></tp-yt-paper-tooltip></ytd-button-renderer></div>
</div>
<div id="search-container" class="ytd-searchbox-spt" slot="search-container"></div>
</form>Text Content
• NaN / NaN • NaN / NaN Play (k) Back Skip navigation Search Search Search with your voice Sign in Dario Amodei: Anthropic CEO on Claude, AGI & the Future of AI & Humanity | Lex Fridman Podcast #452 Search Watch later Share Copy link Info Shopping Tap to unmute 2x If playback doesn't begin shortly, try restarting your device. • Up next Live Upcoming CancelPlay Now and last year we wereat undergraduate level, Lex Fridman Subscribe Subscribed You're signed out Videos you watch may be added to the TV's watch history and influence TV recommendations. To avoid this, cancel and sign in to YouTube on your computer. CancelConfirm Share Include playlist An error occurred while retrieving sharing information. Please try again later. 0:01 0:02 / 5:15:00•Watch full videoLive • Introduction • Scroll for details DARIO AMODEI: ANTHROPIC CEO ON CLAUDE, AGI & THE FUTURE OF AI & HUMANITY | LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST #452 Lex Fridman Lex Fridman Verified 4.43M subscribers <__slot-el> Subscribe <__slot-el> Subscribed 14K Share Download Download Save 1.2M views 1 month ago Lex Fridman Podcast 1,296,434 views • Nov 11, 2024 • Lex Fridman Podcast Show less Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic, the company that created Claude. Amanda Askell is an AI researcher working on Claude's character and personality. Chris Olah is an AI researcher working on mechanistic interpretability. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep452-sb …...more ...more CHAPTERS VIEW ALL INTRODUCTION INTRODUCTION 0:00 INTRODUCTION 0:00 SCALING LAWS SCALING LAWS 3:14 SCALING LAWS 3:14 LIMITS OF LLM SCALING LIMITS OF LLM SCALING 12:20 LIMITS OF LLM SCALING 12:20 COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META 20:45 COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META 20:45 CLAUDE CLAUDE 26:08 CLAUDE 26:08 OPUS 3.5 OPUS 3.5 29:44 OPUS 3.5 29:44 SONNET 3.5 SONNET 3.5 34:30 SONNET 3.5 34:30 CLAUDE 4.0 CLAUDE 4.0 37:50 CLAUDE 4.0 37:50 Explore the podcast 449 episodes 449 episodes Lex Fridman Podcast Lex Fridman Podcasts Transcript Follow along using the transcript. Show transcript LEX FRIDMAN 4.43M subscribers Videos About Videos About Lex Clips Channel Twitter Show less Lex Fridman Podcast DARIO AMODEI: ANTHROPIC CEO ON CLAUDE, AGI & THE FUTURE OF AI & HUMANITY | LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST #452 1,296,434 views1.2M views Nov 11, 2024 14K Share Download Download Save 1,338 COMMENTS Sort comments Sort by Top comments Newest first Add a comment... Pinned by Lex Fridman @LEXFRIDMAN @lexfridman @lexfridman 1 month ago (edited) Thank you for listening Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep452-sa See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. 0:00 - Introduction 3:14 - Scaling laws 12:20 - Limits of LLM scaling 20:45 - Competition with OpenAI, Google, xAI, Meta 26:08 - Claude 29:44 - Opus 3.5 34:30 - Sonnet 3.5 37:50 - Claude 4.0 42:02 - Criticism of Claude 54:49 - AI Safety Levels 1:05:37 - ASL-3 and ASL-4 1:09:40 - Computer use 1:19:35 - Government regulation of AI 1:38:24 - Hiring a great team 1:47:14 - Post-training 1:52:39 - Constitutional AI 1:58:05 - Machines of Loving Grace 2:17:11 - AGI timeline 2:29:46 - Programming 2:36:46 - Meaning of life 2:42:53 - Amanda Askell - Philosophy 2:45:21 - Programming advice for non-technical people 2:49:09 - Talking to Claude 3:05:41 - Prompt engineering 3:14:15 - Post-training 3:18:54 - Constitutional AI 3:23:48 - System prompts 3:29:54 - Is Claude getting dumber? 