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INTRODUCING: RASPBERRY PI 5!

 * 28th Sep 2023
 * Eben Upton
 * 687 comments

Today, we’re delighted to announce the launch of Raspberry Pi 5, coming at the
end of October. Priced at $60 for the 4GB variant, and $80 for its 8GB sibling
(plus your local taxes), virtually every aspect of the platform has been
upgraded, delivering a no-compromises user experience. Raspberry Pi 5 comes with
new features, it’s over twice as fast as its predecessor, and it’s the first
Raspberry Pi computer to feature silicon designed in‑house here in Cambridge,
UK.



Key features include:

 * 2.4GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU
 * VideoCore VII GPU, supporting OpenGL ES 3.1, Vulkan 1.2
 * Dual 4Kp60 HDMI® display output
 * 4Kp60 HEVC decoder
 * Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi®
 * Bluetooth 5.0 / Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)
 * High-speed microSD card interface with SDR104 mode support
 * 2 × USB 3.0 ports, supporting simultaneous 5Gbps operation
 * 2 × USB 2.0 ports
 * Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT, coming soon)
 * 2 × 4-lane MIPI camera/display transceivers
 * PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals
 * Raspberry Pi standard 40-pin GPIO header
 * Real-time clock
 * Power button

In a break from recent tradition, we are announcing Raspberry Pi 5 before the
product arrives on shelves. Units are available to pre-order today from many of
our Approved Reseller partners, and we expect the first units to ship by the end
of October.



Watch Eben do some talking about Raspberry Pi 5


We’re incredibly grateful to the community of makers and hackers who make
Raspberry Pi what it is; you’ve been extraordinarily patient throughout the
supply chain issues that have made our work so challenging over the last couple
of years. We’d like to thank you: we’re going to ringfence all of the Raspberry
Pi 5s we sell until at least the end of the year for single-unit sales to
individuals, so you get the first bite of the cherry.

We’re also giving every print subscriber to The MagPi and HackSpace magazines a
single-use code, giving them priority access to Raspberry Pi 5 hardware. Click
those links to learn more about our Priority Boarding programme — and if you
subscribe today, you can get your hands on a Priority Boarding pass too.





Between now and the end of October, we’ll be running a series of regular
articles and videos, focusing on different aspects of the platform. Keep
checking in here.


A LITTLE HISTORY

Way back in June 2019, we launched Raspberry Pi 4, the first true PC-class
Raspberry Pi computer. With a quad-core Arm Cortex-A72 processor clocked at
1.5GHz, it was roughly forty times faster than the original Raspberry Pi model
from 2012. In many ways the timing was perfect: in March the following year,
schools closed, and millions of schoolchildren around the world were sent to
study from home. Tens of thousands of them were able to rely on a Raspberry Pi 4
as their primary PC.



Watch Raspberry Pi 5 show you all of its bits without talking


In the four years since then, Raspberry Pi 4, and its derivatives Raspberry Pi
400 and Compute Module 4, have become firm favourites of enthusiasts, educators,
and professional design engineers worldwide. Modern Raspberry Pi 4 computers run
20% faster than the launch variant, with a core clock speed of 1.8GHz. And,
despite the well publicised challenges that have affected the electronics supply
chain over the last two years, we’ve made and sold over 14 million units of
Raspberry Pi 4 in that time.

But time doesn’t stand still, and neither does our community’s appetite for
performance. And since 2016 — the era of Raspberry Pi 3 — we’ve been quietly
working on a much more radical overhaul of the Raspberry Pi platform. Today,
that effort bears fruit, with the launch of Raspberry Pi 5: compared to
Raspberry Pi 4, we have between two and three times the CPU and GPU performance;
roughly twice the memory and I/O bandwidth; and for the first time we have
Raspberry Pi silicon on a flagship Raspberry Pi device.


NEW PLATFORM, NEW CHIPSET

Three new chips, each designed specifically for the Raspberry Pi 5 program, come
together to deliver a step change in performance.


BCM2712




BCM2712 is a new 16-nanometer application processor (AP) from Broadcom, derived
from the 28-nanometer BCM2711 AP which powers Raspberry Pi 4, with numerous
architectural enhancements. At its heart is a quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76
processor, clocked at 2.4GHz, with 512KB per-core L2 caches, and a 2MB shared L3
cache. Cortex-A76 is three microarchitectural generations beyond Cortex-A72, and
offers both more instructions per clock (IPC) and lower energy per instruction.
The combination of a newer core, a higher clock speed, and a smaller process
geometry yields a much faster Raspberry Pi, and one that consumes much less
power for a given workload.

Our newer, faster CPU is complemented by a newer, faster GPU: Broadcom’s
VideoCore VII, developed here in Cambridge, with fully open source Mesa drivers
from our friends at Igalia. An updated VideoCore hardware video scaler (HVS) is
capable of driving two simultaneous 4Kp60 HDMI displays, up from single 4Kp60 or
dual 4Kp30 on Raspberry Pi 4. A 4Kp60 HEVC decoder and a new Image Sensor
Pipeline (ISP), both developed at Raspberry Pi, round out the multimedia
subsystem. To keep the system supplied with memory bandwidth, we have a 32-bit
LPDDR4X SDRAM subsystem, running at 4267MT/s, up from an effective 2000MT/s on
Raspberry Pi 4.


RP1

Previous Raspberry Pi generations were built on a monolithic AP architecture:
while some peripheral functions were provided by an external device (the Via
Labs VL805 USB controller and hub on Raspberry Pi 4, and the Microchip LAN951x
and LAN7515 USB hub and Ethernet controller chips on earlier products),
substantially all of the I/O functions were integrated into the AP itself.
Fairly early in the history of Raspberry Pi, we realised that as we migrated the
AP to progressively newer process nodes, this approach would eventually become
both technically and economically unsustainable.




Raspberry Pi 5, in contrast, is built on a disaggregated chiplet architecture.
Here, only the major fast digital functions, the SD card interface (for board
layout reasons), and the very fastest interfaces (SDRAM, HDMI, and PCI Express)
are provided by the AP. All other I/O functions are offloaded to a separate I/O
controller, implemented on an older, cheaper process node, and connected to the
AP via PCI Express.

RP1 is our I/O controller for Raspberry Pi 5, designed by the same team at
Raspberry Pi that delivered the RP2040 microcontroller, and implemented, like
RP2040, on TSMC’s mature 40LP process. It provides two USB 3.0 and two USB 2.0
interfaces; a Gigabit Ethernet controller; two four-lane MIPI transceivers for
camera and display; analogue video output; 3.3V general-purpose I/O (GPIO); and
the usual collection of GPIO-multiplexed low-speed interfaces (UART, SPI, I2C,
I2S, and PWM). A four-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface provides a 16Gb/s link back
to BCM2712.

Under development since 2016, RP1 is by a good margin the longest-running, most
complex, and (at $15 million) most expensive program we’ve ever undertaken here
at Raspberry Pi. It has undergone substantial evolution over the years, as our
projected requirements have changed: the C0 step used on Raspberry Pi 5 is the
third major revision of the silicon. And while its interfaces differ in fine
detail from those of BCM2711, they have been designed to be very similar from a
functional perspective, ensuring a high degree of compatibility with earlier
Raspberry Pi devices.


DA9091

BCM2712 and RP1 are supported by the third new component of the chipset, the
Renesas DA9091 “Gilmour” power-management IC (PMIC). This integrates eight
separate switch-mode power supplies to generate the various voltages required by
the board, including a quad-phase core supply, capable of providing 20 amps of
current to power the Cortex-A76 cores and other digital logic in BCM2712.




Like BCM2712, DA9091 is the product of a multi-year co-development effort.
Working closely with the Renesas team in Edinburgh allowed us to produce a PMIC
which is precisely tuned for our needs. And we were able to squeeze in two
frequently requested features: a real-time clock (RTC), which can be powered by
an external supercapacitor or a rechargeable lithium-manganese cell; and a
PC-style power button, supporting hard and soft power-off and power-on events.

Two other elements of the chipset have been retained from Raspberry Pi 4. The
Infineon CYW43455 combo chip provides dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi and Bluetooth 5.0
with Bluetooth Low-Energy (BLE); while the chip itself is unchanged, it is
provided with a dedicated switched power supply rail for lower power
consumption, and is connected to BCM2712 by an upgraded SDIO interface which
supports DDR50 mode for higher potential throughput. As before, Ethernet
connectivity is provided by a Broadcom BCM54213 Gigabit Ethernet PHY; this now
sits at a jaunty 45-degree angle, a first for Raspberry Pi, and a source of
enduring disappointment for orthogonal-layout enthusiast and CTO (Software)
Gordon Hollingworth.


FORM-FACTOR EVOLUTION

On the outside, Raspberry Pi 5 closely resembles its predecessors. But, while
retaining the overall credit-card-sized footprint, we’ve taken the opportunity
to update some elements of the design, to align with the capabilities of the new
chipset.

We’ve removed the four-pole composite video and analogue audio jack from the
board. Composite video, now generated by RP1, is still available from a pair of
0.1”-spaced pads on the bottom edge of the board.

We now sport a pair of FPC connectors, in the space formerly occupied by the
four-pole jack and camera connector. These are four-lane MIPI interfaces, using
the same higher-density pinout found on various generations of Compute Module
I/O board; and they are bi-directional (transceiver) interfaces, meaning that
each one can connect either to a CSI-2 camera or to a DSI display. The space on
the left of the board formerly occupied by the display connector now contains a
smaller FPC connector which provides a single lane of PCI Express 2.0
connectivity for high-speed peripherals.




The Gigabit Ethernet jack has returned to its classic position in the bottom
right corner of the board, after a brief sojourn in the top right on Raspberry
Pi 4. And it’s brought with it the four-pin PoE connector, simplifying the board
layout at the cost of a compatibility break with our existing PoE and PoE+ HATs.

Finally, we’ve grown a pair of mounting holes for a heatsink, as well as JST
connectors for the RTC battery (two pins), Arm debug and UART (three pins), and
fan with PWM control and tacho feedback (four pins).


DESIGNED IN CAMBRIDGE, MANUFACTURED IN WALES

Like all flagship Raspberry Pi products, Raspberry Pi 5 is built at the Sony UK
Technology Centre in Pencoed, South Wales. We have been working with Sony since
the launch of the first Raspberry Pi computer in 2012, and we’re firm believers
in the benefits of manufacturing our products within a few hours’ drive of our
engineering design centre in Cambridge: a decade of frequent interaction with
the Sony team has helped us understand how to design products that can be built
reliably, cheaply, and at massive scale.




Raspberry Pi 5 marks the introduction of a number of manufacturing innovations.
One of these is intrusive reflow for connectors, which improves the mechanical
quality of the product, increases throughput, and eliminates the costly and
energy-intensive selective- or wave-solder process from the production flow.
Others include fully routed panel singulation for cleaner board edges, and a new
approach to production test inspired by our experiences testing our RP2040
microcontroller at scale.


ACCESSORIES, ACCESSORIES, ACCESSORIES

Every new flagship Raspberry Pi product is accompanied by new accessories, and
Raspberry Pi 5 is no exception. Layout changes, new interfaces, and much higher
peak performance (and a smaller increase in peak power consumption) have led us
to redesign some existing accessories, and to develop some entirely new ones.


CASE

The updated case for Raspberry Pi 5, priced at $10, builds on the aesthetic of
its Raspberry Pi 4 predecessor, but adds a host of new usability and
thermal-management features.

An integrated 2.79 (max) CFM fan, with fluid dynamic bearings selected for low
noise and an extended operating lifetime, connects to the four-pin JST connector
on Raspberry Pi 5 to provide temperature‑controlled cooling. Air is drawn in
through a 360‑degree slot under the lid, blown over a heatsink attached to the
BCM2712 AP, and exhausted through connector apertures and vents in the base.




We’ve lengthened the case, and tweaked the retention features, to make it
possible to insert the Raspberry Pi 5 board without removing the SD card. And by
removing the top of the case, it is now possible to stack multiple cases, as
well as to mount HATs on top of the fan, using spacers and GPIO header
extensions.

Like all our plastic products, the new case is manufactured by our friends at
T-Zero, in the West Midlands, UK.


ACTIVE COOLER

Raspberry Pi 5 has been designed to handle typical client workloads, uncased,
with no active cooling. Users who wish to use the board uncased under continuous
heavy load, without throttling, have the option of adding a $5 Active Cooler.
This attaches to the board via two new mounting holes, and connects to the same
four-pin JST connector as the case fan.




A radial blower, again selected for low noise and extended operating lifetime,
pushes air through an extruded and milled aluminium heatsink. Both the case and
the Active Cooler are able to keep Raspberry Pi 5 well below the thermal
throttle point for typical ambient temperatures and worst-case loads. The
cooling performance of the Active Cooler is somewhat superior, making it
particularly suitable for overclockers.


27W USB-C POWER SUPPLY

Raspberry Pi 5 consumes significantly less power, and runs significantly cooler,
than Raspberry Pi 4 when running an identical workload. However, the much higher
performance ceiling means that for the most intensive workloads, and in
particular for pathological “power virus” workloads, peak power consumption
increases to around 12W, versus 8W for Raspberry Pi 4.

When using a standard 5V, 3A (15W) USB-C power adapter with Raspberry Pi 5, by
default we must limit downstream USB current to 600mA to ensure that we have
sufficient margin to support these workloads. This is lower than the 1.2A limit
on Raspberry Pi 4, though generally still sufficient to drive mice, keyboards,
and other low‑power peripherals.




For users who wish to drive high-power peripherals like hard drives and SSDs
while retaining margin for peak workloads, we are offering a $12 USB-C power
adapter which supports a 5V, 5A (25W) operating mode. If the Raspberry Pi 5
firmware detects this supply, it increases the USB current limit to 1.6A,
providing 5W of extra power for downstream USB devices and 5W of extra on-board
power budget: a boon for those of you who want to experiment with overclocking
your Raspberry Pi 5.

It should be noted that users have the option to override the current limit,
specifying the higher value even when using a 3A adapter. In our testing, we
have found that in this mode Raspberry Pi 5 functions perfectly well with
typical configurations of higher-power USB devices, and all but the most
pathological workloads.


CAMERA AND DISPLAY CABLES

The new, higher-density pinout of the MIPI connectors means that an adapter is
required to connect our own cameras and displays, and third-party products, to
Raspberry Pi 5.

To support existing camera and display owners, we are offering FPC camera and
display cables, which convert from the higher-density format (now referred to as
“mini”) to the older lower-density format (now referred to as “standard”). These
cables are available in 200mm, 300mm, and 500mm lengths, priced at $1, $2, and
$3 respectively.




Camera Module 3, the High-Quality Camera, the Global Shutter Camera, and the
Touchscreen Display will all ship with both a standard-to-standard and a 200mm
mini-to-standard cable.


POE+ HAT

From early 2024, we will be offering a new PoE+ HAT. This supports the new
location for the four-pin PoE header, and has an L-shaped form factor which
allows it to sit inside the Raspberry Pi 5 case without interfering mechanically
or disrupting airflow.

Prototype PoE+ HAT. We don’t know yet what the production version will look
like, but we do know that it won’t look like this.


The new PoE+ HAT integrates a planar transformer into the PCB layout, and
utilises an optimised flyback converter architecture to sustain high efficiency
across the whole zero to 25W range of output powers.


M.2 HATS

One of the most exciting additions to the Raspberry Pi 5 feature set is the
single-lane PCI Express 2.0 interface. Intended to support fast peripherals, it
is exposed on a 16-pin, 0.5mm pitch FPC connector on the left-hand side of the
board.

From early 2024, we will be offering a pair of mechanical adapter boards which
convert between this connector and a subset of the M.2 standard, allowing users
to attach NVMe SSDs and other M.2-format accessories. The first, which conforms
to the standard HAT form factor, is intended for mounting larger devices. The
second, which shares the L-shaped form factor of the new PoE+ HAT, supports
mounting 2230- and 2242-format devices inside the Raspberry Pi 5 case.

Prototype M.2 HAT. Final hardware will not look like this.



RASPBERRY PI BEGINNER’S GUIDE, 5TH EDITION

Sporting a brand-new look and feel, and priced at RRP £19.99 ($24.99), this new
edition of our bestselling Raspberry Pi Beginner’s Guide is the definitive
manual for Raspberry Pi computers and accessories. It has been comprehensively
updated to cover Raspberry Pi 5, and the upcoming release of Raspberry Pi OS
based on Debian Bookworm.


RTC BATTERY




Last, but very much not least, we have sourced a Panasonic lithium manganese
rechargeable coin cell, with a pre-fitted two-pin JST plug and an adhesive
mounting pad. This is priced at $5, and is suitable for powering the Raspberry
Pi 5 real-time clock (RTC) when the main power supply is disconnected.


A NEWER, BETTER RASPBERRY PI OS

In parallel with the final stages of the Raspberry Pi 5 programme, our software
team has been busy developing a new version of Raspberry Pi OS, the official
first-party operating system for Raspberry Pi devices. This is based on the most
recent release of Debian (and its derivative Raspbian), codenamed “Bookworm”,
and incorporates numerous enhancements, notably the transition from X11 to the
Wayfire Wayland compositor on Raspberry Pi 4 and 5.

Raspberry Pi OS will launch in mid-October, and will be the sole supported
first-party operating system for Raspberry Pi 5. Keep checking back here: we’ll
be telling you some more about the new OS, and you’ll be able to download it
shortly before Raspberry Pi 5 arrives on the shelves in late October.


CREDITS

Bringing Raspberry Pi 5 to life has been a seven-year, $25 million endeavour,
involving tens of organisations and hundreds of individuals. A non-exhaustive
list of those who have contributed to Raspberry Pi 5, and its constituent
silicon programs, can be found below — just click to expand it.

A credits list for Raspberry Pi 5

We’d like to thank everybody who has contributed to Raspberry Pi 5. It’s been an
enormous, lengthy project, and you’ve been a wonderful team to work with.
Inevitably, when building a list this long, we accidentally omit people: if
you’ve been missed off the list, please email us. You know where to find us!

