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DSS251: UPDATE ON WASTE AND RECYCLING FIRES AND FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS WITH
RYAN FOGELMAN

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DSS251: Update on Waste and Recycling Fires and Fire Protection Systems With
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In today’s episode of the Dust Safety Science podcast, we’re discussing an
update on waste and recycling facility fires and fire protection systems. We’re
doing that with Ryan Fogleman from the Fire Rover team. 


WHAT IS A FIRE ROVER?

Ryan explained that Fire Rover is a solution designed to reduce the risk of
fires. In simple terms, Fire Rover uses the internet to extinguish fires.
Initially, it was a large 20x8x8 foot red container. The system includes thermal
cameras, optical flame detection, data analysis, and artificial intelligence,
similar to other fire protection systems. However, Fire Rover is unique because
it almost never triggers false alarms, a common issue with other systems.

The key to Fire Rover’s effectiveness is the human element. A Fire Rover agent
monitors potential fire indicators such as smoke, heat irregularities, flashes,
or explosions. Upon detecting these signs, the agent can activate the unit. This
unit, powered by nitrogen, has evolved over time. For example, Ryan recently
completed a project for a large battery recycling facility, installing 104
cameras, 57 nozzles, and a 250,000-gallon tank, all part of a continuous flow
system. This system has become the primary fire protection method, complying
with NFPA standards.

The agent, after verifying a fire threat, charges the unit with an eco-friendly
wetting agent and water. They can then remotely target and extinguish the fire,
operating the system like a gun through the internet. This approach is
especially effective for complex fires, like those involving lithium-ion
batteries, where the strategy involves targeting the surrounding area. Over the
years, Fire Rover has refined its practices based on experience. Essentially,
the system is designed to identify and react to any abnormality that could
indicate a fire, a capability beyond the reach of most other fire systems.

Ryan stated that their fire suppression systems are versatile and tailored to
specific needs. 

“They primarily use either fluorine-free foams or a product known as PhD, which
is an NFPA 18 encapsulated agent. In some cases, they simply use water. The
choice of the fire suppression material depends on the unique setup of each
system and the specific hazards it is designed to address. Some systems might
even use gel, emphasizing the adaptability of their approach to fire
suppression.”


HOW ARE THINGS GOING WITH WASTE AND RECYCLING?

Ryan recently published an article discussing the evolution of his work in fire
safety within the waste and recycling industry. He began compiling a report on
fires in waste and recycling facilities in 2015. By 2018, Ryan had identified
lithium-ion batteries as a significant fire risk in this industry.

He observed that the waste and recycling industry is diverse, affecting various
sectors differently. This includes scrap metal facilities, construction,
demolition, and curbside recycling. A key focus is on reducing landfill waste by
turning it into reusable commodities. The industry faces unique challenges in
managing fire risks, especially with the increase of lithium-ion batteries.

Ryan also mentioned the subset of the industry that deals specifically with
electronic recycling, like facilities that only recycle batteries. He referred
to a significant project they recently launched, a massive continuous flow
solution designed to address these specific fire safety challenges.

There are various challenges faced by the scrap metal industry, particularly
regarding lithium-ion batteries. These batteries often end up in scrap yards
when cars are processed, which can be hazardous. Extracting items like batteries
from scrapped cars is risky due to potential dangers like drug needles. As a
result, lithium-ion batteries often remain in the scrap piles, increasing the
risk of fires.

Ryan is optimistic that the widespread use of the Fire Rover system in waste and
recycling facilities, especially the larger ones, will lead to fewer reported
fires. He plans to publish his seventh annual fire safety report, which he
shares on LinkedIn and through a fire safety report subscription with over 9,000
followers. He encourages people to follow him for more information and access to
his numerous articles on fire safety topics.

Ryan added that he is involved in developing a variety of fire safety solutions
for different industries. He’s currently working on a fire watch solution for a
large paper company. One of their products, called On Watch, is designed to
monitor landfill facings. Landfill fires are notoriously difficult to
extinguish, mainly because they often go unnoticed for extended periods, like
over a weekend. However, On Watch, a solar-powered unit placed about 350 feet
from the landfill face, can detect fires early, allowing for quicker response
and easier containment.

Ryan views Fire Rover as a comprehensive protective solution, likening it to a
bodyguard that safeguards against various hazards, including explosions and dust
risks. The system is adaptable and has been used in diverse settings like
airplane hangars, outdoor chemical storage yards, and paper mills. They’ve even
developed a new 40-foot high unit that operates on water and can replace
standard water towers at industrial sites.

While Fire Rover has become particularly associated with the waste and recycling
sector, Ryan emphasizes that their technology is not limited to this area. The
waste and recycling industry had a pressing need for such a solution, which
allowed them to gather significant data. This data is shared on their YouTube
page, where viewers can get a detailed understanding of the incidents and the
technology’s effectiveness. Ryan is committed to engaging with his audience,
responding to comments, and explaining the intricacies of their operations to
those who are interested.


HOW DO WE EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY ON THE RISK?

Ryan believes it’s crucial for facilities to consult with experts before
construction begins, as this is when significant cost savings and effective fire
protection strategies can be implemented. While he acknowledges the usefulness
of sprinklers in certain situations, he advocates for their system, which
incorporates thermal cameras, optical flame detectors, and other technologies.
An FM study showed that their system could extinguish fires using 92% less water
compared to traditional methods.

Ryan’s approach emphasizes early detection and response, which he sees as the
future of fire protection, especially in the waste and recycling sector. While
education about fire hazards is important, Ryan notes that batteries aren’t the
only cause of fires, indicating the ongoing need for innovative fire protection
solutions like Fire Rover.


CONCLUSION

From the start, Ryan faced skepticism about his approach to revolutionizing fire
fighting techniques. Traditional methods have always emphasized the use of
water, but he has been advocating for early detection and targeted suppression
techniques. Specifically, when dealing with lithium-ion batteries, his focus is
not just on extinguishing fires but on preventing chain reactions by protecting
surrounding areas.

He is confident that in 50 years, the methods he champions will become the norm
in fire fighting. He has reservations about the effectiveness of AI systems in
fire detection and suppression, as they often lack the ability to discern
critical details like differentiating between a fire and a person. Ryan believes
that human oversight is essential for the success of these systems.He sees his
team as the reliable support that allows people to sleep peacefully, knowing
that their fire risks are being managed effectively.

If you would like to discuss further, leave your thoughts in the comments
section below. You can also reach Ryan Fogelman directly:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanjayfogelman/
Website: https://firerover.com/     

If you have questions about the contents of this or any other podcast episode,
you can go to our ‘Questions from the Community’ page and submit a text message
or video recording. We will then bring someone on to answer these questions in a
future episode.


RESOURCES MENTIONED

The resources mentioned in this episode are listed below.

Dust Safety Science
Combustible Dust Incident Database
Dust Safety Science Podcast
Questions from the Community
Dust Safety Academy
Dust Safety Professionals

Companies

Fire Rover

Reports
Waste and Recycling Fire Report

Videos
Fire Rover (YouTube Channel)

Previous Episodes
DSS014: Fire Hazards in Waste and Recycling Facilities with Ryan Fogelman
DSS101: The Evolution of Fire Rover’s Waste and Recycling Fire Elimination
Solution With Ryan Fogelman


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