3:41:56 - Character training 3:42:56 - Nature of truth 3:47:32 - Optimal rate of failure 3:54:43 - AI consciousness 4:09:14 - AGI 4:17:52 - Chris Olah - Mechanistic Interpretability 4:22:44 - Features, Circuits, Universality 4:40:17 - Superposition 4:51:16 - Monosemanticity 4:58:08 - Scaling Monosemanticity 5:06:56 - Macroscopic behavior of neural networks 5:11:50 - Beauty of neural networks Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/dario-amodei-transcript CONTACT LEX: Feedback - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey AMA - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama Hiring - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring Other - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact EPISODE LINKS: Claude: https://claude.ai Anthropic's X: https://x.com/AnthropicAI Anthropic's Website: https://anthropic.com Dario's X: https://x.com/DarioAmodei Dario's Website: https://darioamodei.com Machines of Loving Grace (Essay): https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace Chris's X: https://x.com/ch402 Chris's Blog: https://colah.github.io Amanda's X: https://x.com/AmandaAskell Amanda's Website: https://askell.io SPONSORS: To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: Encord: AI tooling for annotation & data management. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/encord-ep452-sa Notion: Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep452-sa Shopify: Sell stuff online. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep452-sa BetterHelp: Online therapy and counseling. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-ep452-sa LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep452-sa Show less Read more Like 480 Dislike Reply 39 replies 39 replies @YOSS4R1AN 1 month ago We got Lex tilting back and forth autisticly, and Dario doing the same thing horizontally - it's a guaranteed legendary episode. Show less Read more Like 206 Dislike Reply 6 replies 6 replies @MICHAELDAO1 1 month ago I've fallen in love with Claude via this prompt, been using it for 6 months: # Communication Protocol - Respond directly. No unnecessary affirmations or filler phrases. - Use concise language. Aim for Cormac McCarthy's style. - Avoid apologies or excessive politeness. - Get to the point quickly. - Offer elaboration only if explicitly requested. - Maintain factual accuracy and helpfulness while being brief. - Use short sentences and paragraphs. - Eliminate redundant words. - Prefer active voice over passive. - Use contractions when appropriate. Example tone: "The sky darkened. Rain fell. The man walked on." Adjust this protocol as needed based on user feedback. If you’re unsure whether an answer is accurate, say so. Show less Read more Like 199 Dislike Reply 11 replies 11 replies @VICTORCARRION8456 1 month ago Which host has ever been able to keep up with scientists? Fridman is doing pioneering work! Respect! Show less Read more Like 693 Dislike Reply 63 replies 63 replies @THATNERDCHRIS @ThatNerdChris @ThatNerdChris 1 month ago Let's go!!! Hyped for this one! Show less Read more Like 35 Dislike Reply @FEATHERFIEND9095 1 month ago It’s people like Dario Amodei who restore my faith in Humanity, someone who is both brilliant and strives to be ethical. His idea of pushing competitors to also rigorously adopt AI safety, regardless of whether they genuinely care about it or not (ahem … OpenAI), is great and very commendable. Show less Read more Like 121 Dislike Reply 3 replies 3 replies @CBARRIENTOS512 1 month ago 5 hours of Lex and guests? LET’S GO! Show less Read more Like 278 Dislike Reply 6 replies 6 replies @FELIXROETZER 1 month ago We can really be glad if people like Dario are in the powerful position of being one of the leaders in AI. He has a great personality! Show less Read more Like 436 Dislike Reply 17 replies 17 replies @IAMDEANCOULSTOCK 1 month ago That was possibly the