James Adams, Cyrus Afghahi, Snehil Agrawal, Sam Alder, Alasdair Allan, Kevin
Allen, Kiarash Amiri, James Anderson, Andrew Anderson, Neil Bailey, Tarek
Bairakdar, Scott Baker, Isuvetha Balendra, Giles Ballard, Kris Baxter, Jeff
Beach, David Bell, Jonathan Bell, Oguz Benderli, Benjamin Benson, Paul Bentley,
Rick Berard, Doug Berger, Suneel Bharadwaj, Sandeep Bhatia, Shawn Bhatiani,
Geoff Blackman, Ed Bleich, Alina Borlan, Chris Boross, Wayne Bortman, Richard
Boult, James Boyce, Jamie Brogan-Shaw, Robert Brownhill, Mike Buffham, Efim
Bukovsky, Andre Burani, Andrew Burge, Simon Burgess, Kevin Campbell, Thierry
Canaud, Amy Carter, Jose María Casanova, Jen-Ming Chai, Swetha Challawar, Louis
Chan, Shu Chan, Keyu Chang, Nick Chase, Melvin Cheah, Sherman Chen, Wei Chen,
Bonnie Chen, Kuanghui Cheng, Chun Fai Cheung, Toon Tun Chiam, Mark Childs, Jae
Cho, Chye Yaw Chong, Kevin Choung, Anne-Marie Christie, David Christie, Scott
Clark, Dominic Cobley, Nate Contino, Ben Cook, Stephen Cook, Sheena Coote, John
Cowan-Hughes, John Cox, Richard Croad, Darryl Cross, Tom Davies, Shijun Deng,
Todd DeRego, Nicola Early, Philip Elwell, Dave Emett, Dan English, Mark Evens,
Benjamin Everard, Andras Ferencz, Nick Francis, Liam Fraser, Alexander Fuessel,
Nachiket Galgali, Eric Gastelum, Jan Gatermann, Monica Gemeneanu, Valeria
Germini, Deven Ghelani, Sharna Ghosh, Ben Giese, Doug Giles, Tracey Glover,
Andrew Goros, Timothy Gover, Ron Green, Peter Green, Simon Greening, Andrew
Gregory, Glen Grover, Charlotte Hallworth, Paul Hammond, Lauren Hancock, Peter
Harper, Lisa Harris, Lucy Hattersley, Xiaocheng He, Amanda Henderson, David
Henly, Jason Herrick, Leon Hesch, Darren Hill, Nicholas Hollinghurst, Gordon
Hollingworth, Andrew Holme, Michael Howells, Andrew Hsu, Wanchen Hsu, Chi-Yuan
Hsu, Mingyuan Huang, Tim Hughes, James Hughes, Andy Hulbert, Rami Husni, James
Hutchinson, Lee Huynh, Lee Huynh, Steven Hwang, Leane Ickes, Paul Ittoopunny,
Bruno Izern, Chris Jacobs, Olivier Jacquemart, Anurag Jain, Geraint James, Sri
Jandhyala, Chris Jaszczur, Dinesh Jayabharathi, Brian Jepson, Dave John, Antonia
Johnson, Richard Jones, Lily Jones, Lijo Jose, Tammy Julyan, Nejat Kamaci,
Jarkko Karjalainen, Gary Keall, Kevin Kelly, Bruce Kent, Ian Kersley, Gerard
Khoo, Megan Kiddy, Chris Kim, Chhavi Kishore, Keith Klingler, Srivarada Kota,
Vijay Anantha Krishnan, Y Ravi Chandra Kumar, Eldhose Kurian, Wayne Kusumo,
Ramki Lakshman, Koen Lampaert, Anthony Le, Hungchi Lee, Seong Ho Lee, William
Lee, Joon Lee, David Lee, Graeme Leese, David Lewsey, Danyu Li, Jay Li, Sherman
Li, Dan Li, Tatiane Dias de Lima, Sam Liu, Xiaogang Liu, Simon Long, Patrick
Loo, Vasco Lopes, Melissa Lovato, Joshua Low, Jeremy Low, Chris Lowder, Yoana
Lozano, Janice Lu, Mihai Lupu, Jeff Lussier, Helen Lynn, Jun Ma, Ian Macaulay,
Terry Mackown, Christopher Mairs, Oren Mamet, Tim Mamtora, Sorin-Alexandru Mare,
Christopher Martin, Simon Martin, Wasim Master, Jonathan Matthews, Andrea Mauri,
Glen McDonnell, Nellie McKesson, Craig McNaughton, Steven Mcninch, Ingrid
Megarademy, James Mills, Vassil Mitov, Danny Miyabe, Ali Syed Mohammed, Shawn
Molavi, Mircea Moldovan, Marta Momotko, Daniel Moran, Alan Morgan, Anthony
Morton, Paul Mucur, Aram Nahidipour, Eng Yee Ng, Thomas Nguyen, Ut Nguyen,
Mirela Nicolescu, Keri Norris, Rhian Norris, Rose Nott, Brian O Halloran, Yong
Oh, Kenneth Okolo, Eng Choon Ooi, Emma Ormond, Shujuan Pan, Yuan Pang, Ravi
Papineni, Simon Parish, Sara Parodi, Chris Pasqualino, Naushirwan Patuck, Davin
Phenix, Rui Pimenta, Alejandro Piñeiro, David Plowman, Dominic Plunkett, Lloyd
Porter, Neil Price, Jim Quinlan, Nutan Raj, Siva Rajagopalan, Karthik Rajendran,
Ashwin Rao, Chaitanya Ray, Haifa Redissi, Justin Rees, Ravi Revanakara, Matt
Richardson, Dan Riiff, Maxime Ripard, Peter de Rivaz, Steven Roberts, Toby
Roberts, Landis Rogers, Paul Rolfe, Marcelo Romero, Sarah Roth, Matt Rowley,
Andy Ruan, Benjamin Ryu, Dave Saarinen, Ali Salem, Akshaye Sama, Suzie Sanders,
Graham Sanderson, Aniruddha Sane, Subramaniam Sankaralingam, Muthia Muthiah
Sarandoss, Santosh Savekar, Andrew Scheller, Serge Schneider, Graham Scott,
Gareth Scourfield, Saran Kumar Seethapathi, Vinaya Lakshmi Puthur Sekar, Saumeet
Shah, Sharkus, Ammar Sheikh, Shashank Shekhar, Joe Sheppard, Bhaskar Sherigar,
Paul Sherry, Guang-Ting Shin, Jawaid Siddiqi, Amit Paul Singh, Hannah Slater,
Ross Smith, Paul Smith, Graham Smith, Kieran Snow, Samantha Snyder, Thomas
Spurden, Hosahalli Srinivas, Ajay Srivastava, Tim Stenning, Ben Stephens, David
Stevenson, Michael Stimson, Chee Siong Su, Austin Su, Juan Suárez, Bhushan
Subbarao, Chris Szczuka, Raymond Szkornik, Jeffrey Tang, Salene Tarling, Raju
Tatte, Thian Fatt Tay, Fred Taylor, Robert Thomas, Matthew Thomas, Dan
Thompsett, Roger Thornton, Darren Tilley, Chris Tomlinson, Anand Tongle, Iago
Toral, Duke Tran, Jim Tseng, Steven Tseng, Richard Tuck, Utku Turker, David
Turner, Natalie Turner, Agalgave Umesh, Rachit Upreti, Liz Upton, Manoj
Vajhallya, Sandeep Venkatadas, Sushil Verghese, William Vinnicombe, Marco
Vrouwe, John Wadsworth, Paul Wallace, Yongbing Wan, Irene Wang, Benjamin Waters,
Longyin Wei, Melissa Wen, Simon West, Thomas Westcott, Joe Whaley, Ray Whitley,
Ashley Whittaker, Oli Wilkin, Charlotte Williams, Jack Willis, Anthony Wong,
Luke Wren, David Wright, David Wu, Romona Wu, Sheldon Wu, Xin Xie, Huajun Xiong,
Zheng Xu, Jian Xu, Jason Young, Johnny Yang, Adrian Yu, Chi-Li Yu, Sylvia Yu,
Yingdong Yu, Vladimir Zabezhinsky, Angelina Zamora, Kaibin Zhang, Wei Zhang,
Jean Zhou, Rob Zwetsloot


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687 COMMENTS


MAX

28th September 2023, 7:00 am

Congratulations on the new Pi 5 – this is an awesome step for Raspberry Pi and
the world of computing in general!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 11:37 am

Thanks Max! (Trust you to get the first comment in!)


MATTHEW ROBERTS

7th December 2023, 8:01 pm

What are the J7 VID holes for on the raspberry Pi 5? may need to know for my
setup.


MATTHEW ROBERTS

8th December 2023, 4:10 am

What are the J7 VID pin holes for between the mini HDMI and the MIPI
camera/display plug on the Raspberry Pi 5?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

8th December 2023, 11:05 am

That’s for users to solder down a pad to connect composite video out.


JIM

28th September 2023, 7:11 pm

Can the M.2 interface be used to boot of an SSD instead of the SD card?


DANNY PONTBRIAND

30th September 2023, 6:08 am

Of course why not. Your choice of in the worst case you can use sdcard to route
booting to ssd.


DANIËL VAN DEN AKKER

28th September 2023, 7:01 am

Congratulations on another marvelous product! I am really curious what everybody
will make with the PCIe extension! Keep up the good work!!
Kind regards,
Daniël


PHILDEN

28th September 2023, 7:03 pm

Hi!
it Would be very nice to be able to boot from an mvne SSD…


DEWEY D FREEMAN

1st October 2023, 3:59 am

aleady can b done


RON WILLIAMS

21st October 2023, 12:00 am

Dear philden,
Pi and Chips.
In answer to your query concerning the Pi 5 and M.2 chips.
I have been booting, and running my Pi 4 on an M.2 SATA chip for quite sometime
now. I also have another M.2 set aside, ready for when my Pi 5 arrives.
Stay safe and my kind regards,
Ron Williams.


GORAN JORDANOV

15th December 2023, 8:04 pm

Hello Ron,
What Pi-hat are you using on the Rapi4 to install a M2 drive and boot from it ?
Thx


ALAN MCCULLAGH

28th September 2023, 7:10 am

Félicitations et bravo to all the team from over here in France. Wonderful news
and product – another huge step up/leap forward! Welcome to the family number 5.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 11:37 am

Bisous! xx


JULIANG

28th September 2023, 7:13 am

I was expecting RPI5 news since starting 2023 , and now they delivered a lot of
what we were expecting, it will be amazing.
Congratulations to the whole community from Argentina.


JOE

3rd October 2023, 9:32 pm

YES, a real time clock. I hope we will be able to buy them. Unlike the RP4.


ROGIER KERSTENS

28th September 2023, 7:16 am

Congrats on this marvelous new product!


DAVE C

28th September 2023, 7:19 am

looking forward to another generation of low power hardware hacking and
projects!


KUNYI

28th September 2023, 7:19 am

Sound Great! want know more detail about RP1 I/O controller


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 7:39 am

We’re going to be publishing a lot of content about all the new features – keep
watching this space!


LEEPSPVIDEO

28th September 2023, 7:21 am

Great work by all involved. The performance is great.


KARAGIR

28th September 2023, 7:31 am

Congralution!!
Another right step forward in the journey of RPi.
Dying to know more about audio capabilities. Will it be only through the I2S
port? Will HDMI port support ARC/ eARC?
Thanks and congralutions again!!


MIKE

28th September 2023, 7:43 am

How about a Pi Zero update? It’s badly needed.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

28th September 2023, 7:46 am

We did that? The Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W launched back in 2021.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 8:43 am

Thanks, Mike! I won the sweepstake on how many comments it would take for
somebody to whinge about something completely off-topic. Read the room – today
is not the day.


PAT

28th September 2023, 4:26 pm

The problem is, you don’t listen to your customers. You’re are manufacturing PIs
for the commercial market listening to their demands. You claim and $80 device
which will more than likely be sold out for years to come and if you can get
one, the price will be north of $200. Hard pass for me and I’m sure others.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 4:50 pm

Can we hold off on the predictions about how awful everything is going to be
until people have actually bought one?


TAP

28th September 2023, 5:20 pm

The point Pat is making is that it’s nearly impossible for *people* to buy one.
They all get sold to corporations.


D SMITH

29th September 2023, 8:22 am

It will be interesting to see just how close to reality your £200 prediction
comes. Would be lovely if it really turned out to be £80 and if supply didn’t
create a real black market. I see a real hunger for the Pi 5 and designing it is
only the first step, but to market in demand volumes at £80 !! now that is a
‘Muskarian’ challenge that has bedeviled the Pi team since the very first little
gem that graced my desk.
But whatever happens – well done to the Pi Team – we love you…


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

29th September 2023, 9:52 am

<3


MICHAEL

1st November 2023, 3:03 am

As a regular guy living in the States, I can attest to receiving my Pi 5 at the
advertised price (as of 10/28). A new subscription to HackSpace magazine didn’t
hurt. Still putting it through its paces, but so far so good. It’s a great
little machine. Congrats to the Raspberry Pi team!


CUANYU

28th September 2023, 7:51 am

So where is CM 5 :P


MLADEN BRUCK

1st October 2023, 5:45 pm

Yeah, that would be a hit for the industry. I’m for example very interested in
having an extension for CM5 with a full PCI express slot…


PAUL DYKE

28th September 2023, 7:54 am

Stunning! Congratulations to the whole team for this amazing new chapter in the
Raspberry Pi story!


CRUMBLE

28th September 2023, 8:01 am

AES sounds great. But I think that the layout of the system is strange.

You need a cooler, if you need the full computing power. But in most of such
cases fast storage as well. So you have to place a HAT on top of the active
cooler.

Can you provide us a road map for a compute version? Or a case with heat pipes?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 9:58 am

Considering it’s impossible to get it to overheat (i.e. throttle) with either
the active cooler or the Pi 5 case (which has a fan) I think cooling pipes is a
bit of an overkill!

There’s no advantage to having a temperature less than 80 degrees, it doesn’t
make the chip faster or slower, it doesn’t shorten its life or anything else…

But if you’d like to spend loads of money cooling it sub-zero fill yer boots!


D SMITH

29th September 2023, 8:37 am

Come on now Gordon, some folk just live to ‘plumb up’ their wanabe ‘Smoking
Hairy Golfball’ – now 25 watts, that’s real power for them to get their
evaporators into. Interesting tho that you say that operating at 80 is perfectly
OK (would that be degrees A, F or C?).. If it is C then that is a nice gradient
for effective room temperature cooling to be effective. I hadn’t realised the Pi
could run so hot.


COOLIPI

2nd October 2023, 12:17 am

There is. SD card lifespan. Account for the local heating of the SD card under
heavy operation. And you are at 90˚C
Re: chilling to sub zero – yes, we have tried LN2


PETERB

28th September 2023, 8:02 am

How exciting. Many thanks for your countless hours and day working on this.
Can’t wait for the end of October now.


JANW

28th September 2023, 8:02 am

Why is Eben Upton not on the Raspberry Pi 5 credits list?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 8:13 am

Because he wrote it!


ELLIP

28th September 2023, 9:45 am

Great comment, Liz!
My laugh of the day.


ADAM BURNS

28th September 2023, 8:06 am

Does the RPi5 provide data lines to the power socket & does the RP1 IO chip
provide compatibility with both host and peripheral mode to support Linux USB
Gadgets?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:00 am

The USB-C connector has the same dwc-otg interface capability as Pi 4. It will
also go into rpiboot mode if you hold down the power button when you power it.


RYAN

28th September 2023, 8:19 pm

Does the DWC-OTG utilize DWC2 or DWC3?


PETE

10th December 2023, 11:53 pm

I am also interested whether or not the USB controller will be compatible with
the Linux DWC3 driver:
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tree/master/drivers/usb/dwc3 . I have a gadget
driver written for DWC3 that I would love to be able to run on a Pi, especially
one in the same form factor as the Zero 2 W (Zero 3 W?). Thanks.


ADAM BURNS

2nd October 2023, 7:36 am

Gordon, thank you for the confirmation.
Congratulations on the RP1 & thank you for the attention to detail in
maintaining this functionality moving forward.


ROMILLY COCKING

28th September 2023, 8:08 am

Fantastic! I’ll be pre-ordering through my MagPi sub. And if Alasdair Allan has
worked on the docs they will be excellent. The specs are great and I’m wondering
if we’ll see some GPU AI acceleration software based on the Vulkan 1.2
interface. That could be yet another game changer.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 9:21 am

Please refrain from saying nice things about Alisdair, or he’ll be even more
unbearable.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

28th September 2023, 10:57 am

Thanks Phil! 😂🤣


ROMILLY COCKING

28th September 2023, 11:12 am

That’s not a problem for me, as I don’t have to work with him :)


MARCO

28th September 2023, 8:10 am

I find the price in the UK absolutely disgusting. $80 =£65.93 however if I go to
the local outlets its £78.90 considering its made just up the road from Devon
where I live I really wish you could justify this expense :( especially since
the UK is in a massive cost of living crisis!


TAYLOR

28th September 2023, 8:17 am

Yeah, it’s disappointing that the price has been almost doubled from the Pi4,
but contrary to popular belief, Pis aren’t absolutely necessary to sustain human
life. But if you do need one, there’s always the Pi 4.


EMMANUEL

12th October 2023, 8:03 pm

I will pre-order as soon as possible (already get notificated by swiss store)
Idc wether the price wil be CHF 90.00 or CHF 130.00. I love this new RPI5!
I own 3 RPI 4b (4gig) , 1 RPI 400,1 RPI 3b and 1 RPI 2b…1 RPI 4b is a PC with
Ubuntu LTS and 1 RPI 4b is a Pi-Hole…I will replace 4b PC with RPI5 and make an
openWRT with the 4b….I will order RPI5 8 GB…I can’t await! 2 Monitors with 165Hz
are possible to run and faster LAN Speed + nvme….Awesome !!!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF HELEN LYNN

28th September 2023, 8:20 am

As ever, the prices we quote don’t include local taxes and shipping costs: they
can’t, because those costs vary widely depending on where you are. Here in the
UK, with VAT at 20%, that £65.93 turns into £79.12, so it looks as though you’re
finding it at a whisker under what one might expect.


MW

28th September 2023, 8:29 am

Thank you, it is a shame after a decade that people get angry at pricing, when
RPL have no control over taxes, exchange rates and shipping and are therefore
totally blameless.


ANDERS

28th September 2023, 8:22 am

You are quoting the 8GB price, the 4GB is much cheaper and maybe there will be a
cheaper 2GB in future.

It’s much cheaper than comparable other products.


MW

28th September 2023, 8:34 am

It clearly shows in the released pictures of the board that 1GB, 2GB, 4GB and
8GB variants are planned, so the $35 price point will be maintained.


JAMIE WHITEHORN

28th September 2023, 9:14 am

Marco, blame the government for this one, specifically VAT.
$80 will be without tax, I believe.
$80 =£65.93 * 20% VAT = £79.12


MAGNUS HAMMARSTRÖM

29th September 2023, 10:12 pm

Here in Sweden VAT are 25%


MARCO

28th September 2023, 3:13 pm

“I think you’re missing my point here. Why am I paying 20% more for a product
that is made locally to me than someone living in the United States? That means
that even after shipping and importing, it costs less to buy the product from
another country. And yes, I did not even discuss taxes on top of that. I know
the local school that my kids attend will not be able to justify a purchase like
this, and one of the main points for this product was to put a computer in front
of every child at the cost of pocket money. It is certainly why I got into RPi
back in 2011. I’ve personally not been able to afford a Raspberry Pi since the
RPi 2 in 2014, and at the rate the price is increasing, it’s now unfeasible to
ever do so.”


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 3:19 pm

Hold onto something while you read this: I think it may come as a bit of a
shock. Countries outside the UK also have sales taxes.


MARCO

28th September 2023, 3:40 pm

Again. Not talking about tax


PAT

28th September 2023, 4:31 pm

Lol gotta love this. You can’t reply to your comment after Liz posted last.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 4:49 pm

Actually a nesting thing – we don’t nest comments in perpetuity, or things round
here would get a bit hard to read.


W. H. HEYDT

28th September 2023, 3:46 pm

Varies a lot… In the US, many states–but not all–have sales tax. As a result,
prices in the US are quoted pre-tax.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 3:49 pm

I know! I’m a big fan of shopping for frocks in Oregon. (The point still stands,
though.)


MARCO

28th September 2023, 3:55 pm

Yes, I see my error. I forget the states do not tack on their tax before sale.
But still £80 is really high for children to buy. again swing back to Rpi2011
that was manageable for low income families and kids. I just feel that after the
success of the Rpi2040 and how it undercut many MCUs at the time of release that
this would be doing the same.


ANDERS

28th September 2023, 7:32 pm

Marco, the $80 is for the 8GB one, this is the top spec – this is just $5 more
than the Pi 4 8GB for something more versatile. with more than double the
compute power. It’s also cheap compared to other comparable products.

You can see the jumper points on the board for 1 and 2GB variants, so expect
even cheaper ones to be available.


N.VENKATESH

30th September 2023, 5:41 pm

Greetings!!
It’s great effort to come up with a new product. Congratulations for that. Can
you not lobby with the government to waive off taxes for educational purposes?
RP is mostly used by students and researchers around the world to enhance their
coding skills.
The government should seriously consider waiver of taxes.


CARLOS LUNA

1st October 2023, 6:00 pm

Pi2 was 35$ (plus taxes an whatever). Pi3B was 35$ (plus taxes and whatever).
Pi4B 1gb is 35$ (plus taxes and whatever). In fact, Pi4B 2gb was temporarily
priced at 35$ (plus taxes and whatever). So a Pi4B 1gb is as affordable as a Pi2
was back when it was launched. Of course, if you want the “high end” version
(8gb), then you’ll have to pay extra, but that’s houldn’t surprise anyone.


JONATHAN BENNETT

28th September 2023, 8:10 am

There’s some great stuff here! Love seeing the broken out PCIe lane. It would be
outstanding to manage to keep some GPIO pins fully available with the m.2 HAT,
and even more so with the PoE hat. Looking forward to getting my hands on one of
these!


VICTOR WACHANGA

28th September 2023, 8:13 am

This is exciting news. I recently started learning python and can’t wait to have
one of these. I want to delve into automation and robotics…


SILVIU BUNEA

28th September 2023, 8:14 am

“It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas” :D


TAYLOR

28th September 2023, 8:15 am

Just thinking, is this the first time that a Pi has launched at a price >$35?


BEN

28th September 2023, 9:43 am

Only because they haven’t yet launched the 1GB and 2GB models :-)


GORDON77

28th September 2023, 8:20 am

Great news. Well done, looks an impressive upgrade.


ERIC_S

28th September 2023, 8:22 am

An amazing achievment!
I have a question:
– What is the specification of the new GPU? (raw FLOPS and real world
performance vs the old one)


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:04 am

PI 4 was 4.4 GFLOPS
Pi 5 over 10


ERIC_S

28th September 2023, 11:11 am

*Tips hat*
Thanks!


QWERTYCHOUSKIE

28th September 2023, 6:03 pm

Would love to see some SuperTuxKart benchmarks on the shiny new GPU hardware at
various graphics levels ;)


ASHER KLEIN

12th October 2023, 8:25 pm

absolutely amazing. Can’t wait to see what some folk are gonna make with pi5


ERIC OLSON

28th September 2023, 4:55 pm

The Pi 4 achieves from 10 to 13 GFlops on the high-performance linpack benchmark
HPL, which is used industry wide to measure such things. Judging from other
Cortex-A76 based systems, I’d expect 25 to 35 GFlops on the HPL for the new Pi
5.


ANDERS

28th September 2023, 8:23 am

Great choices to make the full wish list available by options hats whilst
improving the core features. Price maintained l, excellent work.


ROGER HARDIMAN

28th September 2023, 8:25 am

Any changes on Video Encoding, eg adding H265 (HEVC) or AV1 encoding?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ROB ZWETSLOOT

28th September 2023, 9:14 am

It’s hardware H265 decoding and VC1 on the chip


JAMIE WHITEHORN

28th September 2023, 9:17 am

🎉


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:05 am

Actually only 4kp60 H265 (HEVC) decode is available
But it only uses 50% of the processors to do 1080p60 on YouTube


DRICH

28th September 2023, 10:23 am

No realtime video encoding so ?


JAMIE

28th September 2023, 10:48 am

H264 hardware decoding has been removed?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 11:01 am

Gordon’s been talking about this elsewhere in the comments – scroll through for
more!


JAMIE

28th September 2023, 11:07 am

I only see discussions on encoding


YANNICK

28th September 2023, 3:51 pm

VC1 is different than AV1 though right? what about AV1 decoding?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 3:53 pm

We can decode AV1. It won’t do 4k, but it should do 1080p.


SANJIN GANIĆ

28th September 2023, 8:25 am

Why again using non-standard video outputs? I’d rather have one standard HDMI
output than those 2, requiring you to have adapter with me wherever I move Pi …


ABUGSWORSTNIGHTMARE

28th September 2023, 8:49 am

https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/micro-hdmi-to-standard-hdmi-a-cable/
microHDMI ‘IS’ standard btw …


SANJIN GANIĆ

28th September 2023, 9:28 am

Yes, it is, we find it on all TV’s, monitors, cameras, displays … If something
is industry standard, it doesn’t mean it is a consumer standard ;)


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 8:55 am

If you look at the board you’ll see that it fits two micro-HDMIs, the HDMI logo
and the new UART socket (my favourite feature) into the space occupied by one
full-size HDMI socket. The Pi 5 is even more of a real computer than Pi 4 was,
and running the desktop across two monitors is something worth trying.


SANJIN GANIĆ

28th September 2023, 9:39 am

Sorry, but it seems like you didn’t get the point. Let me rephrase – Why would I
need to always carry mHDMI adapter with my Pi? One full HDMI + mHDMI would be a
perfect solution. I am aware of space constraints, but I expected RPI team will
find a way and make Pi5 more “consumer friendly”. On Pi4, I mitigated that
“mistake” by buying Argon One case, which allows me to use it as a small
portable computer compatible with all displays without without worry about any
adapter cables.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 11:12 am

What you call an adaptor cable I call a cable. The only disadvantage of having
full-sized HDMI on end and micro-HDMI on the other is that you have to get it
the right way round, but most people seem to manage. And it’s smaller, which may
be a disadvantage if you have a thing for chunky connectors.


BEN PIETRAS

28th September 2023, 12:22 pm

So, the Pi4 already moved away from full hdmi ports… but you were expecting the
Pi5 to move back?
Micro hdmi is tiny and does a great job. Kind of the point of a Raspberry Pi..


SANJIN GANIĆ

28th September 2023, 1:34 pm

Sure! If product is intended for consumer market (and Pi4/Pi5 are targeting
exactly that – small computers), why not make it then fully compatible with
globally available consumer devices (TV’s, displays)?


CRAIG TAYLOR

28th September 2023, 6:15 pm

Micro HDMI connectors are not as robust. I lose connection and have to jiggle
them sometimes. It gets annoying.


HANIF

28th September 2023, 12:48 pm

I’m sure there will be a new case at some point to give you the full size HDMI
that you crave.


SANJIN GANIĆ

28th September 2023, 1:28 pm

Of course it will be, there are always people who know to listen voice of
customers and earn on that :) I don’t know what is situation in Western Europe
and USA, but in this part of world, if you forget mHDMI->HDMI adapter cable (I
am travelling a lot because I am expat), you’re screwed. Because it’s that not
easy to find it in stores here – nobody is using that.


MIKE MORROW

28th September 2023, 11:29 pm

There are cables with mini and micro HDMI on them so no adapter needed. Easy l,
yes. Slight expense? Yes. I don’t find it a bother.


W. H. HEYDT

29th September 2023, 1:05 am

When I travel, I carry a 15.6″ portable monitor. Looks kind of like a giant
tablet. It uses USB-C for power and *mini*-HDMI for video input. So with it, I
carry a zip lock bag that contains: monitor PSU, USB-A to USB-C (power) cable,
HDMI to mini-HDMI cable, and micro-HDMI to mini-HDMI cable. That way, it’s all
contained and I’m ready for anything.


DAVID

29th September 2023, 12:34 am

UART socket? Eee bah gum! I’ve not seen one o’ those since me old times wi ‘t
Z80. Proper tricky it were ‘n all, what with stop bits an’ parity and getting ‘t
cable to work wi’ RTS ‘n that. But you try telling ‘t youth of today…


D SMITH

29th September 2023, 9:51 am

Now yor gettin technical Lad with yore bits and stuff – in my day it was two tin
cans and a length of wet bailer twine – you younguns dont know how easy youv got
it…


ABUGSWORSTNIGHTMARE

28th September 2023, 8:47 am

Because of the new RP1 I/O chip will there be any impact on existing drivers
(CSI/DSI/I2S/etc.)?
Will Pi5 start with Bookworm or Bullseye?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 8:50 am

We’ll be launching with Bookworm – you’ll be able to download the OS very soon.
Keep an eye out here: we’ve got lots of goodies coming!


HPCGUY

30th September 2023, 7:06 am

WIll the 32bit armhf variant of Bookwork be supported in PI OS?


MICHAEL KELLY

30th September 2023, 2:53 pm

Is the I2S still limited to PCM up to 192Khz?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 9:13 am

There is no impact on existing drivers because each of those interfaces you
mentioned gets a completely new driver which, thanks to Linux’s driver models,
slot right in.


ABUGSWORSTNIGHTMARE

28th September 2023, 10:27 am

… but requires a change of existing overlays (i.e. as PWM/GPIOs are no longer
part of the SoC because they’ve move to RP1), right?


6BY9

28th September 2023, 11:13 am

As long as you’re using aliases rather than explicit paths to nodes, then almost
all of those just transfer. There is a slight change around CSI and DSI as each
connector now has a dedicated I2C bus, but GPIO, I2S and PWM, should all be the
same.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 11:14 am

Backwards compatibility has been maintained as much as possible – many overlays
will work unmodified.


TOVLI

10th October 2023, 7:31 pm

My robot used wiringpi to bit-bang clock stretching I2C in bullseye, and not
available in bookworm.

Does RP1 implement true clock stretching I2C?


KAINOMAD

28th September 2023, 8:48 am

Great specs, great price, great conception, as always but i would rather see
another usb-c with display-port alternate mode than 2 mini-hdmi (also would have
been great for data) . Also are 2 cameras ports necessary ? Why not use a hat
for this and embed a m.2 directly on board or direct PoE compatibility? Or even
a SIM card reader ?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 9:01 am

For the small board area required, adding the option of 2 cameras, 2 DSI
displays, or 1 camera and 1 display is going to be very popular. Adding an M.2
socket would increase the height of the board significantly – you’d have to fit
it on the bottom to avoid blocking the fan/ambient air circulation.


KAINOMAD

28th September 2023, 9:16 am

I guess I’m not part of the popular kids’ team ;) Thank you for your answer.
Great job and great ideas! I really like the PWM, UART/Arm debug and JST
additions. Can’t wait to get this baby.


GUNNAR LARSSON

28th September 2023, 8:52 am

Will the raspberry 400 come with a new version as well?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 8:55 am

Oo, that’s a good idea. Must mention it to Eben.


ALASTAIR STEVENS

28th September 2023, 9:07 am

I run a busy code club at my son’s school in Gloucester, using 15x RPi 400s,
which everyone loves. We struggle with the school’s cranky old non-HDMI
monitors, but that’s another story. I can envisage a future RPi 500 taking it to
the next level! The club resumes today, so I look forward to telling them all
about RPi5 first…


JAMIE WHITEHORN

28th September 2023, 9:21 am

+1 on an updated version of the 400, please 🙏🏻
The 400 is my favourite version probably because I cut my teeth on the BBC Micro


RICHARD MOLYNEUX

29th September 2023, 11:26 am

+1 from me too, for a Pi 500, and please don’t forget to include media legends
(play/pause, fast forward/rewind, etc.) printed on the keys this time; as found
on the competition ;-)


ANDREW KIRBY

29th September 2023, 4:43 pm

+1 for an update to the PI 400 – but with the M.2 slot inside for storage


MOMO

1st October 2023, 7:34 am

Please update P400, too. And add an updated soft shutdown / power off option
better than FN + F10 for all children and headless clients, please…


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

1st October 2023, 4:42 pm

I’ll line up a nice shiny pony for you too. ;)

(Please, please do what my toddlers do not do, and be satisfied with the nice
thing we’ve done rather than asking for a pony.)


MATT CRUIKSHANK

24th October 2023, 7:30 pm

If you give me a way to Pre-Order, and actually pre-pay, I will instantly buy a
“Raspberry Pi 500” kit.


JEFF GEERLING

28th September 2023, 8:55 am

Thank you for this comprehensive peek behind the board’s features and
development… so many little details about the RP1 and the new architecture—I
only hope we can see even more bandwidth and more refinements to RP1 in it’s
next iteration. Glad it’s finally seeing the light of day in a real product!


ALEX IVANOVS

28th September 2023, 8:55 am

Great work, team!


RICHARD ERIC

28th September 2023, 8:57 am

Nice upgrade. Good to see the same footprint. The form factor of the RPi is just
about perfect. I had hoped that the RP2040 was going to be added like how the
iMX7 has an M4 co-processor. For embedded stuff it’s a big win. But I guess
would make the silicon too big or pricy. Maybe next time. ;)


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 9:06 am

RP1 and RP2040 are not quite sister chips, but definitely cousins, and RP1 does
have some PIO capabilities – something we are hoping to expose to Linux and
application code over the coming months.


BRIANW

28th September 2023, 9:44 am

Could you expand on what the PIO capabilities are please?
For me, PIO has been the defining feature of the RP2040, and I was coming to the
comments to say I was disappointed see no mention of it in the RP1. I had been
hoping that PIO could be integrated into the RPi GPIO, and the RP1, designed by
the same team as the RP2040, seemed like a missed opportunity to include this
excellent feature, until I saw your comment.


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 10:51 am

RP1 has an internal subsystem that predates RP2040 and is primarily designed for
system management purposes. It does have PIO but is not quite the same as RP2040
PIO, we are looking at whether we can put togheter a nice way to expose it
without falling over ‘my RP2040 PIO stuff doesn’t “just work” on RP1’ type
issues.


LUKE WREN

28th September 2023, 11:42 am

There is one PIO instance (4 state machines). It’s identical to the PIO blocks
on RP2040, except the FIFO depth is doubled. It has single-cycle bus access from
the dual Cortex-M3 management processors on RP1, and the PIO FIFOs can also be
accessed from the host processor (2712) over PCIe, but the PIO configuration
registers are only accessible to the RP1 processors.

One of RP1’s Cortex-M3s is currently going spare, so it should be possible to
write your own Cortex-M firmware and load it into the 16 kB per-Cortex-M3
private SRAM. There won’t be any software support for this at launch though.


BRIANW

28th September 2023, 12:36 pm

Thank you, and James too


TRISS64738 ON THE FORUMS

28th September 2023, 6:14 pm

That sounds rather nice. Is there any chance the RP1 (or a similar chip) will be
released as a standalone? It could be useful for high-bandwidth applications (I
myself had almost used the RP2040 for interfacing with a >100Msps ADC, or
emulating an LCD screen), but the USB1.1 bandwidth limitations of the RP2040
meant I had to resort to chips >10x as expensive.


DRDNAR

28th September 2023, 10:41 pm

That’s great and very exciting information! My first thought when I saw the Pi5
news was, “That thing had better have a PIO block!” I’m glad to see it’s there
even if the software support isn’t quite ready yet.
As an embedded software person myself, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect
that RP2040 stuff could “just work” on the RP1. The fact that the RP1 is a chip
with very a different purpose not directly connected to the host CPUs makes
writing drivers for it a lot different. For example, on the RP2040 you can have
very tightly bounded latency between the CPUs and a PIO block, which is
impossible to get with the main A76 cores, never mind over a chip-to-chip bus.
I think it’s reasonable (perhaps necessary) to tell people that PIO programs for
the RP1 will need to be adapted to work with the Linux kernel. I’m also curious
to see accessible main system RAM is from the RP1 and how DMAs between the chips
work, as I suspect that’s really going to be what makes or breaks custom
high-bandwidth interfaces. I’m guessing you might end up coordinating two levels
of DMA: one from the SoC/DDR4 to RP1, and one from the internal RP1 RAM to the
PIO block.
I really look forward to reading the documentation on the RP1 when it becomes
available!


CHAD PAGE

30th September 2023, 10:09 pm

Does the RP1 support ‘raw’ output to the composite ADC?
I’ve been looking for a good raw composite output for my low-level laserdisc
decoder for quite a while now…


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

1st October 2023, 5:01 pm

We’re going to be doing an in-depth video about RP1 here some time over the next
few weeks: watch this space.


LEAH

29th September 2023, 12:50 am

Oooh, I can’t wait to play with it!

The whole PIO concept is a massive gamechanger. It completely changed how I
think about peripherals, and I really dread having to work with MCUs without a
PIO in the future.

I wouldn’t be too surprised if someone came up with a chip which had a dozen PIO
cores and just dropped all the legacy IP. When you can get the same result by
loading a bitstream into a PIO, why bother hardwiring any protocol?


CBJ

28th September 2023, 9:55 am

The write up.mentions the RP1 is designed using principles from the RP2040 so
you never know there may be an Easter Egg there…

But yes being able to have some basic microcontroller style watchdog processes
running that can kick in the main board when needed, that could be very useful


ZAL

28th September 2023, 9:02 am

Very disappointed in 1x PCI Express and an m2 HAT that makes it impossible to
fit a proper heatsink and fan. That severely handicaps it in comparison to
RK3588 based options such as the Orange Pi 5 Plus. Too bad, I was looking
forward to Raspberry Pi matching the competition.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 9:09 am

I have a Pi 5 with a prototype M.2 HAT and cooling fan running happily on my
desk. I looked up the price of the “competition” and nearly choked on my coffee.


ZAL

28th September 2023, 1:05 pm

How much did you pay for your Pi 5 and m2 HAT, Phil?
Choke all you want. Not all Pi customers are in the UK – for customers outside
your borders the price difference might not be that big, especially not if you
factor in the additional cost of an m2 hat.


DAVID

29th September 2023, 12:48 am

I just checked the price of the Orange 8GB on Amazon.com. $128 excluding
shipping and taxes. Unless you like binary numbers, Raspberry Pi 5 is cheaper by
a wide margin, even with $5 for active cooling. And I’m sure we’ll see a $64
bundle for the binarists soon…


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 9:13 am

The active cooler is $5, as you’ll see from the post you’re replying to. I’ve
just eaten a breakfast croissant that cost more than that; and I can confirm
that the cooler is very proper indeed.


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 9:42 am

The croissants were very proper too…!


BEN

28th September 2023, 9:45 am

Don’t ever change, Liz :-)


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

28th September 2023, 10:24 am

Can confirm that ham and cheese breakfast croissants were excellent value for
money!


ALASTAIR STEVENS

28th September 2023, 9:03 am

Very exciting – thanks for the fascinating article with lots of interesting
design details. This really will be another new era for Raspberry Pi, with a
machine seemingly powerful enough to serve as an everyday computer (the RPi4 was
almost, but not quite, there). I’m already brimming with ideas for RPi5
projects, although sadly the one thing that remains truly out of stock is spare
time!


DREAMCAT4

28th September 2023, 9:09 am

geez i really hope you guys will be taking it upon yourselved to ensure a spart
parts supply replacement of these custom Renesas DA9091 ics. with the 8x smps
and 20 amps. otherwise it’s going to be like the rpi4 / cm4 all over again.
which was an r2r nightmare. btw speaking of cm4 will there be an equivalient cm5
planned / coming? because that would also be pretty desirable actually.


ACQUER

28th September 2023, 9:15 am

If it is always sold out or with extra premiums elsewhere it has no sense to
plain users. RPi was a thing.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 9:18 am

I’m sorry, what?


CAMEFROM SIRIUS

28th September 2023, 10:01 am

Hi Liz, I’ve used AI to help us decode his message. This is the translation:

“If a product is always sold out or only available at a higher price than usual,
it does not make sense for regular customers to purchase it. The Raspberry Pi
was an example of this.”