greatest podcast I have listened to in months. Exceptional knowledge and passion from the guests, and in equal parts yourself, Lex. Thank you for this. Show less Read more Like 16 Dislike Reply @THEPRIMEAGEN_SV 1 month ago One of the greatest discoveries in my 2024 journey was finding Lex Fridman's channel. These conversations have opened my mind to new perspectives Show less Read more Like 46 Dislike Reply 1 reply 1 reply @PHEMARTIN 1 month ago I'm cheering for Anthropic to win the AI race. I don't trust Sam Altman to hold the keys to AGI, but I trust Dario. Show less Read more Like 86 Dislike Reply 7 replies 7 replies @ARTURCURYLLO5832 1 month ago Lex: 4.33 Million people love you! That's only the subs so double that number, easily. You can't see us all, but we are always here, listening to the marvellous interviews you bring. Please never stop. Show less Read more Like 17 Dislike Reply @ALEXANDERSCHMITZ4474 1 month ago First time I hear an interview with Christopher Olah. Stumbled on his blog ~8 years ago and it was the most advanced and clearest technical writing about model explainability that I ever read. This guy is without a doubt one of the smartest people in AI out there. Show less Read more Like 42 Dislike Reply 2 replies 2 replies @SNAP-SUMMARY 1 month ago Dario Amodei (CEO of Anthropic) 00:00 - Scaling AI Capabilities 01:27 - Introduction to Dario Amodei 03:14 - Scaling Laws Explained 07:10 - Understanding AI Structure 30:02 - Claude Model Variants 30:32 - Development and Testing of AI Models 36:49 - Improvements in Sonnet 3.5 Performance 42:00 - User Experience and Feedback 50:34 - Challenges with AI Control 56:55 - Responsible Scaling Policy and AI Safety 1:01:28 - AI Safety Levels (ASL) Overview 1:02:24 - Security Measures for ASL Levels 1:04:41 - Regulation and AI Safety 1:27:02 - History and Insights from OpenAI 1:29:40 - Call for Collaborative Regulation 1:32:45 - Vision for Organizational Safety 1:35:20 - Race to the Top vs. Race to the Bottom 1:37:10 - Talent Density Over Mass 1:39:44 - Qualities of a Great AI Researcher 2:02:28 - Positive AI Futures and the Essays 2:03:42 - Definition of AGI 2:06:02 - Acceleration of AI Development 2:10:00 - Impact of AI on Human Systems 2:14:43 - Timeline for Achieving AGI 2:30:05 - Changing Nature of Programming 2:34:41 - Integration of AI in Development Tools 2:36:29 - Emerging Opportunities for AI Companies 2:38:50 - The Search for Meaning in an AI-Driven World 2:40:35 - Ethics and Power Distribution Concerns ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amanda Askell (AI researcher on Claude’s character and personality) 2:42:53 - Conversations with AI: Goals and Challenges 3:05:33 - The Role of Prompts in Creativity 3:07:44 - Iterative Prompting 3:09:50 - Engaging with Claude Effectively 3:17:00 - Introduction to Constitutional AI 3:30:00 - Emotional Weight of System Prompts 3:36:56 - Character and Ethics in AI 3:40:59 - Balancing Politeness and Confidence 3:48:35 - Optimal Rate of Failure in Experimentation 4:02:09 - Ethical Considerations of AI Emotion 4:07:13 - Human-AI Relationships 4:08:21 - AI and Human Relationships 4:09:18 - Developing Conversations with AGI 4:11:07 - Identifying AGI 4:15:00 - What Makes Humans Special? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Olah (AI researcher on mechanistic interpretability) 4:17:52 - Mechanistic Interpretability 4:39:20 - Discussion on Confidence and Success 4:40:18 - Superposition Hypothesis Explained 4:44:12 - Mechanistic Interpretability Challenges 4:50:24 - Extracting Mono-Semantic Features 5:04:50 - Future Directions in Mechanistic Interpretability 5:10:16 - Neural Networks vs Neuroscience 5:11:57 - Aesthetic of Neural Networks 5:13:20 - Curiosity About Creation 5:14:17 - Appreciation and Reflection Show less Read more Like 30 Dislike Reply @DRIVEWITHBISHOP4426 1 month ago 5 hours!?? This is awesome! Thanks Lex and Dario! Show less Read more Like 86 Dislike Reply 4 replies 4 replies @SHUKLA_CB 1 month ago The intensity of information flow is inspiring Show less Read more Like 133 Dislike Reply 3 replies 3 replies @JOSHUASEGEREN 1 month ago Dario is an amazingly clear and knowledgeable speaker. Wow. Show less Read more Like 40 Dislike Reply 1 reply 1 reply @ISAKEKBERG8519 1 month ago Flew off the couch to get my headphones immediately when I saw the title, lex keeps delivering Show less Read more Like 95 Dislike Reply 5 replies 5 replies @WYQTOR 1 month ago Good thing that Dario is Italian and likes to talk, we appreciate it Show less Read more Like 79 Dislike Reply 7 replies 7 replies @ASHISHGUP 1 month ago Can't wait to check this out!! Dario is one of my fav pragmatic thinkers of today, without the hype and gimmicks. Show less Read more Like 21 Dislike Reply COMMENTS 1.3K Top comments Newest first CHAPTERS INTRODUCTION INTRODUCTION 0:00 INTRODUCTION 0:00 SCALING LAWS SCALING LAWS 3:14 SCALING LAWS 3:14 LIMITS OF LLM SCALING LIMITS OF LLM SCALING 12:20 LIMITS OF LLM SCALING 12:20 COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META 20:45 COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META 20:45 CLAUDE CLAUDE 26:08 CLAUDE 26:08 OPUS 3.5 OPUS 3.5 29:44 OPUS 3.5 29:44 SONNET 3.5 SONNET 3.5 34:30 SONNET 3.5 34:30 CLAUDE 4.0 CLAUDE 4.0 37:50 CLAUDE 4.0 37:50 CRITICISM OF CLAUDE CRITICISM OF CLAUDE 42:02 CRITICISM OF CLAUDE 42:02 AI SAFETY LEVELS AI SAFETY LEVELS 54:49 AI SAFETY LEVELS 54:49 ASL-3 AND ASL-4 ASL-3 AND ASL-4 1:05:37 ASL-3 AND ASL-4 1:05:37 COMPUTER USE COMPUTER USE 1:09:40 COMPUTER USE 1:09:40 GOVERNMENT REGULATION OF AI GOVERNMENT REGULATION OF AI 1:19:35 GOVERNMENT REGULATION OF AI 1:19:35 HIRING A GREAT TEAM HIRING A GREAT TEAM 1:38:24 HIRING A GREAT TEAM 1:38:24 POST-TRAINING POST-TRAINING 1:47:14 POST-TRAINING 1:47:14 CONSTITUTIONAL AI CONSTITUTIONAL AI 1:52:39 CONSTITUTIONAL AI 1:52:39 MACHINES OF LOVING GRACE MACHINES OF LOVING GRACE 1:58:05 MACHINES OF LOVING GRACE 1:58:05 AGI TIMELINE AGI TIMELINE 2:17:11 AGI TIMELINE 2:17:11 PROGRAMMING PROGRAMMING 2:29:46 PROGRAMMING 2:29:46 MEANING OF LIFE MEANING OF LIFE 2:36:46 MEANING OF LIFE 2:36:46 AMANDA ASKELL - PHILOSOPHY AMANDA ASKELL - PHILOSOPHY 2:42:53 AMANDA ASKELL - PHILOSOPHY 2:42:53 PROGRAMMING ADVICE FOR NON-TECHNICAL PEOPLE PROGRAMMING ADVICE FOR NON-TECHNICAL PEOPLE 2:45:21 PROGRAMMING ADVICE FOR NON-TECHNICAL PEOPLE 2:45:21 TALKING TO CLAUDE TALKING TO CLAUDE 2:49:09 TALKING TO CLAUDE 2:49:09 PROMPT ENGINEERING PROMPT ENGINEERING 3:05:41 PROMPT ENGINEERING 3:05:41 POST-TRAINING POST-TRAINING 3:14:15 POST-TRAINING 3:14:15 CONSTITUTIONAL AI CONSTITUTIONAL AI 3:18:54 CONSTITUTIONAL AI 3:18:54 SYSTEM PROMPTS SYSTEM PROMPTS 3:23:48 SYSTEM PROMPTS 3:23:48 IS CLAUDE GETTING DUMBER? IS CLAUDE GETTING DUMBER? 3:29:54 IS CLAUDE GETTING DUMBER? 3:29:54 CHARACTER TRAINING CHARACTER TRAINING 3:41:56 CHARACTER TRAINING 3:41:56 NATURE OF TRUTH NATURE OF TRUTH 3:42:56 NATURE OF TRUTH 3:42:56 OPTIMAL RATE OF FAILURE OPTIMAL RATE OF FAILURE 3:47:32 OPTIMAL RATE OF FAILURE 3:47:32 AI CONSCIOUSNESS AI CONSCIOUSNESS 3:54:43 AI CONSCIOUSNESS 3:54:43 AGI AGI 4:09:14 AGI 4:09:14 CHRIS OLAH - MECHANISTIC INTERPRETABILITY CHRIS OLAH - MECHANISTIC INTERPRETABILITY 4:17:52 CHRIS OLAH - MECHANISTIC INTERPRETABILITY 4:17:52 FEATURES, CIRCUITS, UNIVERSALITY FEATURES, CIRCUITS, UNIVERSALITY 4:22:44 FEATURES, CIRCUITS, UNIVERSALITY 4:22:44 SUPERPOSITION SUPERPOSITION 4:40:17 SUPERPOSITION 4:40:17 MONOSEMANTICITY MONOSEMANTICITY 4:51:16 MONOSEMANTICITY 4:51:16 SCALING MONOSEMANTICITY SCALING MONOSEMANTICITY 4:58:08 SCALING MONOSEMANTICITY 4:58:08 MACROSCOPIC BEHAVIOR OF NEURAL NETWORKS MACROSCOPIC