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 10:06 am

Jolly good that he’ll be able to buy one, then. (Seriously: go and pre-order.)


MAUSSIRK

7th October 2023, 5:42 pm

Will there be also Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 versions available? – not for
industry reason but for my Home Assistant Yellow and there are also other board
which use Compute Modules.
I really would like to pre-order …
where is the link?


DIRK

28th September 2023, 9:15 am

Are there plans to release it also as Compute Module 5?


MW

28th September 2023, 9:15 am

WoW despite all the crap in the world, RPL have managed to release a massively
updated RPi at a great price, be interesting to see how well RPi OS Bookworm
performs.

Also finally we have a PD Power, and as usual the price is extremely competitive
for a Power Supply.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:13 am

Bookworm is something we’ve been working on for a while (and I’d like to thank
the beta testers who have been feeding back to us, I might have a present for
some of you!!!)


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 10:56 am

Worth mentioning the PD supply doesn’t just support the 5V/5A mode but also does
standard 27W PD modes 9V/12V/15V so can be used as a high quality, low cost
‘generic’ USB-PD supply. Internally has Rubycon and Panasonic caps and uses
latest-generation GaN switching tech.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 11:00 am

I’ve been using mine to power my MacBook Pro, which is very pleasing (it’s
charging as I type this): it’s nice to be able to eat my own dogfood, and a
MacBook Pro power supply costs £79 in the UK, which is a lot more than the $12
we’re charging for ours.


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 12:51 pm

I probably should have put more emphasis on the fact you are getting a *REALLY
AWESOME* power supply for $12!


DAVID

29th September 2023, 1:01 am

I don’t know exactly which Apple power supply you’re referring to, but mine is
140W and costs about $85 (excl.). That’s nearly six times the power at a bit
more than six times the price (as you’d expect from Apple).


DAVID

29th September 2023, 1:18 am

I don’t know exactly which power supply you mean, but my 140W MacBook power
supply costs 7 times more than the Pi for a bit less than six times the power.
Still a very impressive achievement for a $12 power supply. Can you say how
efficient it is?


TAYLOR

28th September 2023, 6:45 pm

I wish the Pi itsself had those PD capabilities. I don’t think I’ve seen a power
supply that can do over 3A on any voltage under 20V, so having 9V input to the
Pi would open the amount of power supplies from 1 to ∞ (ok, not quite)


ANDREW WAITE

28th September 2023, 9:16 am

Looks awesome. The micro rather than full size HDMI connectors is disappointing
though.


CHRIS

28th September 2023, 11:02 pm

I will buy the Argon One case that is a brilliant heat sink and puts all ports
at the back whilst conveying the HDMI ports to full size ones. Issue solved.


ALEX ELLIS

28th September 2023, 9:17 am

Congrats to the team, this is a wonderful upgrade for I/O and overall
performance. I shared my testing via Twitter, feel free to check out the
benchmarks and pictures.
https://x.com/alexellisuk/status/1707296079849365650?s=20


IAN HOLLIS

28th September 2023, 9:17 am

Congratulations on hitting a SIX once again.
You folks are feeding my SBC (RPi specifically) obsession. Keep it up. I hope
there’ll be sufficient produced to feed the obvious demand which you’ll
generate. Perhaps RPi 4s will reduce in price to reasonable. :-)


SERGIO COSTAS

28th September 2023, 9:25 am

Looks awesome! But about the MIPI connectors… will they be limited to the
current screens, or we would be able to connect others? I ask because I have a
1920×480 screen with a dual-MIPI interface (the cable has, literally, two
independent MIPI signals), and I was wondering if I would be able to power it
directly from the MIPI connectors instead of having to use the current HDMI
adapter, which is a nuisance.


JAMES HUGHES

28th September 2023, 9:54 am

The latest graphics stack (KMS) has allowed the use of third-party DSI displays
for a while, as long as you have the right driver.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:16 am

Annoyingly, MIPI is a lot more complex than nice things like HDMI. Even people
with experience making displays have trouble getting all the commands and
signals exactly correct. Plus in general, you need a £17k scope to debug it!!!


ABUGSWORSTNIGHTMARE

28th September 2023, 10:49 am

Sure it is dual channel MIPI and not dual-lane (as what would be sufficient for
1920x480pixels)?
Also asked the question if RPI offers possibility for Dual-Channel MIPI-DSI;
thinking of high-res DSI displays and FPD-Link III Bridge Serializer with Video
Splitting (3k/2k) here


6BY9

28th September 2023, 11:20 am

No, there is no support for dual interface displays. They are two discrete DSI
interfaces, and show up under Linux as two distinct DRM devices.
This is why I commented on the forums about Wayfire handling multiple DRM cards
nicely – we’re relying on it here as DSI1/DSI2/DPI/VEC are 4 DRM devices, plus a
5th for vc4. Yes, I have had 5 displays running simultaneously (I didn’t hook up
composite). Substituting DPI for an SPI display also works incredibly well.


ABUGSWORSTNIGHTMARE

28th September 2023, 1:19 pm

Thanks for letting us know!
I’m sure prepared to test Pi5 with 5 screens once I can buy one/get it at hands.
Sorry, but I don’t understand the meaning of ‘Substituting DPI for an SPI
display also works incredibly well’!


6BY9

28th September 2023, 2:12 pm

Both 2 x HDMI, 2 x DSI, and 1 x DPI, and 2 x HDMI, 2 x DSI, and 1 x SPI have
been tested and work.

Seeing as you can use multiple chip selects and SPI buses, you could create a
tiled desktop with multiple SPI displays. Don’t expect a fantastic refresh rate
though (I wouldn’t try watching video on it).


MANUTI

28th September 2023, 9:26 am

Congratulations to the whole team!!!


SIMON MONK

28th September 2023, 9:26 am

A fantastic and well thought out update to the Pi. This is now an extremely good
desktop replacement machine.


GEOFF

28th September 2023, 9:28 am

What I would like is active cooling + PoE + M.2 support.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 9:42 am

You can do that. As you can see if you read the post you’re replying to, you can
stack the active cooler with hats – which will include PoE and M.2.


SUPDUDE

28th September 2023, 10:06 am

All the post says is that you can mount HATs on top of the case fan

He is talking about the active cooler, which is not specified in the post if a
HAT can be mounted on top or not without the use os gpio spacers


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 11:00 am

With an appropriate GPIO spacer and 15mm standoffs you can stack HATs above the
Active Cooler – works very nicely.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

28th September 2023, 9:43 am

You mean like the Active Cooler mentioned in the post?


MEHMET AKSOY

28th September 2023, 9:35 am

Congratulations to all!


JAMIE WHITEHORN

28th September 2023, 9:37 am

Congratulations on the new version 🎉
Really pleased to see the inclusion of the new PCI Express connector. Can’t wait
to see what the partner community does with this.


JAROM HATCH

28th September 2023, 9:37 am

Does the USB-C port have USB3 host support now rather than USB2?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:28 am

No, the USB-C is the same dwc-otg peripheral as before, it’s the most reliable
one we have (we’ve now been using it for 12 years)…


MICHAL TAROVSKY

28th September 2023, 9:38 am

Is it a Secure Platform? Will I be able to run Android TV with HW keys for
Widevine L1?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:29 am

No, it does not have a full TrustZone security implementation. As such it’s not
really possible to gain a full Widevine certification.


SEAN GILLIGAN

11th October 2023, 5:49 pm

When you say “full TrustZone support” is not present, what is missing? (I’m
hoping you just mean the locked bootloader is missing.) Is there (or will there
be) documentation about what TrustZone (hardware) support is provided? Is it the
same as on the 3/4 or has memory protection been added?


DRICH

28th September 2023, 9:39 am

Did just read somewhere that there is no hardware video encoding, is it true ?
That sounds strange as it would means poor performances for real-time
applications


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:36 am

Ok, this is a big one… The problem is that video encoding is not a standard. You
can put as much or as little effort into encoding as you like, on Pi 1, 2, 3, &
4 the encoding quality (for the bitrate) was relatively poor. The nice thing
about using the processors to do this is you get to choose exactly what balance
between quality and bitrate you want. Obviously, the bad thing is the power
consumption, but actually it only takes around 1 processor to encode 1080p60
with our default settings (which is still better quality than the PI 4 hardware
encoder). We think it might be possible with the right settings to be able to
hit 4K encode at around 24fps, but we’ve not been optimising in that direction
yet.

In future we’ll have to do something, but for Pi 5 we feel the hardware encode
is a mm^2 too far.


DRICH

28th September 2023, 11:02 am

Thank you for the detailed reply.
Surprised that it can be done with only <1 CPU-core for better quality than
current implementations, so I will give it a try.
Was afraid because most of the time CPU encoding, even in real-time, adds a few
10's of milliseconds of delay from glass to glass. (I currently have a total of
50ms for a camera→pi4-encoder→wifi→pi4-decoder→HDMI).
Anyway I'm doing all on this on a Compute Module, and when the Pi5 will come in
the CM variant there will probably be some optimizations made then.


ARDENCAPLE

2nd October 2023, 2:42 pm

Hmm .. remember that for any frame based encoding process, you will always have
at least _two_ frames worth of delay in any encode – decode pipeline. You have
to collect the incoming frame data (one frame), encode, decode into another
frame buffer, wait until the next frame is required, then display the resulting
buffer. Even if you had infinitely fast encoders/decoders you cant do better
than that. So 50ms sounds OK to me.


ROGER HARDIMAN

28th September 2023, 6:56 pm

Thanks for the software encoding information.
Are you providing software H264 via the same v4l2m2m interface or just
commenting on what happens when you use libx264. Just thinking ahead to my open
source projects which use the v4l2m2m API to encode raw video frames and if my
applications remain the same (so the new OS still has a v4l2m2m API) or if
developers need to change how they encode and start integrating libx264


VICTOR

29th September 2023, 1:15 pm

I hate to play the part of mood breaker but I have to admit to be disappointed.
Indeed, there have been improvements and RTC is very appreciated but usually
there was a much bigger leap in added value in past new Raspberry new major
releases. I don’t want to downplay the impressive engineering challenges you
faced but I’m wondering if the choice to remain in partnership with Broadcom for
SoC worth all this, considering that now the biggest leap is the price and other
companies release new boards with more impressive hardware capabilities with
much lower efforts. The missing of a modern hardware video encoding is a big
missing. A lot of Pi projects involve streaming videos recorded with cam, and
often this must be done using wifi, other rf transmission, and bandwidth
constraints and compress a video stream in real-time without hardware
acceleration is terrible inefficient and infeasible in the case of heavy codecs
as HEVC.
Also, many would have appreciated an NPU to make this board more suitable for
projects that involves the use of AI. Cpu is improved but not so much and in
real world use there isn’t much differences than Raspberry Pi 4. Cortex A-76 is
still 4 generations behind the current Cortex-X3 and missing the new vector
instructions introduced with ARM-v9. Not having a big-little design also
involves the same inefficiencies of previous version for battery powered
applications. Some of the lacks force many people to fight with absolutely awful
software support of alternative boards.


ROBERT WHITE

29th September 2023, 4:13 pm

The problem is that Raspberry isn’t used only as video player attached to
electric line. I personally used Pi 4 on a drone and H.264 hardware video
encoder allowed me to encode the camera video to stream in realtime. Using
Raspberry Pi 5 in same scenario would consume to much computation resources and
drain the battery too fast. I expected to have a better hardware codec as HEVC
that now is very common or AV1 for encoding. No hardware encoding at all has
been really a bad surprise.


MARCUS

28th September 2023, 9:43 am

Is there any hardware video encoding on the Pi5?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 11:21 am

See previous answer from Gordon.


LEON MATTHEWS

28th September 2023, 9:47 am

How exciting for everybody, Congratulations! It makes me chuckle to think of the
profiteers still with large stocks of hoarded RPi 4 boards.


BOB

28th September 2023, 9:47 am

Lots to like there. :D All I need now is to think of a justification for buying
one. :D
Have you guys given up on Twitter?


SUPDUDE

28th September 2023, 9:47 am

Great news !
Does the new POE+ HAT fit with the active cooler? If it does, does all of that
fit in the new case?
Its all about the density !
Hoping to get one as soon as it releases


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 11:04 am

The new case has its own built-in fan so you don’t need the Active Cooler. New
PoE HAT will fit inside this case.


AARDAPPELTAART

28th September 2023, 9:47 am

Great, seems like a BIG upgrade.
Two questions:
– the camera cable, the same as for the Pi Zero2?
– real-time encoding of video, since a HW encoder is missing, in which
resolution/codec can it be done?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:38 am

Yes it is the same cable as Pi Zero (and the display is the same cable as on the
CMIO board)… But you can have two of them!!


AARDAPPELTAART

28th September 2023, 10:41 am

Good news, then I have some around in the house. ;)


NICOLÒ

28th September 2023, 10:00 am

Is the bootprocess still married to the binary blob inside the VideoCore VII,
can that be treated as BL0 in the boot process?

A simple Arm M0 inside the RP1 whould have been awesome to offload some IO stuff
to it.

Will the RP1 IC available to general public like the RP2040?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:51 am

There still is a bootloader (to do things like network boot, network install,
NVMe boot, USB boot, setting up the SDRAM and possible future easter eggs) it is
not encrypted or open source (again due to bits of code which are not ours to
release). But once we have loaded the kernel and started the ARMs, it’s only job
is to monitor and handle clocks and power, and maybe some encryption key
handling for encrypted boot or something…

What is different to all previous devices is that it is all contained inside the
EEPROM, there is no longer a start.elf or bootcode.bin required to boot.


PETR FALCO

28th September 2023, 10:01 am

Congratulation for a new product! You are really running your own battle with
Wayfire, all sort of freshly designed new chips and everything designed with
Broadcom in mind. Excellent choice, no need for Gnome, no need for RiscV, all
the hackers and tinkerers, please come back and start debugging till the
perfection!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:55 am

Kind of, although it has been a battle we’ve not won yet. Wayfire is quite
limited due to its reliance on a GPU, which means right now we can’t use it for
Pi1,2,3 which don’t have an MMU on the 3D block and have to have the big CMA
carveout. But we’re rewriting a lot of it to allow us to use software
composition for those instead! Hopefully, we’ll be able to move to that over the
coming months…


JAN ZEDNIK

28th September 2023, 3:27 pm

Dear sir,
I have been using Raspberry since 3b+. Congratulation for you amazing work. So
much work has been done on hardware as well as software side.
But since RPi4 I kind of feel it must be difficult to maintain all of the
boards. I think RPi4 suffered from backward compatibility of previous devices in
term of software support moreover I feel like the Videocore 6 GPU lacked
considerable progress since Videocore 4 and Vulkan driver was sort of a work in
progress. Keeping software as well as hardware development is in my opinion
heavy weight, so why don’t you easy work by adopting pure Debian like Armbian
for embedded and Ubuntu for desktop systems or adopting Armbian completely to
join forces with their group working on single robust system tuned on multiple
embedded boards. I feel Gnome is a standards spread across multiple mainline
Linux distributions, de facto standard with future effort focused on being well
integrated and tuned under Wayland. I understand those quirky compositors apart
from Mutter are fine for variety and evolution, but honestly, mankind would not
suffer much from not having them existing. What matters in my opinion is (for
desktop use) stable, debugged solution like Gnome on top of Wayland/Mutter, not
to mention that you collaborate with all the other distributions on single
stable solution saving time effort and resources.You even mentioned Mutter in
previous post related to Wayland adoption, so I wonder why such a change to
something completely new.
I know I don’t have the inside view of all the work and I my view is completely
biased due to lack of facts and information, but I wonder about these questions
a lot.


FLORIAN

28th September 2023, 10:01 am

Hopefully the RP1 is as well documented as the RP2040 (especially the USB
controller). When components from other manufacturers were used, they often put
the data sheets under NDA, which makes it difficult for bare metal developers
like me.


ROGER

28th September 2023, 10:01 am

Thank you to all involved people for continuing to provide the world with
affordable, and great, computers for us, and our kids, to play with. In a world
where “regular” computers gets more and more locked down, making it hard for
kids to tinker with, the Pi is a breath of fresh air.


MRLINUX2U

28th September 2023, 10:04 am

Well, I wasn’t expecting a Pi 5 till 2024 (was anyone?) but I’m not going to
argue – already pre-ordered (along with the fan/heatsink and the new power
supply) to add to my collection of Pi models.

Next thing is to design a case for it for my new 3D printer to print (once the
technical drawings are available).

Many thanks to the whole team for bringing us the next generation Raspberry Pi
(and all the associated goodies).


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

28th September 2023, 10:05 am

SURPRISE! Official case is coming soon…


EDDY

28th September 2023, 4:08 pm

You mean other than the red and white with fan (for RP5) official case?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

28th September 2023, 10:56 am

Mechanical drawings of the Raspberry Pi 5 are available!


ADBCODE

28th September 2023, 10:05 am

I am still running the original model B (rev 2) all these years as my first and
only RPi. Maybe I can finally upgrade now?!
I was too afraid to experiment with the GPIO pins because you can easily kill
the board by messing up some connections. It seems like it will be less likely
with the new arrangement.
If you read this, a small request: I hope there is an option to keep the “boot
when powered on” behaviour with the new model. It is nice to have safe shut
down, but the old behaviour was also handy when dealing with remote deployments.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 10:57 am

Yes, don’t worry we wouldn’t require a button to turn on, it’s my biggest
bugbear with some of my server things at home, it’s always a problem when I have
a powercut!


ADBCODE

30th September 2023, 12:23 pm

Haha good to know! Thanks for the confirmation!


HELEN

28th September 2023, 10:08 am

Will there also be a PCIe hat with an open ended PCIe x1 connector where we can
plug normal PCIe cards into?


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 10:41 am

It’s possible to do this but ‘big’ PCIe x1 connectors require 12V at up to 25W,
so extra power supply complexity.


THAGROL

28th September 2023, 2:23 pm

The M.2 HAT and something like the following should do the trick.
https://www.amazon.com/GELRHONR-Adapter-Indicator-Bitcoin-Mining-Black/dp/B09N1FYCQZ/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=m.2+to+pcie&qid=1695907102&sr=8-11


ABUGSWORSTNIGHTMARE

28th September 2023, 10:09 am

RI1 is the chip where CSI/DSI interface is implemented, right?
Spec and board labeling show that RP1 is able to switch MIPI interface as per
user request (2x CSI or 2X DSI or 1x CSI+1DSI). As the interface is 4-lanes each
(if I’m not misreading the spec) does this mean we will be able to connect to
dual-channel 4-lane MIPI DSI displays in the future -> allowing for high
resolution DSI displays?


6BY9

28th September 2023, 11:28 am

Answered above, but no they are two discrete DSI interfaces. With each running
at up to 1.5Gbit/s/lane it can go somewhat beyond the 1080p60 limit of the older
SoCs though.


BRIAN BEUKEN

28th September 2023, 10:14 am

Wow this is exciting, my order is in, can’t wait. Though I am a bit worried
about the loss of X11 to Wayland, Ive never quite got my head around that, but I
guess this will force some new learning.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 11:05 am

In the long run, this is going to make everything better across all Pi devices.
I am hoping to one day be able to send video images through the operating system
directly to the hardware to put onto the screen, no longer converting them From
YUV wallpaper mode to RGB tiled to be composed with the 3D into a buffer which
might even then need to be converted back to a linear (untiled) mode and then
pushed out the display…

My target is 1080p30 in a window on Pi 1

:)


BEN PIETRAS

28th September 2023, 12:33 pm

Wayland has been working great for a while now. I use sway for my daily driver
and (aside from using x2go) it works well with everything.