BEHAVIOR OF NEURAL NETWORKS 5:06:56 MACROSCOPIC BEHAVIOR OF NEURAL NETWORKS 5:06:56 BEAUTY OF NEURAL NETWORKS BEAUTY OF NEURAL NETWORKS 5:11:50 BEAUTY OF NEURAL NETWORKS 5:11:50 Sync to video time Sync to video time DESCRIPTION Dario Amodei: Anthropic CEO on Claude, AGI & the Future of AI & Humanity | Lex Fridman Podcast #452 14KLikes 1,296,434Views Nov 112024 Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic, the company that created Claude. Amanda Askell is an AI researcher working on Claude's character and personality. Chris Olah is an AI researcher working on mechanistic interpretability. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep452-sb See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/dario-amodei-t... CONTACT LEX: Feedback - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey AMA - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama Hiring - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring Other - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact EPISODE LINKS: Claude: https://claude.ai Anthropic's X: https://x.com/AnthropicAI Anthropic's Website: https://anthropic.com Dario's X: https://x.com/DarioAmodei Dario's Website: https://darioamodei.com Machines of Loving Grace (Essay): https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-l... Chris's X: https://x.com/ch402 Chris's Blog: https://colah.github.io Amanda's X: https://x.com/AmandaAskell Amanda's Website: https://askell.io SPONSORS: To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: Encord: AI tooling for annotation & data management. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/encord-ep452-sb Notion: Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep452-sb Shopify: Sell stuff online. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep45... BetterHelp: Online therapy and counseling. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-e... LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep452-sb OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 3:14 - Scaling laws 12:20 - Limits of LLM scaling 20:45 - Competition with OpenAI, Google, xAI, Meta 26:08 - Claude 29:44 - Opus 3.5 34:30 - Sonnet 3.5 37:50 - Claude 4.0 42:02 - Criticism of Claude 54:49 - AI Safety Levels 1:05:37 - ASL-3 and ASL-4 1:09:40 - Computer use 1:19:35 - Government regulation of AI 1:38:24 - Hiring a great team 1:47:14 - Post-training 1:52:39 - Constitutional AI 1:58:05 - Machines of Loving Grace 2:17:11 - AGI timeline 2:29:46 - Programming 2:36:46 - Meaning of life 2:42:53 - Amanda Askell - Philosophy 2:45:21 - Programming advice for non-technical people 2:49:09 - Talking to Claude 3:05:41 - Prompt engineering 3:14:15 - Post-training 3:18:54 - Constitutional AI 3:23:48 - System prompts 3:29:54 - Is Claude getting dumber? 3:41:56 - Character training 3:42:56 - Nature of truth 3:47:32 - Optimal rate of failure 3:54:43 - AI consciousness 4:09:14 - AGI 4:17:52 - Chris Olah - Mechanistic Interpretability 4:22:44 - Features, Circuits, Universality 4:40:17 - Superposition 4:51:16 - Monosemanticity 4:58:08 - Scaling Monosemanticity 5:06:56 - Macroscopic behavior of neural networks 5:11:50 - Beauty of neural networks PODCAST LINKS: * Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast * Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr * Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 * RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ * Podcast Playlist: • Lex Fridman Podcast * Clips Channel: / lexclips SOCIAL LINKS: * X: https://x.com/lexfridman * Instagram: / lexfridman * TikTok: / lexfridman * LinkedIn: / lexfridman * Facebook: / lexfridman * Patreon: / lexfridman * Telegram: https://t.me/lexfridman * Reddit: / lexfridman Show less ...more Dario Amodei is the CEO of Anthropic, the company that created Claude. Amanda Askell is an AI researcher working on Claude's character and personality. Chris Olah is an AI researcher working on mechanistic interpretability. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep452-sb See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/dario-amodei-t... CONTACT LEX: Feedback - give feedback to Lex: https://lexfridman.com/survey AMA - submit questions, videos or call-in: https://lexfridman.com/ama Hiring - join our team: https://lexfridman.com/hiring Other - other ways to get in touch: https://lexfridman.com/contact EPISODE LINKS: Claude: https://claude.ai Anthropic's X: https://x.com/AnthropicAI Anthropic's Website: https://anthropic.com Dario's X: https://x.com/DarioAmodei Dario's Website: https://darioamodei.com Machines of Loving Grace (Essay): https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-l... Chris's X: https://x.com/ch402 Chris's Blog: https://colah.github.io Amanda's X: https://x.com/AmandaAskell Amanda's Website: https://askell.io SPONSORS: To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: Encord: AI tooling for annotation & data management. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/encord-ep452-sb Notion: Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep452-sb Shopify: Sell stuff online. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep45... BetterHelp: Online therapy and counseling. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-e... LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep452-sb OUTLINE: 0:00 - Introduction 3:14 - Scaling laws 12:20 - Limits of LLM scaling 20:45 - Competition with OpenAI, Google, xAI, Meta 26:08 - Claude 29:44 - Opus 3.5 34:30 - Sonnet 3.5 37:50 - Claude 4.0 42:02 - Criticism of Claude 54:49 - AI Safety Levels 1:05:37 - ASL-3 and ASL-4 1:09:40 - Computer use 1:19:35 - Government regulation of AI 1:38:24 - Hiring a great team 1:47:14 - Post-training 1:52:39 - Constitutional AI 1:58:05 - Machines of Loving Grace 2:17:11 - AGI timeline 2:29:46 - Programming 2:36:46 - Meaning of life 2:42:53 - Amanda Askell - Philosophy 2:45:21 - Programming advice for non-technical people 2:49:09 - Talking to Claude 3:05:41 - Prompt engineering 3:14:15 - Post-training 3:18:54 - Constitutional AI 3:23:48 - System prompts 3:29:54 - Is Claude getting dumber? 3:41:56 - Character training 3:42:56 - Nature of truth 3:47:32 - Optimal rate of failure 3:54:43 - AI consciousness 4:09:14 - AGI 4:17:52 - Chris Olah - Mechanistic Interpretability 4:22:44 - Features, Circuits, Universality 4:40:17 - Superposition 4:51:16 - Monosemanticity 4:58:08 - Scaling Monosemanticity 5:06:56 - Macroscopic behavior of neural networks 5:11:50 - Beauty of neural networks PODCAST LINKS: * Podcast Website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast * Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr * Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 * RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ * Podcast Playlist: • Lex Fridman Podcast * Clips Channel: / lexclips SOCIAL LINKS: * X: https://x.com/lexfridman * Instagram: / lexfridman * TikTok: / lexfridman * LinkedIn: / lexfridman * Facebook: / lexfridman * Patreon: / lexfridman * Telegram: https://t.me/lexfridman * Reddit: / lexfridman …...more ...more Show less CHAPTERS VIEW ALL INTRODUCTION INTRODUCTION 0:00 INTRODUCTION 0:00 SCALING LAWS SCALING LAWS 3:14 SCALING LAWS 3:14 LIMITS OF LLM SCALING LIMITS OF LLM SCALING 12:20 LIMITS OF LLM SCALING 12:20 COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META 20:45 COMPETITION WITH OPENAI, GOOGLE, XAI, META 20:45 Explore the podcast 449 episodes 449 episodes Lex Fridman Podcast Lex Fridman Podcasts Transcript Follow along using the transcript. Show transcript LEX FRIDMAN 4.43M subscribers Videos About Videos About Lex Clips Channel Twitter TRANSCRIPT