SHIVAM

28th September 2023, 10:20 am

This is great news.
Can’t wait to get my hands dirty.


DALE

28th September 2023, 10:24 am

Having followed these things from the beginning and probably owning 1 if not 2
of most models, I think its amazing how far these little devices have come!
I think there are 2 questions here though:
1) Will there be a RPi500 to replace the 400?
2) from a point of pricing, these are amazing little devices, but they do seem
to be stepping away from the affordable devices of a few years ago, even the
Zero2 is now 3 times more expensive than the original Zero, will this created
accessibility problems or are there plans to fit in an ‘inbetween’ model?
Something which gives you most of the ports so all USB/ethernet, maybe only 1
hdmi, less base ram and a few other things less like no pci connector or RTC
stuff, to essentially strip out component cost, which still make it a better
fully fledged version than a Zero, but more affordable than a flagship?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 10:42 am

This is a $5 increase over the equivalent Pi 4 models – we think that’s actually
pretty good for a >2x increase in performance and a number of new features, and
if you’re particularly price-sensitive, all the predecessor models are still
available.


DALE

28th September 2023, 12:36 pm

I probably have enough already :)
I guess I was thinking of the fact that in the earlier days when the Zero came
out, there was essentially a £5, £20 and £30 model, where the range topper was
£30 and that stuff generally held its price well until Raspberry Pi 4, where the
ram just seemed to inflate the cost a fair bit. I loved how fully fledged yet
cheaply disposable the Rpi Zero was when it was £5.
I have seen you can still get some models some times, do you actually still
produce all the earlier models as components become available? I guess everyone
always wants more for less dosh these days. I’ve just been quite happy with the
Zero, but having lots of extra power gives possibility for so many things!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 12:41 pm

We do, yes. rpilocator.com is your friend!


SUMANTA DAS

28th September 2023, 10:26 am

Will there be 16GB model coming?


NAFANZ

28th September 2023, 10:34 am

Wow! This is the best news today.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 11:27 am

And hopefully tomorrow?


NAFANZ

29th September 2023, 6:39 am

Yes.
I also want to believe that in the near future you will announce a version with
16 GB of RAM and an updated RPi 500.
Then it will be a bomb.


BOUARFA MAHI

28th September 2023, 10:39 am

Hello,
is there a datasheet available for the Raspberry Pi 5? I need information on the
exact positions of the Ethernet port and power button for customizing a
3D-printed case

Thanks


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 10:43 am

Not yet, but it’ll be available when the hardware itself is available.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 11:27 am

But the mechanical drawings are available now:
https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/rpi5/raspberry-pi-5-mechanical-drawing.pdf


STEWART WATKISS

28th September 2023, 10:43 am

Congratulations. Sounds great!
I’ve placed a pre-order already and I’m looking forward to having a go once it
arrives through the door.


TALLY

28th September 2023, 10:52 am

A great update, looking forward to getting it but one question.
Is the Pi 5 a “proper” Arm PC ?
By that I mean does it have UEFI support out of the box that adheres to the Arm
system ready standard so we can use any general ARM64 compatible operating
system [similar to x86 UEFI] or is it still limited to uboot and its tailored OS
images.

Thank you.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 11:29 am

The bootloader doesn’t support UEFI, it’s a bit too much to fit into the EEPROM
along with everything else. I don’t know if there’s a minimal UEFI
implementation, but it does seem like UEFI is quite large.


M. MEDIOUNI

28th September 2023, 12:14 pm

U-Boot nowadays has a UEFI implementation available. Can you tell the size of
the EEPROM? Is it 128KB like previous RPi generations?


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 12:40 pm

16GBit (2MByte)


M. MEDIOUNI

28th September 2023, 12:51 pm

I understand that to be 16Mbit instead of Gbit :)

Depending on how much is taken by the firmware, that’s way more than enough
space to fit in a U-Boot UEFI-compatible implementation with some ACPI tables
(preferably if that PCIe controller is ECAM compliant).

I wonder if Raspberry Pi would be interested by such a project.


TALLY

28th September 2023, 4:10 pm

Thank you for the reply.
I understand the limits and price points to get it to ship.
Maybe one day we could see a deluxe Pi 5, with the hardware mounted on a
mini-ITX motherboard with all the I/O PCI-e etc and a UEFI bootloader.


LUKÁŠ ŘÍHA

29th September 2023, 7:51 pm

There actually is a project trying to provide UEFI for Rpi4,
https://github.com/pftf/RPi4 . Is larger than current EEPROM size as stated
below, but I imagine it could be optimized for size.


VOJTĚCH HRON

28th September 2023, 10:53 am

this is very good i will buy


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

29th September 2023, 8:56 am

Thanks, Vojtěch, this was my favourite comment of the day!


IGNAS KIELA

28th September 2023, 10:57 am

Does RP1 emulate SMI(Secondary Memory Interface) that HATs like CaribouLite use
for high-speed data transfer?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 11:31 am

That should be possible in the future with a suitable PIO driver. There is a PIO
implementation and we’re hoping to develop a nice Linux driver and some userland
tools for it. But we’re not there yet!


IGNAS KIELA

28th September 2023, 1:43 pm

PIO!? You got me very interested :)


JOE FONGO

28th September 2023, 11:09 am

Does the power button support instant on/off like a cell phone? Or will the pi
still need 30s to boot each time?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 11:35 am

The power button currently triggers a full boot or shutdown – booting to the
desktop is under 30 seconds. In future it may support a low power suspend mode
which will boot much more rapidly, but until it actually works I can’t promise
it.


THAGROL

28th September 2023, 12:42 pm

The only thing instantly powered on/off by your phone’s power button is the
screen. Everything else is still running otherwise you’d not be abel to recieve
calls.


GIOVANNI RITO RUSSO

28th September 2023, 11:09 am

I know realvnc doesn’t support “Wayland” as I read that debian Bookworm will be
released with Wayfire Wayland composer, what system will Pios use? always
realvnc with wayland support or other software?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 11:11 am

Right now we’re recommending WayVNC on the server end, and TigerVNC on the
client end. There will be plenty of documentation available around VNC – watch
this space!


GIOVANNI RITO RUSSO

28th September 2023, 11:14 am

So in raspi-config we will no longer find the active realvnc entry? Do we have
to manually install compatible software? in debian 12?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

28th September 2023, 11:39 am

We do have contact with the WayVNC developer but this won’t give the ability to
remotely access your Pi as RealVNC does. We’re hoping it will start working, now
they have a full example of how to port to Wayland, but it will take time.


ROBIN DAVIES

30th October 2023, 10:06 pm

> [WayVNC, doesn’t support remote access like RealVNC does]
I’m hard pressed to imagine what VNC support means if it doesn’t mean supporting
remote access.

So is there a solution for remote access to headless device? Specifically, is
there a solution for connecting to a headless Pi running bookworm from a Windows
computer?


CHRIS FOX

12th November 2023, 7:49 am

Hmm.. Unlike RealVNC, TigerVNC doesn’t have a Viewer that runs on iOS or Macs
with Apple silicon. This is unfortunately a deal breaker for me – just trying to
cancel my pre-order…


MELTWATER

28th September 2023, 11:16 am

Wow the little RPi has grown.
Some awesome features and huge potential for learning, really can’t wait to see
what crazy uses we can make of this one. Might have to get back to writing
again!


KUMAR ABHISHEK

28th September 2023, 11:24 am

Awesome, congratulations! This is great and I am looking forward to buy one when
it’s available.
I am curious if BCM2712 retains the SMI (secondary memory interface) that was
present on the earlier silicon.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 11:37 am

Not directly, but see Gordon’s answer above:
https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/?trashed=1&ids=1594104#comment-1594103


KUMAR ABHISHEK

28th September 2023, 1:38 pm

I read Luke’s comment about the PIO architecture on the RP1 and it seems really
interesting! On the Pico, only 30 pins are connected externally to the PIO even
though it seems to have 32 pins for itself as per the block documentation in the
Pico datasheet. So are all 32 pins contiguously available on a PIO block brought
out on the 40-pin header? Just curious – because by default only 28 GPIOs are
available on the 40-pin header and I assume you will maintain backward
compatibility on the header.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 4:57 pm

> by default only 28 GPIOs are available on the 40-pin header and I assume you
> will maintain backward compatibility on the header.

This.


RADEK SUSKI

28th September 2023, 11:25 am

Cool. Exactly on my birthday


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 11:31 am

Happy birthday!


DAVID MOHRING

28th September 2023, 11:27 am

Will SKUs of the Raspberry Pi 5 with more memory than 4GB & 8GB be available in
the future?
If so what ETA?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 11:38 am

But that would be an announcement of something we haven’t announced, which
sounds like some kind of paradox.


DAVID MOHRING

28th September 2023, 12:05 pm

So it is not a no then.
Your being so enigmatic that it seems to hint it even be an option for the Pi 5
version of the Raspberry Pi 400.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 12:14 pm

No, I just find it strange that people don’t seem to understand how
announcements work.


ASHISH

28th September 2023, 11:29 am

This looks awesome! Congratulations to Raspberry Pi team.


CHRIS STAGG

28th September 2023, 11:46 am

Congrats on the new flagship!
And kudos on not having the mad dash release.

One question, if the RP1 chip is not available for general release, would there
be a pico-esk board with it that uses USB-C/thunderbolt/pcie for connecting to
it?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 11:54 am

Hi Chris! It did feel like pre-announcing would give the most people the most
opportunity to get their hands on one on day one! As usual, I’m afraid we can’t
comment on future releases (apart from the one in the headline), so I’m going to
gliiiiide past your question. :)


CHRIS STAGG

30th September 2023, 10:02 am

After a couple of days, and a bit more comment reading (in multiple forums), I
sense hope for RP1’s solo act.


LEE GIBSON

28th September 2023, 11:51 am

Fantastic job guys, great news on the RTC, this was a real bug bear for remotely
deployed system that was required to to rebooted every xx days or hours in know
down time periods. So many other improvements too!
I use the Pi4 for industrial product development (poettnially at large volumes)
and a solution which is incredibly cost sensitive. I use HD video as a key
function and my solution does not require much RAM (runs okay on 512MB), but it
does need network and masses of connectivity via USB. I could use the Zero 2
from a cost perspective (it will work on that), but lack of network and USB
ports makes it non viable. Pi 5 at 4Gb and 8gb prices are great but are too
expensive. So bottom line, will we see 1GB and 2GB versions around the Pi 4
equivalent price? And yes I could use the Pi4 for now but eventually Pi will
replace and we will be ascending the cost curve by default without Pi5 1GB and
2GB. I appreciate you are stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to be all
things to all people, I just hope the hunt for ‘PC use’ status does not
overshadow the well connected, low cost credentials that only a Pi with smaller
memory offers and always has, in fact it is what it was born for!


MAIK

28th September 2023, 11:56 am

Nobody seems to want to answer the question if there will be a CM5 and when :)
Is it not allowed to give any information about this yet?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 11:57 am

We do not comment on future product releases. Apart from the one we’re talking
about today. :)


LEE GIBSON

28th September 2023, 12:41 pm

Hi Liz, does this ‘no comment’ response also apply to my question (the one above
this) relating to 1GB and 2GB Pi5’s above as I have not seen any feedback on
that?


GRAY

28th September 2023, 11:58 am

This is a really amazing upgrade and I’m really looking forward to trying it
out. Side note, when the inevitable CM5 drops a year or so from now, please,
please make the new carrier board mount directly to ATX chassis like a VIA APC
or similar. The only ATX carriers that came out for the CM4 were £200 cluster
boards. I just need the standard one but slightly wider with different hole
placement. Literally 5 servers and a desktop in this house running 12 year old
CPU’s, waiting for a compelling ARM8 ATX board to replace them with!


DOĞUKAN SAHIL

28th September 2023, 12:22 pm

I want to buy a product, but I hope you are aware that the stocks you sell to
Turkey are generally problematic..


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 12:27 pm

The stock our Turkish Authorised Resellers sell is exactly the same as the stock
that we sell in every other country in the world. Who are you buying from?


JAMES

28th September 2023, 12:24 pm

Congrats and thanks for the detailed post. With the pleasantries out of the way,
as a Model A enjoyer, I am compelled to ask:
Can we get a Model A this time, pretty please? It’s such a neat form factor.


JAVIER GOLDMAN

28th September 2023, 12:34 pm

First of all, congrats! The pi 5 looks awsome.
Wouldve loved it announced a little later(or earlier), i just got my first pi
(4b) and wouldve waited if i had known D=
Still, i find it kinda sad there’s no AV1 decode/encode support


ERWIN

28th September 2023, 12:36 pm

Is Raspberry Pi 5 compatible with the current Raspberry Pi Operating System for
Raspberry Pi 4?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

28th September 2023, 12:42 pm

As mentioned in the post we’re currently working on a new release of Raspberry
Pi OS based on the most recent release of Debian, codenamed “Bookworm.”

This new version of Raspberry Pi OS will launch in mid-October, and you’ll be
able to download it shortly before Raspberry Pi 5 arrives on the shelves in
late-October.


LEE GIBSON

28th September 2023, 1:11 pm

Hi Alastair,
I think the question was, will Pi 5 still run Bullseye?
And further to that, for my purposes will Pi 5 it still run Buster?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 1:15 pm

No, you’ll need to be running Bookworm. Promise you’ll like it though.


LEE GIBSON

28th September 2023, 1:27 pm

Ouch, that’s a killer for long term killer commercial/industrial applications
like mine that rely Buster and cannot run on Bullseye or Bookworm (reliant on
OMX Player as VLC does do what is needed and probably never will) once the Pi4
and Pi3 are no longer available :(


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 1:27 pm

You’ve got plenty of time; we’re not going to be discontinuing Pi 4 until at
least the 2030s.


JAMES HUGHES

28th September 2023, 1:30 pm

Lee, can you clarify why VLC or some combination of FFMPEG et al doesn’t do what
you need? OMXplayer can never run on Pi5, so getting alternatives up and running
is important to us. You can email applications@raspberrypi.com


JAVIER GOLDMAN

28th September 2023, 1:37 pm

will current installations be updated? or do we need to do a clean install?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 1:44 pm

Moving from Bullseye to Bookworm will require a clean install even more than the
Buster to Bullseye transition. I think it will be less effort to move your
customisations across than to upgrade an image in-place, and much less
error-prone.


JAVIER GOLDMAN

28th September 2023, 3:10 pm

is there any recommended way to backup my customizations? kinda still new to
this


MARK

28th September 2023, 12:47 pm

Great to see the new raspberry pi 5. PCI express is also very good. I will add
an external SSD. I will be using this device for home assistant. Will there also
be a compute module 5? Or is that difficult due to a higher power consumption?
Please do something about the distribution, so we don’t have to pay extra
because the RPI 5 won’t be freely available in the market.
But nice to see this new chip. Great work.
Best regards,
Mark


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 12:49 pm

Go to your local Authorised Reseller: they’ll all have stock at launch, and
most, if not all of them, are taking pre-orders. And they’ll all be selling at
the recommended price (but be aware of your local taxes please).


BOLTRONICS

28th September 2023, 1:31 pm

I wish there was a model with 16Gb of RAM.
Not that it matters. Everywhere in Australia seems to be completely sold out
just a few hours after release. I wonder how long it will take to restock?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 1:36 pm

It is not released yet: this is an announcement post that you are replying to!
Please go back and read more to find out when and where you’ll be able to buy
one.


BOLTRONICS

28th September 2023, 2:08 pm

Thanks. The article says “Units are available to pre-order today from many of
our Approved Reseller partners”, and the stores I checked either said “sold out”
or “out of stock” (which I took to mean that pre-orders have sold out). OFC I’ll
be happy if that’s not actually the case (and yes I’m now on the waiting lists
but it’s not possible to put money down like a true pre-order at
piaustralia.com.au or core-electronics.com.au).


THOMAS DIECKMANN

28th September 2023, 12:52 pm

I’m still missing a WLAN connector (U.FL)… When using metal cases, the signal
might be supressed. So please produce a Rev.2 with this connector, very soon!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 12:55 pm

No.


SAM

28th September 2023, 12:59 pm

Can the RP1 be used as a standalone processor? I.e. in the future, is it
possible that an rp2040 equivalent of the RP1 might be released? I only ask
because a rp2040 style microcontroller with a camera interface would be amazing
👌


MARCIN

28th September 2023, 1:06 pm

If connector PCIe 2.0 can be used to connect fast NVME disk? If so, how to
design and count performance for such setup? Could we boot from NVMe then?
Adapter needed or not?


ABUGSWORSTNIGHTMARE

28th September 2023, 1:22 pm

That’s what the M.2 HAT will be used for.
NVMe boot will be possible for sure.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 1:49 pm

Yes, the M.2 HAT Eben mentioned will allow booting from an NVME SSD – the
prototype works really well.


SATADRU PRAMANIK

28th September 2023, 1:19 pm

Hooray for a new iteration!
I assume the RTC battery fits neatly within the new case?


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 1:42 pm

Yes it does!


MIKE632T.

28th September 2023, 1:29 pm

Just in time for Christmas !!!
Now I know what I want in my stocking this year.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

28th September 2023, 1:53 pm

It’s the most wonderful time of the year.


ROB BEARD

28th September 2023, 1:30 pm

Sounds like an awesome upgrade to the Pi 4, looks like it’s worth the wait. :-)


TEK

28th September 2023, 1:44 pm

Will PI5 be at Maker Faire in Rome next month?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

28th September 2023, 1:52 pm

YES! Here is a list of all the events you can get hands-on with Raspberry Pi 5:
https://events.raspberrypi.com/experience-raspberry-pi-5


W. H. HEYDT

28th September 2023, 4:19 pm

Thanks for the list. I see that the Maker Faire that is practically in my back
yard–and for which I already have a ticket–will have Pi5s.


STEFFEN

28th September 2023, 1:49 pm

Interesting. I’m curious why you didn’t address a huge weak point, being the SD
card, by introducing emmc storage?


JAMES HUGHES

28th September 2023, 1:54 pm

For the vast majority of people, SD cards are not a weak point, but a useful
feature. On the Pi5 the SD card speed has doubled. You will be able to use M.2
SSDs on HAT in the future, you can already USB or network boot if you want.


STEFFEN

28th September 2023, 10:44 pm

It’s fine to keep the SD card slot. But it is well known in the home assistant
community, that if you run the os on an SD card, the card will inevitably crash.
So to not improve on this is pretty crazy to me.


W. H. HEYDT

29th September 2023, 1:27 am

Beside the fact that no storage medium lasts forever, given what has been said,
your solution is: Pi5+case+M.2 HAT+*internal* NVMe SSD. I did a quick look
earlier and you can get 256GB PCIe3*4 NVMe SSDs for less that $30. Set up that
way and the whole unit is self-contained.


ROBERT WHITE

29th September 2023, 5:26 pm

Never had an SD crash in many years of use always on. The SD crashes if are
cheap or os isn’t properly configured. SD is a a standard with many different
quality cards and technologies, some have also trim feature that makes them
basically as wear resistant as a SSD hard disk.