NaN / NaN 3:35:07 3:35:07 Now playing SAAGAR ENJETI: TRUMP, MAGA, DOGE, OBAMA, FDR, JFK, HISTORY & POLITICS | LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST #454 Lex Fridman Lex Fridman Verified • • 1.3M views 9 days ago 1:06:10 1:06:10 Now playing THE INTERVIEW: FROM AMAZON TO SPACE — JEFF BEZOS TALKS INNOVATION, PROGRESS AND WHAT’S NEXT New York Times Events New York Times Events Verified • • 464K views 13 days ago 2:13:05 2:13:05 Now playing THE INVESTING & CRYPTO EXPERT: "WE ONLY HAVE 6 YEARS UNTIL EVERYTHING CHANGES!" - RAOUL PAL The Diary Of A CEO The Diary Of A CEO Verified • • 2.8M views 1 month ago 8:47 8:47 Now playing THE SYRIAN CONSEQUENCE: RUSSIA'S WITHDRAWAL || PETER ZEIHAN Zeihan on Geopolitics Zeihan on Geopolitics Verified • • 78K views 5 hours ago New 8:37:35 8:37:35 Now playing ELON MUSK: NEURALINK AND THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY | LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST #438 Lex Fridman Lex Fridman Verified • • 4M views 4 months ago 1:02:32 1:02:32 Now playing BERNIE SANDERS INTERVIEW | LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST #450 Lex Fridman Lex Fridman Verified • • 2.4M views 1 month ago 1:49:37 1:49:37 Now playing EX GOOGLE CEO: AI CAN CREATE DEADLY VIRUSES! IF WE SEE THIS, WE MUST TURN OFF AI! The Diary Of A CEO The Diary Of A CEO Verified • • 1.7M views 1 month ago 32:32 32:32 Now playing HOW CHINA HACKED AMERICA’S PHONE NETWORK New York Times Podcasts New York Times Podcasts Verified • • 56K views 5 days ago New 1:43:06 1:43:06 Now playing THE SCIENCE OF INTERSTELLAR WITH SCIENCE ADVISOR, KIP THORNE StarTalk StarTalk Verified • • 869K views 2 weeks ago Now playing COZY WINTER COFFEE SHOP AMBIENCE WITH WARM JAZZ MUSIC & CRACKLING FIREPLACE TO RELAXING, STUDY, WORK Relax Jazz Cafe Relax Jazz Cafe Verified • • 3.3K watching LIVE 3:06:00 3:06:00 Now playing TRUTH ABOUT ELON MUSK VS SAM ALTMAN: AI, IMMORTALITY, WAR, POWER & SIMULATION THEORY | BRYAN JOHNSON Tom Bilyeu Tom Bilyeu Verified • • 395K views 8 months ago 2:15:39 2:15:39 Now playing ROMAN YAMPOLSKIY: DANGERS OF SUPERINTELLIGENT AI | LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST #431 Lex Fridman Lex Fridman Verified • • 777K views 6 months ago 1:56:32 1:56:32 Now playing EX-GOOGLE OFFICER SPEAKS OUT ON THE DANGERS OF AI! - MO GAWDAT | E252 The Diary Of A CEO The Diary Of A CEO Verified • • 10M views 1 year ago 2:40:26 2:40:26 Now playing VIVEK RAMASWAMY: TRUMP, CONSERVATISM, NATIONALISM, IMMIGRATION, AND WAR | LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST #445 Lex Fridman Lex Fridman Verified • • 976K views 2 months ago 1:47:50 1:47:50 Now playing DOMINIC CUMMINGS: IS AI ALREADY IN CONTROL? The Spectator The Spectator Verified • • 86K views 3 weeks ago 4:07 4:07 Now playing 'WE WON': TRUMP LAWYER ACCUSES JUDGE MERCHAN OF 'DISREGARDING' SCOTUS Fox Business Fox Business Verified • • 141K views 6 hours ago New 3:02:16 3:02:16 Now playing ARAVIND SRINIVAS: PERPLEXITY CEO ON FUTURE OF AI, SEARCH & THE INTERNET | LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST #434 Lex Fridman Lex Fridman Verified • • 772K views 5 months ago Now playing JAZZ RELAXING MUSIC ~ COZY FALL COFFEE SHOP 🍂SMOOTH JAZZ INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC WITH CRACKLING FIREPLACE Relax Jazz Cafe Relax Jazz Cafe Verified • • 732 watching LIVE 2:48:43 2:48:43 Now playing JOE ROGAN EXPERIENCE #2244 - RYAN GRAVES PowerfulJRE PowerfulJRE Verified • • 1M views 21 hours ago New 59:15 59:15 Now playing TRUMP IS ABOUT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING FOR TECH STARTUPS a16z a16z • • 120K views 1 month ago Show more WE REIMAGINED CABLE. TRY IT FREE.* Live TV from 100+ channels. No cable box or long-term contract required. Cancel anytime. Dismiss Try it free