COOLIPI

2nd October 2023, 1:16 am

I’ve settled on SAMSUNG PRO Endurance cards, because other cards fail at reading
(and eventually wear out) because of TLC or QLC architecture after some time.
PRO Endurance is MLC. Supports TRIM (lsblk -D shows it can trim) and fstrim -v /
can trim it (once a week is sufficient). SanDisk has an equivalent line of SD
cards (also MLC). I don’t know which of them is better.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 1:57 pm

I find the removable storage to be a strength, not a weakness, since it allows
easy switching between projects and encourages experimentation. The M.2 HAT will
provide a higher performance, higher reliability alternative for those who feel
the need.


SLY

29th September 2023, 2:19 pm

Exactly! Removable storage is a must. Not only it is more comfortable and allow
to easily switch from a card to another to use a different OS image,
configuration etc. But also increase the life of the board not forcing you to
trash it because of NAND wearing. With more clue of the facts, many people would
rather ask for a faster sd card standard (since it doesn’t even support UHS-II
that now with SDUC and SD Express is 3 generations old) rather than emmc that
would be a step back.


SLY

29th September 2023, 2:10 pm

The emmc is not better than sdcard. This is an old myth built on the fact there
are a lot of cheap poor quality sd card and a lot of cheap and old SD card
reader on the market, not a problem of SD card standard itself. There are sd
card with support to trim as SSD and very fast speed, not even mentioning SD
Express readers and SDUC sdcard standards. Makes no sense to switch to emmc
would be much better using just a newer SD card reader, that can take advantage
of faster microsd.


KELLI

28th September 2023, 1:51 pm

Ah, it’s too bad there isn’t any analog(ue) audio output on the board anymore.
No more simple-build PiPod. Used to be that all that was needed was a small
amplifier to boost the audio up from line level to more ‘oomph’ to drive
higher-impedance headphones. Now there’ll have to be a DAC as well… and I don’t
even know what it’ll connect to for the digital audio.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 5:02 pm

A cheap USB DAC would be the obvious choice, unless you absolutely need all 4
ports for something else (and no hub), or you can’t make it all fit.


ARDENCAPLE

2nd October 2023, 5:06 pm

It really depends on what you want – there are lots of audio HATs available. A
couple of things to remember – the original analogue output wasn’t very HiFi –
so if you want quality audio you need something else anyway. Also, if you are
just using it as an audio output device, then you don’t need all the processing
power of a pi 4/5. The Pi Zero 2W is ideal for this, especially when paired with
the rpi codec zero hat, although that takes the combined price up to about the
same as a Pi 4/5. Availability of the Z2W is taking a bit longer than promised
to ramp up, but should be here soon.


TIM

28th September 2023, 1:52 pm

Please share cryptsetup benchmark output.


LIAM FRASER

29th September 2023, 9:37 am

For Pi4

# Algorithm | Key | Encryption | Decryption
aes-cbc 128b 49.1 MiB/s 75.1 MiB/s
serpent-cbc 128b N/A N/A
twofish-cbc 128b N/A N/A
aes-cbc 256b 42.5 MiB/s 57.3 MiB/s
serpent-cbc 256b N/A N/A
twofish-cbc 256b N/A N/A
aes-xts 256b 82.5 MiB/s 73.0 MiB/s
serpent-xts 256b N/A N/A
twofish-xts 256b N/A N/A
aes-xts 512b 64.5 MiB/s 56.1 MiB/s
serpent-xts 512b N/A N/A
twofish-xts 512b N/A N/A

For Pi 5:

# Algorithm | Key | Encryption | Decryption
aes-cbc 128b 1073.5 MiB/s 1895.5 MiB/s
serpent-cbc 128b N/A N/A
twofish-cbc 128b 122.4 MiB/s 126.7 MiB/s
aes-cbc 256b 869.4 MiB/s 1581.4 MiB/s
serpent-cbc 256b N/A N/A
twofish-cbc 256b 123.6 MiB/s 127.3 MiB/s
aes-xts 256b 1539.2 MiB/s 1530.9 MiB/s
serpent-xts 256b N/A N/A
twofish-xts 256b 126.2 MiB/s 128.9 MiB/s
aes-xts 512b 1347.9 MiB/s 1334.3 MiB/s
serpent-xts 512b N/A N/A
twofish-xts 512b 128.1 MiB/s 128.9 MiB/s


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 1:53 pm

Dual 4Kp60 HDMI, dual camera/display connectors, high performance USB3 and PCIe
connectors are all very well, but I expected more love for the dedicated
UART/JTAG connector – perhaps I’m just odd.


STAN423321

28th September 2023, 2:23 pm

Debugging support is useless until the day you need it [%

Is it compatible with Pico probes? Does it have hardware “intrusion” support, or
is it handled by software?


LOGAN H-D

28th September 2023, 2:24 pm

So long as it remains compatible with the Pi probe, it’ll be a handy addition
for any time I manage to completely break many things.


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 2:51 pm

Yes it was designed to work with with the Raspberry Pi Debug Probe.


PAWEL

29th September 2023, 9:36 am

Is it going to replace JTAG from 40 pin connector and has it gdb support? Can
you elaborate more what kind of JTAG is it (swd?)


GIOVANNI RITO RUSSO

28th September 2023, 1:59 pm

Will the official 7 inch Raspberry display work with Pi5?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

28th September 2023, 2:38 pm

Yes, the 7-inch Touch Display will work with the Raspberry Pi, but you’ll need a
new Flat Flexible Cable (FFC) as the MIPI DSI/CSI connectors on the 5 are now at
a higher density.


LASZLO DOBROVOLSZKI

28th September 2023, 1:59 pm

Congrats on the new raspberry pi to the whole team. I was waiting for rpi5 for
quite a while. And yes, my biggest dream came true with the on board on/off
switch! Already pre-ordered two units… :D (pssst)


STAN423321

28th September 2023, 2:05 pm

Hey folks, minor question on the power supply changes. If I connect a 5V 6A
barrel adapter I use for other stuff through a barrel/USB-C kludge to a RPi5,
how will the experience differ from new official adapter? Is there some USB
negotiation involved over amperes, or is that only for volts?


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 2:50 pm

You can add a line to config.txt to tell the Pi to ignore the power
autodetection and just assume the supply can give 5V/5A.


GZ

28th September 2023, 2:06 pm

Did I read that correctly? There is no SATA connector, and the maximum load on
USB is actually lower than Pi4. This means a couple of things. The first is that
you still won’t be able to connect a standard 2.5″ SSD drive without an active
USB hub in between. The second – the lack of a real SATA connector is the
performance bottleneck for Pi4. Therefore an old laptop with the SATA and slower
CPU will be much faster and responsive that this new Pi, no matter how much
faster the CPU will be.


JAMES HUGHES

28th September 2023, 2:26 pm

USB load will be fine if you use our power supply, and we will release an M.2
HAT so you can have a nice fast SSD attached, although I have found the doubling
of speed of the SD card interface to make for a very good desktop performance.


FANOUSH

28th September 2023, 4:48 pm

SATA is old, NVME/PCI-E is better for the future. Even the 1x line gives NVME
speed similar to SATA, definitely not bottleneck.

Well, I secretly hoped at least for two pci-e lines as every nvme ssd has at
least two or have at least 3.0 version but one can’t have everything, still PI5
os great :-) I hope at least CM5 will have more pci-e lines exposed.


FANOUSH

30th September 2023, 9:46 pm

Oh, found out the pci-e line is actually 3.0 unofficially and works just fine in
3.0 mode for nvme so I am happy. ~900MB/s disk i/o is plenty.


JOSEPH PIERCE

28th September 2023, 2:11 pm

That sounds nice but I can get a full blown prodesk for cheaper and it’s faster
bigger HHD and more ram


JAMES HUGHES

28th September 2023, 2:24 pm

Interested, please supply a link to this.


NORMAN JACKSON

29th September 2023, 6:24 am

James, I suspect your money won’t work in la-la-land.


JASON JACKSON

28th September 2023, 11:30 pm

Don’t hog them all! Spill the beans, where can I find some? Although, they won’t
be nearly as power efficient as RPi.


LOGAN H-D

28th September 2023, 2:22 pm

I see a lot of commentators say that the Pi5 supports USB PD. The actual blog
post doesn’t mention this, is this confirmable by a Pi Foundation member? Also,
how does this new power supply system work with gadget mode? Does the Pi5 even
have gadget mode like the Pi4 did?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

28th September 2023, 2:27 pm

The Raspberry Pi 5 requires a good quality USB-C power supply capable of
delivering 3A at +5V (15W) in order to boot. However, using such a supply will
restrict the current draw to peripherals. If you are using a power supply that
cannot provide 5A at +5V on first boot you will be warned by the operating
system that the current draw to peripherals will be restricted to 600mA.

The Power Management Integrated Circuit (PMIC) of the Raspberry Pi 5 implements
the USB-PD standard which allows higher voltages and currents to be negotiated
via software.

For users who wish to drive high-power peripherals like hard drives and SSDs,
while retaining margin for peak workloads, a USB-PD enabled power supply capable
of supplying a 5A at +5V (25W) should be used. If the Raspberry Pi 5 firmware
detects such a supply, it increases the USB current limit for peripherals to
1.6A, providing 5W of extra power for downstream USB devices, and 5W of extra
onboard power budget.


LOGAN H-D

28th September 2023, 2:51 pm

The phrasing in this seems a bit odd, would like some clarification. If I have a
USB-PD power supply that can supply 12V at 3 amps, am I correct in interpreting
that the Pi will *not* increase the downstream wattage? I can understand
recommending 5V 5A specifically, that way there wouldn’t be a need to buck the
power, but are other voltages just not going to be supported for proper
supplying for other devices at full power?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

28th September 2023, 3:01 pm

Our upcoming 27W USB-PD capable supply can deliver: 5.0A at 5.1V, 3.0A at 9.0V,
2.25A at 12.0V, 1.8A at15.0V. It comes with a 1.2m 17AWG captive cable.

However, you are correct. If you have a power supply that can do 3A at 12V,
there will be no increase in downstream Wattage. The Raspberry Pi 5 requires a
5V supply. It will negotiate for 5V at 5A.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 3:04 pm

Mine’s busy charging my M2 MacBook Pro at the moment. Seems to be handling it
quite nicely.


LEAH

29th September 2023, 12:41 am

Wow, that’s a huge disappointment. I really did not expect that. I would’ve
expected it to be USB PD compliant so that you can just use any regular old
power brick.

Being forced to use the official Raspberry Pi wall wart is a huge dealbreaker,
in my opinion. I guess I’ll just have to wait for the rev2 which fixes this –
just like the USB-C issues with the Pi 4.


JAMES HUGHES

28th September 2023, 2:29 pm

Yes, the Pi5 will negotiate for a 5v5A supply, and use that if present (the
Official PS will do this as well as other voltages). In the absence of the
negotiation,. 5v3A will be used, which is actually good enough for most use
cases.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 2:30 pm

Yes, the Pi 5 has gadget mode, just like Pi 4.


THAGROL

28th September 2023, 2:25 pm

I’d like to have seen more power for USB devices rather than less but otherwise
it sounds like a great leap forward.


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 2:27 pm

You do get more downstream USB current, 1.6A minimum (if you have a 5V/5A
supply).


NICKO

28th September 2023, 2:27 pm

Does the fact that the drivers for the VideoCore VII GPU will be open sourced
mean that Broadcom will be publishing full details of how to make the most of
the GPU? It would be great to be able to write drivers for off-loading of
compute-intensive machine learning inference using the GPU, especially now we
have two camera interfaces!


MIKE REDROBE

28th September 2023, 2:39 pm

Can the RTC wake/restart the pi after a period of time off/sleeping ?


JAMES ADAMS

28th September 2023, 2:47 pm

Yes


ALEX

28th September 2023, 2:43 pm

Does the new Pi support the standard OpenGL api (non ES)? Anyway, the faster I/O
chip, the SOC and the PCIe lanes exposed are very great additions to the
ecosystem. I expected a hexacore or an octacore tho


JIM

28th September 2023, 2:43 pm

Squeee!!!!! The addition of the M.2 HAT is killing me!
I wasn’t going to get a new RPi right away, but I want this so bad!
Fantastic job to everyone involved!


BRENT MCGEE

28th September 2023, 2:45 pm

Can I play Skyrim on this?


JACK CHANEY

28th September 2023, 2:46 pm

Is there any plan for a Pi-500?


MW

28th September 2023, 3:14 pm

Jeez all this rubbish about CM5 / 500, some people are just not satisfied.

Now an on topic question, will 32bit support be dropped from Raspberry Pi
Bookworm OS for the RPi5 ? because it is about time that 64bit is the norm..


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 5:10 pm

If you’re asking whether the 32-bit Bookworm images will also support Pi 5 then
the answer is no. If you’re asking something else then you’ll have to clarify
the question.


MW

28th September 2023, 6:34 pm

Thank you, yes you have deduced correctly, great..


JOE THOMPSON

28th September 2023, 3:21 pm

Many congrats on this mighty achievement….Physical computing and Linux are super
important for our students!


BRAD DAVIS.

28th September 2023, 3:24 pm

Quite jovial, but I will still use my Pi 4 for the moment as I have no need for
a new one anytime soon.


JEFF BERNTSEN

28th September 2023, 3:32 pm

A couple of questions about the new power management system:
First, is there a connector or solder pads for an external power button? I could
see that being useful for third-party cases. Second, will it support wake-on-lan
via Ethernet?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 5:15 pm

Yes – there are two through-holes next to the power connector and RTC battery
connector.

For wake-on-LAN I think the answer is probably no – the hardware doesn’t make it
easy, and we probably won’t get around to fudging it using RP1 software.


SOLAR3000

28th September 2023, 3:36 pm

excellent
of course, we’ll have to fight our way thru the horde of geeks to get one.
what will I do with the 300 pis I already have….


MEOW

28th September 2023, 3:36 pm

Are you considering swapping hdmi for displayport?


MASAFUMI OHTA

28th September 2023, 3:49 pm

Congrats, happy launch to the team! Can’t wait the launch in Japan passing
Giteki certification!
And hope to see Eben and Liz in Japan soon.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 3:50 pm

You too, Masa! Giteki marks coming to a very small computer near you real soon
now.


ABU ABDULLA

28th September 2023, 4:09 pm

Any details on the ISP part, is there any updates on the codec e.g. h265, speed
… etc


JAMES HUGHES

28th September 2023, 4:44 pm

ISP is about 3-4 times faster than previous models. No HW encoders – H264 is
done in software, and gives 1080p60 at much higher quality than the previous HW
encoder. No HEVC HW encoder.


ABU ABDULLA

28th September 2023, 5:16 pm

thank you for the response, no hw encoder means a bigger latency ?
I was hoping to be honest for a better encoders and latency improvement


JON

28th September 2023, 4:11 pm

Where’s The SD Card Slot?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 4:12 pm

Underneath!


ANDREW WAITE

28th September 2023, 4:15 pm

A new Raspberry Pi 5 🎉
Great to see the Pi now as a fan header, on/off switch and a case fan.
Disappointing to see the microHDMI ports though. Maybe the RPi500 will have full
size HDMI ports?


HORACE

28th September 2023, 4:22 pm

wow! awesome! exactly what i wished for. :)

i am looking forward to see what kind of pci-e hats will come out (except for
the already announced ones).


HORACE

28th September 2023, 4:47 pm

oh, and the possibility to connect two cameras is extremely useful for me too.
:)


ROY CHAU

28th September 2023, 4:27 pm

Good to hear Raspi 5 is coming!! Thanks Team.
By the way, will SATA HAT also be available? Thanks


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 5:26 pm

It’s unlikely that we would make one, but nothing to stop a third party taking
advantage of the demand.


LORENZO

28th September 2023, 4:29 pm

I’m very happy to see the RPI5… and I’ve already preordered mine. However, I’m
also a bit disappointed:
This is what I was expecting and I didn’t get:
– USB-C instead of the horrible microHDMI (or rather a single full size HDMI)
– At least one USB-C 3.0 port
– At least one Qwiic/STEMMA QT connector
– Color-coded 40-pin header
– An RP2040 MCU included in the SoC

What I’m curious to see in action:
– The cryptography extensions of the A76 MPU
– The PIO capabilities of the RP1 I/O controller


TAYLOR

28th September 2023, 6:33 pm

Genuine question, but why would the Pi need another Pi(co) on board? It already
has 40 pins of GPIO like the Pico

(yes, for any pedants I am aware 2040 =/= Pico)


JOSHKA

29th September 2023, 12:43 am

PIO basically adds extra protocols that aren’t already there. E.g. the Pi has 6
UARTs (bidirectional), but 28 pins – PIO means potentially an extra 14 pins of
UART (whichever direction) without having to dedicate a CPU to bit bang those
extra pins (i.e. your app just writes to a memory address).

Same thing applies for I2C / SPI / whatever protocol you want more of. PIO is a
game changer!


LORENZO

30th September 2023, 9:57 am

Having a real MCU on the same SoC would incredibly expand the capabilities of
the Raspberry Pi. You would then have the full power of the A76 MPU for the high
level OS and the raw power of the MCU for real-time tasks. This is a setup
increasingly seen on industry-level SoC and having it on a RPi would have been
incredible.


EDUARD

28th September 2023, 6:33 pm

I totally agree. There are a usb-c controllers with VESA amb power outage


GRAY

29th September 2023, 8:01 am

– USB-C instead of the horrible microHDMI (or rather a single full size HDMI)
Dual monitor support > specific choice of connector!
– At least one USB-C 3.0 port
Again,. this is an issue of form factor. I don’t think it’s really that big a
deal, USB-A to C cables cost no more than a good quality USB-C to C cable.
– At least one Qwiic/STEMMA QT connector
This seems like the kind of thing a HAT is suited for. *Checks* And yes,
Sparkfun already make that!
– Color-coded 40-pin header
Oooh, this one I can’t disagree with you on, that is a neat idea. Probably
expensive though.
– An RP2040 MCU included in the SoC / The PIO capabilities of the RP1 I/O
controller
Isn’t this kind of the RP1’s PIO stuff you mention you’re excited about? If not,
hat!
– The cryptography extensions of the A76 MPU
This! So much this! I’m super excited to try it on the Pi 5, and another reason
I’m really hoping that CM5 will finally give us an ATX-friendly ARM64 board I
can stick in all my PC and Server boxes. Fast LUKS encryption will make desktop
use viable for me, as well as significantly improve TLS performance when hosting
services on Pi.

Super excited for the Pi 5 to drop so I can get playing around with this stuff,
even if it’s not in the ideal form factor for me. :)


LORENZO

30th September 2023, 9:50 am

> Dual monitor support > specific choice of connector!
I totally disagree. Everything is better that the horrible, horrible micro-HDMI.
That was by far the most common complaint of RPi4 and it’s incredible that they
persisted with this really bad choice…

>Again,. this is an issue of form factor. I don’t think it’s
>really that big a deal, USB-A to C cables cost no more
>than a good quality USB-C to C cable.
It’s definitely not an issue of form factor, but of capabilities. A fully
compliant USB-C port can be role switched and become a USB gadget.

>– At least one Qwiic/STEMMA QT connector
>This seems like the kind of thing a HAT is suited for.
Having a connector on board costs next to nothing and spares the huge
inconvenience of a HAT (and would fit in a standard case). The Arduino R4 WiFi
has finally got one such connector on board.

– An RP2040 MCU included in the SoC
RP1 has just some limited PIO capabilities. And it would have been nice to have
a full and programmable MCU integrated in the SoC.


PICOBUSTER

1st October 2023, 9:35 am

https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/#comment-1594112


AT

28th September 2023, 4:35 pm

Great to see the announcement! I’m interested in the boost to crypto
performance. Might this allow for Raspberry Pi OS to be installed with full disk
encryption as standard?


GEOFF MEAD

28th September 2023, 4:42 pm

I’ve only just finally got my Raspberry Pi 4B and you go and do this to me!


HARRY HARDJONO

28th September 2023, 9:33 pm

I guess I just barely dodged the bullet. I’ve been wanting an 8GB Pi, and Pi4 is
available! I almost bought one, but then the announcement came just before I go
to sleep…
I can wait a little bit longer! 😀🎉


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:21 am

One of the reasons we pre-announced! Nice dodge Neo


JOE BRAMPTON

28th September 2023, 4:52 pm

Crippled by gigabit, in 2023.. Extremely disappointing.. I was holding out
expecting at least 2.5G if not 10G

Congrats, I guess, I’ll be waiting for 2.5G though or better


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 5:37 pm

Look at you, you big power user. I’ve honestly never thought “this gigabit
Ethernet is so slow”.


IAN SMITH

28th September 2023, 6:23 pm

If your workload requires Ethernet throughput above 120MB/s, why are you still
using a Pi? Do you how much heat 10Gb ethernet creates? Trying to put 10Gb
Ethernet on a Pi sounds ridiculous. Go buy a proper server.
Why not use a USB3 to 2.5Gb Ethernet adapter if you need it?


MAREKM

30th September 2023, 10:39 pm

Sure 10GbE over twisted-pair (RJ45, cat6/7) is power-hungry as hell, but SFP+ is
not that bad – with freedom to choose any kind of module, fiber or copper DAC.


UKSCONE

28th September 2023, 4:56 pm

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence but it’s been 4229 days since the original Pi
was released on February 29th 2012.

if you add all the digits together it totals 17. if you add 5 (pi5) to it you
get 22 which if you divide by the number of raspberry pi model classes which is
7 you get 3.142 which is as near as damn it Pi for most purposes. Also
4229 is a prime number.


JAROM HATCH

28th September 2023, 6:17 pm

Apophenia at its finest. :)


UKSCONE

28th September 2023, 5:00 pm

Until Christmas ALL Pi5’s are for individual sales. Industry won’t get their
hands on them until the new year. Eben mentions this in the blog post


UKSCONE

28th September 2023, 5:20 pm

Most (All?) Authorised Resellers seem to have stock of Pi4s and getting topped
up regularly for at least a couple of months and I don’t think 10/order which
Pimoroni (& other AR i’ve checked )have atm is much of a restriction


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

28th September 2023, 5:28 pm

Unless you have a tip-off about a forthcoming pandemic/supply-chain-collapse I
think you are being unnecessarily pessimistic about the future supply of Pi 5s.


GIOVANNI RITO RUSSO

28th September 2023, 5:28 pm

Will Raspberry Pi TV HAT work on raspberry pi5?


UK RASPI FAN

28th September 2023, 5:38 pm

Why are prices on this site always quoted in US $ ? This is a British product,
designed here, made here, and all prices should be listed in GBP £! I could
understand them being in Euros when we were still part of Europe but not US $.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

28th September 2023, 5:55 pm

Ha – we’ve been asked this question since 2011.

We buy components which are priced in dollars. The price of the Raspberry Pi is
dictated by the cost of the bill of materials. If we were to price in pounds,
we’d be changing the price to reflect currency fluctuations: if we price in
dollars, we’re able to keep the price level.


JOHN

24th October 2023, 5:48 am

Hi, What is the list price for Euros, i see 110, which is far more expensive
than 80 USD/GBP
https://www.electronic-shop.lu/product/193013


RASPBERRY PI STAFF HELEN LYNN

24th October 2023, 11:16 am

The prices of $60 and $80 US for the 4GB and 8GB variants respectively do not
include local sales taxes or shipping. A reasonable amount of rounding is also
permitted.


JOHN

29th October 2023, 2:05 pm

Yes, USD 80 + tax is approximately GBP 80, EUR 90.
Is there a list price for EUR? Because it could not be 110!
Digikey price imported from America with tax and shipping is only 75 EUR, but
they are also out of stock.


RCLARK

28th September 2023, 6:26 pm

Looks like a nice upgrade. As I run most all of my RPIs headless, the RPI-4
meets most of my needs. However with fully powered and top bandwidth USB 3.0
ports on the RPI 5, I may try this again as a simple file server for example
without having to use a powered hub. Interesting to see if it will handle a USB
3.0 OS SSD drive, and a bigger data drive (say a portable HDD) at the same time!
Looking forward to getting my hands on a board!
Only downside for the board is the power and active cooling which makes it not
as useful for embedded applications. This (to me) moves the board more in the
desktop usage direction, although high power robotics projects may benefit from
additional processing capability.


ANDERS

28th September 2023, 7:45 pm

I believe that for similar workloads as those that are currently handled by the
Pi4, the 5 doesn’t require any more cooling than the 4 does. Or possibly even
less.
The extra cooling is for the extra power.


SYNACK NET

28th September 2023, 7:51 pm

I second that cooling will only be needed if more power is applied like anything
else


RCLARK

28th September 2023, 8:46 pm

I thought I read the idle amps was higher than the RPI-4?


RCLARK

28th September 2023, 9:30 pm

To that end, I wonder if ‘under clocking’ is available to help with heat when?


MISKKIE

28th September 2023, 6:45 pm

HEVC and pci-e/m.2. This is fantastic, all I wished for. tytytyty


JARED

28th September 2023, 6:54 pm

Will there be an easy way to do M2+PoE? I know that would help me a ton :)


AV1 ENJOYER

28th September 2023, 7:04 pm

Still no AV1? Disappointed.


AND

28th September 2023, 7:22 pm

Congratulations on this interesting new product!
Thanks.


FRED SMITH

28th September 2023, 7:25 pm

I’m using a Pi4 as a “network bridge”, and while it works fine, the network
(WIFI) thruput isn’t as good as I had hoped. So, I’m wondering two things:
1. would a Pi5start (and run correctly with access to the new features) if I
took the SD card from a PI4 and stuck it into the Pi5?
2. it sounds as if USB and networking are still faster on the Pi5. since my
current application depends on good fast access to WIFI, would it be expected to
see any performance improvement?
oh, and 3: any suggestions on how I can convince my accountant (spouse) that I
REALLY, REALLY NEED a new Pi5 ? :)


BLUEBERRY TART

28th September 2023, 7:40 pm

I’d pay extra for a 16GB model. I’m also wondering how much engineering is
required to build an same size RPi with expandable RAM.


JOHN LYTLE

28th September 2023, 7:44 pm

It would be nice to have a terminal block to hook up 12/24VDC.
Wall worts are a waste!
Especially if you’re using the Pi for 3D printing where you have lots of Watts.


ADAM V. STEELE

28th September 2023, 8:03 pm

What steps, if any, are being taken to ensure ample supply in the few years
after launch?

My company (a small business making scientific instruments) invested some
significant time verifying compatibility of the 4B with our hardware. Then, when
I was ready to move to production I could not buy 4B’s (8 GB esp) anywhere.

I cannot invest in this platform if the hardware is not going to be readily
available.


ANTHONY R. KING

28th September 2023, 8:11 pm

How sweet of you to reserve the first batches for individual purchasers. I wish
you every success with matching demand. Do you have any possibilities for
increased production should there be sufficient demand?


ANDERS

28th September 2023, 8:20 pm

Very nice! I hope the WiFi is faster than 100/100 mbit this time. Shame there
was no AX, but faster than 100/100 on the wifi and im glad :)


BRYANT

28th September 2023, 8:26 pm

Will it still be based off of LXDE and will other Pis be able to update too?


BERTO, UN HUARGO

28th September 2023, 8:26 pm

Goodness, wow. I had been checking the front page daily for news of RPiOS
Bookworm, with all the efficiencies it’d bring to the Pi 4 family. I wasn’t
expecting the rest of this news to fall.out too, hah!

Congrats on the upcoming Pi 5 launch! Not much longer to go, now!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:35 am

SURPRISE!


CADFLUX

28th September 2023, 8:28 pm

Tempting! 4 years after Raspberry Pi 4, Raspberry Pi 5 is here! Most exciting
part for me is that it has better graphics hardware. We were able to run CADFlux
on R Pi 4 and I am curious to see how it performs on R Pi 5.

@CADFlux is an unique solution who wants to bring 3D visualization to embedded
devices built with R Pi.


MARTIN

28th September 2023, 8:29 pm

Hi,
It is great to see big improvements. Thank you a lot.
My question is do you plan CM5, and will be compatibility with the older version
CM4 – just a simple replacement in current applications?
Thank you for answer


PAUL

28th September 2023, 8:54 pm

I love some of the comeback comments on here by the Raspberry Pi staff, it’s
made me want to read through them all and laugh at some of the ignorant,
self-entitled angry comments and the brilliantly blunt replies. Makes a
refreshing change from organisations having to just take whatever these people
say and give polite responses. This is a great product announcement and I’ve
already pre-ordered and can’t wait to tinker with the new RPi5. :)


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 9:30 pm

Glad you’re into it Paul jeeeeez. *Rolls up sleeves to put another shift in*

PS: tag us on your social platform of choice when you get your board and tell us
whatcha makin


DIO

28th September 2023, 8:57 pm

Still no onboard storage?
So, to get the PI5 (i bet it will be overpriced) running ok, you need to spent
more money on a hat and the in a ssd, is that right?
And still two useless micro hdmi ports that break at minimum effort?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:27 am

If you were able to read the post you’re commenting on, you’d notice that the
price is announced in the second sentence and that the active cooler designed
for this board costs $5.


DIO

29th September 2023, 8:23 pm

Thank you for your answer Ashley.
Yes, i did read all… but you mean like the price for RPI 4+, that it still can
be found at +€100?
One thing is what is recomended, the other the retail price, last RPI 4+ I
bought was €80 for the board only!
And i did not mention the active cooler, but if you mention it, in my opinion,
should not be even an option.
And don’t forget the power supply.
Low number, at least €100 to get a RPI 5, for that price you can almost but a
x86 box with 4Gb Ram and 64Gb storage.
I am sad, i have at least 40 RPI 4+ running and I will not upgrade them to
another RPI.


ROBERT WHITE

29th September 2023, 9:14 pm

On board storage hasn’t any benefit. It would make the board more expensive and
with shorter lifespan because NAND wear down with the use.


DIO

29th September 2023, 9:40 pm

Come on… How many years are needed to kill a NAND flash in regular use?
I lost count of the money I spent in dead sdcards in my +40 RPI4+ instalattion…
got a cheap Windows box with NAND that is running nostop for more than 6 years..
Like they say in my country…
RPI5: A montanha pariu um rato.


ROBERT WHITE

30th September 2023, 4:50 am

long before dead NAND worn and become slower and less reliable. And isn’t
difficult to wear them down. If you use it in cases with low write operation is
more unlikely but it is still a problem and there isn’t any vantage to have it
soldered on board rather than easily swappable as an SD card.


REZ

28th September 2023, 9:00 pm

Now that there is a power button (finally!!!), how would that work for
applications where it should boot on startup? Is there a jumper or something
that bypasses the power button and allows the Pi to start up immediately on
power up?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

30th September 2023, 8:46 am

At power up it always just powers up the same as every previous Raspberry Pi.
Once powered up and running Linux it appears to the operating system as a normal
key providing the KEY_POWER scan code. /etc/systemctl/logind.conf can be used to
define what happens ‘automatically’ and on the lite image it’ll say just shut
down (i.e. one click to immediately shut down). On the desktop image, the
keystroke is captured by the shutdown dialog, it gets displayed on the first
click and if you click again will shutdown.


STEFAN SICKLINGER

1st January 2024, 3:26 pm

Hi Gordon,
I cannot confirm than. When I power up the PI5 through the 5V GPIO interface the
power led is going red first. I need to press the power button in order to be
able to boot. This is a major problem for headless use cases. I am wondering if
there is any undocumented eeprom config to deactivate the power button on the
raspi 5 completely? It seem to the be the often mentioned issue you with
insufficient current through the usb usb_max_current_enable=1.
Best Stefan


JORDAN

28th September 2023, 9:05 pm

How can I pre order one? I can’t find the location on the website


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:24 am

Eben explains in the blog that magazine subscribers get a Priority Boarding
pass. Your local Approved Reseller may also be offering a reservation service,
so check in with them.


ALAN

29th September 2023, 7:44 pm

Farnell are taking pre-order.
https://uk.farnell.com/


MW

28th September 2023, 9:33 pm

RPi Zero 2W is now becoming available , does this not fit the hobbyist ethos ?


DMITRY

28th September 2023, 9:35 pm

Congratulations to the development team! From Russia with love❤️


TOM WALKER

28th September 2023, 9:38 pm

As soon as I saw this, I knew that i needed to pre-order it and, as of writing
this, the Pi 5 is still available!


MICHA

28th September 2023, 10:43 pm

Can the PCIe connection be driven as PCIe endpoint? So that the R-Pi could act
as PCIe card in a PC.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

29th September 2023, 9:04 am

No.


ALAN

28th September 2023, 11:24 pm

I have been a hobbyist starting in 1981 first with the Sinclair ZX81 and then
with the BBC Micro, the foundation of ARM and Risc OS.
The raspberry pi from the start has been using ARM Designed Chips and I use Risc
OS, is the best thing that has happened in this respect for the budding
engineers and hobbyist, having connect ability for Risc OS and RPi OS (Linux).
I think what the Raspberry Pi foundation has done to promote the training for
new engineers and the hobbyist is fantastic, just like the BBC Micro did all
those years ago.
Keep going, look forward to the raspberry Pi 6


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:15 am

Thanks Alan!


ALEX

28th September 2023, 11:55 pm

Nice ! Great news and great work.
The blower looks good, hopefully can keep them cooler for those of us in hotter
climates.
Looking forward to running K3s on them and sdr.
Will there be a rpi500 ? My daughter loves her rpi400 , though I do wish
Australian public schools would teach with and use rpi’s.
Keep up the great work!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

30th September 2023, 8:47 am

I’d suggest you search the comments above for ‘500’ to find a suitable response…
There are quite a few you skipped over…


GEORGE

28th September 2023, 11:57 pm

Congratulations on the new addition to the fam-Pi-ly! My hope is to be able to
give it a whirl sometime next year and possibly replace a rather special Pi4. I
can attest to how invaluable it has been with said unit: My partner is a K-2
Special Ed educator. When it became apparent that the pandemic would stick
around for more than a few weeks, she needed her own computer almost straight
away; one that could readily be tailored to her specific needs quickly, and at a
very low cost. I was able to source a Pi4 kit in short order, and she’s been
using it since. So ok, it’s running on pure Ubuntu with the MATE Desktop, but
that’s because the visual elements of the MATE GUI are a better fit for the
aforementioned needs (Raspberry Pi folks, please contact me if you want to
discuss that). I think she’s going to love a snazzy upgrade to her trusty Pi.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:14 am

A Pi 400 sounds like a good idea for your partner, George. Also, if you pre
order now, you’ll get a Pi 5 THIS year!


RON

29th September 2023, 12:00 am

Was hoping the next new product would be an improved PI 400 with audio jack. Oh
well, can’t have everything.


GEOFF MOYER

29th September 2023, 12:20 am

The rPi5 and RP1 look great. Where do I find the pin out and mechanical specs
for the PCIE connection?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:13 am

Do the mechanical drawings help?
https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/rpi5/raspberry-pi-5-mechanical-drawing.pdf


R SHORT

29th September 2023, 12:22 am

Thank you, thank you, thank you … : )


CHRIS AINSLEY

29th September 2023, 12:47 am

Congratulations on the Pi 5 launch, Eben had me going when he said no new Pi’s
in 2023!
Anyway, a question, what hardware decode codecs are supported in the new GPU
beyond HEVC. Is there VP8/VP9/AV1 for example? YouTube seems to always pick VP9
for 60fps videos, and this led to poor performance on high frame rate 1080P
videos on Pi 4.


DAVID

29th September 2023, 1:19 am

Sorry, multiple posts. Please delete one at your convenience…


VERCTE

29th September 2023, 2:05 am

Could there be a chance for 16GB RAM in the future for bulkier projects? 👀


DANIEL POWELL

29th September 2023, 2:26 am

When is there going to be a pi 3 zero w???


MW

29th September 2023, 12:23 pm

No relevance to RPi 5, but check out RPi Zero2W. Specs..


HARRISON

29th September 2023, 2:56 am

Congratulations! I like the more flexible MIPI setup, and I can’t wait to see
what people get up to with the PCIe lane.

And thank you for reserving the initial stock of Pi 5s for individual buyers. I
understand the reasons for prioritising commercial Pi 4 buyers during the chip
shortage and was never really upset by Pi unavailability, but it’s still a nice
gesture.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:08 am

THANKS Harrison. It is a dream to be out the other end of the chip shortage
(especially as a comment moderator, BELIEVE me)


JOHN

29th September 2023, 2:59 am

Hope a rpi500 with 8gb is coming as well 😀


MW

29th September 2023, 7:21 am

How does this relate to the RPi 5 release announcement ?


ANDERS

29th September 2023, 7:30 am

The Rpi5 is a new product from Raspberry Pi. A Pi 500 would also be a new
product for which some people are keen to express interest.

Hope this helps.


MW

29th September 2023, 12:27 pm

Wrong place to ask, no relevance to this Blog.


JOHN

29th September 2023, 2:52 pm

How about the fact that pi400 is basically a pi4 packaged as a keyboard?

Seems logic to ask about this in a pi5 blog…

Also… if you don’t have anything to say that is relevant to my comment (except
criticizing it), then please don’t say anything at all!


ANDERS

30th September 2023, 4:41 pm

There’s always one who thinks they get to write the rules.


DEJUN YUAN

29th September 2023, 3:17 am

Nice job! :+1:


OLIVER

29th September 2023, 3:20 am

“we’re going to ringfence all of the Raspberry Pi 5s we sell until at least the
end of the year for single-unit sales to individuals, so you get the first bite
of the cherry.”

So what happens after the end of the year? Businesses rolling in again after
initial bugs gets ironed out by the community? Pardon my cynicsism, but after
the last three years I do think one should ask after reading this.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:07 am

So glad we made that decision. KNEW everyone would be super happy about it.


OLIVER

29th September 2023, 9:29 am

I’m sorry, please excuse me if I didn’t express myself sufficiently. I’m not
questioning the decision, finally getting back machines into ordinary joes’
hands is great. I’m rather concerned with the wording of the timeframe.


ROBERT WHITE

29th September 2023, 9:58 pm

Your guess about the limited time protections of private users by massive orders
of business activities, is correct but I don’t think companies will hurry to get
massive quantities of Raspberry Pi 5 after the end of year. Companies likely
will need much more time to migrate (assuming they decide to do so, to be fair
don’t seems much the situations where Pi5 is strictly needed to do things that
cannot be done also by Pi4, and for those Pi 4 wasn’t enough likely would need
something more powerful than Pi 5 too).


MARIO

29th September 2023, 3:57 am

Was so hoping RPi 5 would come with M.2 connector underneath the PCB supporting
2280 form factor SSDs. Not really a fan of adapters and extra cables. Now that
audio jack is gone are there any pins that we can natively get audio signal
from?


MW

29th September 2023, 12:28 pm

I2s is available on GPIO


WILL

9th October 2023, 6:35 am

I agree so much, Mario. I’ve been using cm4s with the mini base board A by
waveshare. The performance increase is truly incredible. I use all my pi’s
headless. I/O is much more important to me than video capabilities. I had also
hoped the Pi could work with higher voltages via usb c pd3.1. In particular, I’d
love to be able to request 24v from usb c pd epr avs via software and make that
available elsewhere. I understand that pi 5 is targeting people who use it as a
low cost desktop, but having usb c ports to shrink the profile would be really
nice to help shrink the profile and make the pi more flexible.
Hopefully there’s a cm5 in the near future!


(´・Ω・｀)

29th September 2023, 4:06 am

ｷﾀ━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━!!


ERIC NJU

29th September 2023, 4:07 am

Excellent and nice job.
Where can I place my pre-order?


MW

29th September 2023, 5:37 am

You need to find an Official Reseller who offers pre-ordering and can ship to
wherever you reside !


THOMAS

29th September 2023, 4:37 am

This is awesome. Can you make a “Pecan” Pi for us “Southern Folks”?


CHRISTOPHER HUTCHINSON

29th September 2023, 5:12 am

Thanks for yet another great update; happy to see the improvements across the
board.
I, for one, will continue to opt for the Raspberry Pi as the platform of choice
for development projects.
I am a little disappointed however on a few minor points, for which I would have
gladly forgone any performance increases:
* No “true” type-C ports with ALT mode for video output… I was really hoping the
Pi 5 could be docked using a single cable, which would greatly improve cable
management and thus mitigate physical deployment issues. (As featured on many of
the Chinese knock-off Pi boards, and the x86 based SBCs such as the LattePanda
2nd and 3rd generation boards).
* although it might be too early to say this: increased power consumption. The
ability to run a RPI off a run-of-the-mill powerbank has always been one of my
primary concerns. 5V @ 3A already limited the RPi to more modern power banks,
which is unfortunate but acceptable. 5V @ 4A or 5A, however, is a step too far
for low budget (3rd world country) projects. I do realise that it can still be
used with a 5V @ 3A power source and that the USB output voltage can be tweaked
to still allow for a low power USB SSD to be connected. As I said, perhaps too
early to say.

My dream Pi is one that can be docked using a single cable (when using a single
display) as well as never needing a power supply greater than 5V @ 3A (which
seems to be the case, so fair enough on that one).

Not to be negative of course, it’s a great upgrade and I look forward to porting
my projects over to it, promoting to everyone etc. Thanks for all the hard work
and providing us all with such a great platform.


MEORBU

29th September 2023, 5:28 am

It is OK to remove analog video.
But I think you should not remove analog audio.


MW

29th September 2023, 5:44 am

Video Out is still present on the board, you will need to solder wires to the
pads. A USB Sound Card is only a few $


RASTO M.

29th September 2023, 6:42 am

It looks perfect. I hope that the Pi500 will also be on the plan. If the M.2
connector is included, it would push the Pi500 to a significantly higher level.


MW

29th September 2023, 12:29 pm

Unrelated to RPi 5, jeez..


PICOBUSTER

1st October 2023, 9:50 am

Invocation of your god “jeez” also unrelated, I guess…


ANDERS

29th September 2023, 7:27 am

What is your impediment that is preventing you from buying one? Have you become
stuck in time at the beginning of the year?


CRYO

29th September 2023, 7:53 am

Remember when Pis were affordable and made for hobbiests? Can’t wait to see what
some startup is doing with the new tech as I press my nose against the window.
If we are good little boys and girls they might give us a few pi 4 crumbs before
ford or someone hoovers them up. Can’t tell ya how many projects I’ve had to
shelve just bc you can’t get a pi


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:04 am

June 2023 called…


BLAZ

29th September 2023, 8:16 am

Wow, I literally cannot wait for the RPI 500 (or whatever the
keyboard-integrated form of RPI 5 will be called)!

I hope “RPI 500” gets on-PCB NVME slot, RTC battery holder (for CR2032, like PC
motherboards) and dedicated power/reset buttons, making it a real desktop
replacement like mentioned in the introduction).


MW

29th September 2023, 12:31 pm

Wrong place to air your mythical dreaming, try using a Crystal Ball ?


JUSSI

29th September 2023, 8:21 am

Bah, why announce something that isn’t available, don’t be like the big players,
be better.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:41 am

So that makers can pre order the ring fenced boards and ensure they’re shipped
to first. Also to deter people who were thinking of spending money on a Pi 4 and
may now want to just wait.


JOHN RIGGS

29th September 2023, 8:26 am

Dangit. I Just bought a Rpi 4 a few weeks ago!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

29th September 2023, 8:26 am

Why do you think you won’t be able to buy it? You clearly didn’t read the blog
because Eben explains how this product is ring fenced for hobbyists. Also,
you’re replying to a post on Raspberry Pi Ltd, we are not the Raspberry Pi
Foundation.


MW

29th September 2023, 8:27 am

Please would people post relevant posts to the RPi 5, I did not come here for a
RPi 500 / CM5 feature request.


B54

30th September 2023, 1:27 am

I’m exited for a 500 too!


ALOK

29th September 2023, 8:29 am

Where i can get the PCIe PINOUT available in RPI
Does it have B5/B6 ( SMBUS Lines)?


CHRIS LEVER

29th September 2023, 8:54 am

Will I be able to run the 2019 (OpenAI) GPT-2 on the Raspberry 5?


BETA-TESTER

29th September 2023, 10:30 am

thank you for all the RTC, power-on/-off, the PCIe connector, the fan connector,
USB-C power supply in upright orientation (hope the EU socket pins will be in an
ideal orientation as well), … all things i was waiting for a very very long
time. shame that it took that long time to address this. fortunately, Eben
Upton’s “false” statement that an RPi5 is not expected before mid/late 2024 did
not persuade me to buy an old RPi4.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

29th September 2023, 3:39 pm

Some things that we didn’t think were going to happen this year happened, and
some things we thought were going to happen, didn’t. So, Raspberry Pi 5 happened
this year. Nothing nefarious about it.


NIKHIL DABAS

29th September 2023, 11:17 am

Great stuff, love the on-board RTC and the debug connector which looks like
it’ll work with the RPi Debug Probe.

It would have been great if the USB-C input was able to _accept_ 9V/3A, so we
could use any standard USB-PD supply. As far as I can tell the 5V/5A is a
non-standard power profile/source power rule.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

29th September 2023, 3:33 pm

It’s not non-standard. It’s not commonly implemented, but it’s a perfectly legal
thing to do under the USB-PD standard. There are some other supplies out there
that will also supply 5A at +5V, the RAXDA 30W supply for instance also
implements this mode.

That said, a lot of things people call power supplies aren’t power supplies,
they’re chargers. The design goals between the two are really different.
Supplies provide constant voltage, in the face of rapidly changing current
demands, while chargers are designed the opposite way around. To supply constant
current.


NIKHIL DABAS

30th September 2023, 6:09 pm

Okay, I had to go look up “USB_PD_R3_1 V1.8 2023-04.pdf” and read section 10 to
verify that 5V@5A is indeed a supported power rule in USB-PD. Just not commonly
implemented like you said.


JD

29th September 2023, 12:44 pm

Would like to see an updated version of the Pi 400 with 8/16GB of RAM, 3.5mm
audio jack, full size HDMI connectors, and this new Pi5 hardware. It would be
amazing.


SHERMANNATRIX

29th September 2023, 1:28 pm

Me too JD! Man, having the 16GB variation would be awesome!!!


MW

29th September 2023, 1:59 pm

Not related to the RPi 5 Blog, yet again wishful imagination.


BJOERN ZEEB

29th September 2023, 12:47 pm

Will you start to natively support UEFI+ACPI firmware for the RPI5 as previously
provided by the pftf project?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

29th September 2023, 2:58 pm

Already discussed above.


GARRY HAYNE

29th September 2023, 1:04 pm

Congratulations to the team! M.2 is a game changer for me.
Pre-ordered (I managed to order in time to be included in the first batch
shipping).


SHERMANNATRIX

29th September 2023, 1:27 pm

Really excited to see the next generation coming out! One thought, for the next
generation of Pi 500 (you know…cus’ you called it Pi 400 previously), can we at
least have the option to choose between the 4GB and 8GB variations?
In my current situation right now, because I don’t have access to a proper
working laptop, I had to turn my Pi 400 into a makeshift “laptop” on-the-go.
Just lookie-look here –
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-7113423148498227200-4lOE?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
I kinda wished I had more RAM so that I could do more while on-the-go.


MW

29th September 2023, 6:30 pm

More off topic rubbish, nothing to do with the RPi 5, which this Blog is about


ALI

29th September 2023, 2:43 pm

As a Raspberry Pi user familiar with SBC world and various SBC boards, I see
here a RPi4 with added PCIe port (Very useful!), higher processing power ( Not a
surprising improvement!), changed architecture (RP1 chip responsible for I/O),
and some other features.

Congradulation to RPi team for developing new board, But, I don’t think RPi 5
will have the success of RPi 4 in market.


W. H. HEYDT

30th September 2023, 5:26 am

Maybe…maybe not. But it *will* be a roaring success in the Pi5 market. Dr. Upton
has, on occasion, remarked that the one failure was the original Model A. It
sold “only” 100K units. From any other SBC maker (at least at that time),
that’d’ve been a great success.


LARRY

29th September 2023, 3:02 pm

Lots of people have complained about price of RPi 4 and 5. They compare to $25
price of RPi in 2012. If you consider 4% inflation for 12 years that $25 becomes
$40. So $60 for RPi 5 with more memory and a lot more power and functionality is
very reasonable, actually a steal.


ROBERT WHITE

29th September 2023, 9:36 pm

In the world of technology the norm has always been to “provide much more power
for the same price and the same power for much less price”. This rule always
resisted to inflation very well, and thanks to this rule you can buy technology
million of times more powerful than 40 years ago without spending millions of
dollars. Unfortunately recently things have changed.


TOBY GREEN

29th September 2023, 3:13 pm

Will exfat be supported for SD cards yet?


NIKLAS SCHNELLE

29th September 2023, 3:22 pm

I’m wondering if the active cooler will be compatible with the M.2 HAT and if
not if the M.2 HAT will be compatible with the case? It seems that for 24/7
operation an NVMe in the HAT should be much more relaible than a MicroSD and
would alleviate the need for an external USB SSD.


IVAN

29th September 2023, 3:46 pm

Thank you so much Raspberry team to make this release happen! Having a lab of
150 Pi 4b with a lot of USB accessories as well other heavy loads on Pi board,
so seeing and feeling pain of pi 4 drawbacks daily. Cannot even stress out how
important it is to see PR1 especially USB part. Not really much care that you
went for 16nm, because performance improvements are amazing at a very good
price. So much other cools staff, like even a reset button is a great to have in
large labs.
Congratulations and keep it up!


CHRISTOPHE

29th September 2023, 4:33 pm

Will we see OpenCL on the Pi 5 Gpu ? I have been waiting for it on Pi 4, but it
never happenned… :( The day we have CM5 + OpenCL, I’ll start using Pi’s for
serious business, not just for fun :)


OLIVERKRYSTAL

29th September 2023, 4:59 pm

So does this properly support USB spec power? Does it make use of the ubs-c
higher power delivery options?


CRAIG DATERS

29th September 2023, 5:49 pm

I cannot wait for this, lol! …and the subsequent Pi500!


MW

29th September 2023, 7:09 pm

So you have confirmation from RPL there will be a RPi 500, or have you got a
crystal ball ??


STEVE TYLER

29th September 2023, 6:01 pm

Always happy to see another Pi release! I use Pi4 as NAS with SSD connected to
USB 3 port. I am curious to know if SSD speed will still be faster on USB 3 port
vs PCIe 1x?


TEE

29th September 2023, 6:58 pm

Darn. I need 16 GB of RAM minimum for running large docker containers. Perhaps
PI 6 will have option to add more RAM.


HECTOR GONZALEZ

29th September 2023, 7:12 pm

Would have been nice to have an 8 core CPU (BIG.little architecture ARMv9) and
16 gb of ram, but you nailed it with I/O


JIM STERLING

29th September 2023, 7:43 pm

Where is the ongoing commitment to hobbyists that we will actually be able to
order these? Ringfencing at the beginning of the lifecycle only serves as a
tease. We can get one and play with it but then future projects we get left
hanging again?


KAMIL

29th September 2023, 8:12 pm

When will RPI 500 be?


MW

30th September 2023, 3:12 am

RPL have never indicated this product will exist, so from where did you get that
information ? Where does anyone get this information. Wishful thinking ?


W. H. HEYDT

30th September 2023, 5:36 am

At least a couple of articles (I’ve read one and heard of another) have
indicated the possibility/probability of a CM5 and Pi500 next year. There appear
to be a few faint hints about a possible 16GB Pi5, as well.
With the announcement of the Pi5, it isn’t at all unexpected that people would
interested in expansion across all the major product lines.
Would I like to see a Pi500? Yes. Am I going to ask about it here or on the
forums? No. Is such a device a logical inference from the present B-format Pi5?
Yes.


MW

30th September 2023, 7:11 am

It clearly states that this is regards the RPi 5 Release , so questions regards
“imaginary” products have no place here as are totally irrelevant.


ANDERS

30th September 2023, 4:44 pm

Get a life, self appointed moderator.


HYPERBOLE

1st October 2023, 9:18 am

RPL do not release a publicly available road map of future products, so asking,
requesting, speculating appears to be pointless. Also feature requests need to
be made several years before products are launched, though RPL are more than
aware what is “feasible” regards costs and usefulness.


ERDNUSSIO

29th September 2023, 8:45 pm

Dear RPi-Team,
the upgrade is very appreciated :)

Does the PHY of the Pi 5 have a SYNC pin for PPS input/output and would this be
user-accessible, e.g. routed through the RP1 as an AF or something like that?


DAVE B

29th September 2023, 10:16 pm

It looks great. I’m curious, how good is the RTC? Can you name the chip or
manufacturer? Is there room to mount the RTC battery somewhere (I didn’t see any
pics of the backside… if I missed it its because I was too excited)? Also, two
cameras? Was that a big request from the community? It would be cool if you
could use one at double capture rate


W. H. HEYDT

30th September 2023, 5:30 am

Two cameras OR two displays Or one camera and one display. Both connectors work
with either.


ARDENCAPLE

2nd October 2023, 4:29 pm

The RTC is in the PMIC (the Dialog power control IC), and is in a separate
(very) low power domain, that can be run off a coin cell battery, which will be
available from your standard supplier. I used to work for Dialog and there was
never an issue with the RTC.


CHAMITH SIRIWARDENA

30th September 2023, 2:16 am

Thanks for the update on the upgrade :)
However, I believe there were a lot of expectations around having at least one
proper USB-C with DP in it.
One can argue it’s cheap to buy a USB-A to USB-C converter, but its not going to
give you that DP over USB-C.
Mini/Micro HDMI & DP are the things in the past and Cables / Adapters are not
found everywhere.
I still hope there’d be a revision with a proper USB-C :)
Thanks,
Chamith


G.BLEVINS

30th September 2023, 3:39 am

Can’t (but must) wait!


G.BLEVINS

30th September 2023, 3:49 am

Can’t (but must) wait.


PMPOPE

30th September 2023, 3:52 am

Congratulations on the pi5! I can’t wait to take it for a spin! Y’all are
awesome!


HYPERBOLE

30th September 2023, 4:13 am

Great we have a new Raspberry Pi SBC and reviews so far seem very positive,
Operating Systems have not been mentioned in any detail.

LibreElec will only support 64bit. OSMC which is based of Debian will in the
next release only support 64bit. Whereas an earlier comment above stated that
32bit Raspberry Pi OS will not be developed for the RPi 5.

It also seems likely that Wayland will be replacing X11, not just for the RPi5
but also the RPi 4B.

ARM64 Aarch64 software is certainly receiving a lot of development and going
forward ditching 32bit makes perfect sense.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

30th September 2023, 9:15 am

Unless you have a Pi 1, Pi 2, CM, or Pi Zero product in which case, ditching
32bit does not make ‘perfect sense’


HYPERBOLE

30th September 2023, 10:07 am

As I have posted in a RPi5 Blog I am surprised by this response.


ELPERDI

30th September 2023, 10:04 am

yes, everything is nice and new, but if it happens like rpi4 which will be
impossible to find and prices skyrocket, it’s of little use


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

30th September 2023, 4:10 pm

Despite your underlying assertion, our plan is not to spark a pandemic and cause
another global chip shortage. Fingers crossed.


JIM STERLING

1st October 2023, 4:06 pm

And what if industry demand increases beyond capacity again? That was the real
reason for the shortages. As per Uptom himself, it wasn’t a situation of
contraction but an inability to grow. An active decision to allocate to industry
first.

Where is the commitment to hobbyists, education and small business going
forward?


W. H. HEYDT

1st October 2023, 7:12 pm

First off…it will take a while for industrial demand to take off. Companies will
have to go through the whole R&D process before needing large quantities of
Pi5s. Second, with the chip shortage capacity gone–or, at least, going–it will
be possible to ramp up production. Doesn’t mean that can’t be temporary
inventory imbalances, but on the whole the supply situation should be pretty
decent.


JIM STERLING

1st October 2023, 9:44 pm

Wishful thinking is not a commitment or very encouraging.


W. H. HEYDT

30th September 2023, 6:16 pm

Early on, after the Pi4 was launched, they were readily available. The supply
shortage only started when chip supplies got short due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Since chip supplies have returned to something like normal, after the initial
surge of purchases passes, I can’t see that there is likely to be any difficulty
getting Pi5s.


JIM STERLING

1st October 2023, 3:59 pm

Incorrect. The rpi shortage only started when demand increased. Production never
significantly faltered. Upton has spoken to this at length.

It wasn’t a situation of contraction but rather inability to grow.


JAMES ADAMS

3rd October 2023, 10:31 pm

That’s not correct. We were constrained by silicon (and other) component
shortages just like many others. Component supply went down but demand went up.


PAUL

30th September 2023, 10:46 am

I’ve been a massive fan of RPi kit from day one and the new Pi5 is a welcome
addition, especially with in-house silicon. Will you be/are you investigating
RISC V for future products? Unsure what percentage ARM IP is but I know you guys
go a long way to save 0.001p on each device.


WOODRUFF

30th September 2023, 2:08 pm

Would you be providing a PCI-e card variant of the RP1 for peripheral
development?


ABBHAS

30th September 2023, 3:22 pm

Hope to buy offically in india !


NICHOLAS CRETS

30th September 2023, 4:50 pm

It’s finally here! I can’t wait! Only sad thing: i tought this was about to have
16GB RAM. But anyway, it’s super cool and i can’t wait to see the new OS


NAMETAG172

30th September 2023, 5:04 pm

I am absolutely excited for this new release! I can’t wait to get my hands on
one. The increased compute power and efficiency sounds promising!


STEWART

30th September 2023, 6:19 pm

Fascinating, just what I have been waiting for. Might need some help with coding
using the RTC. Presumably there will be examples fairly soon. I bet this would
be useful on the pi zero too. Thanks.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

1st October 2023, 9:27 am

The real time counter is handled completely automatically in the firmware at
boot time, it reads the counter and puts the time into the device-tree. The
Linux kernel then uses this value to set the time… So basically there’s nothing
to do. One thing about the Raspberry Pi and specifically my direction, is to
make sure that, if something can be done automatically with no user
intervention, then it should be.


BRANDON

30th September 2023, 6:38 pm

Is there going to be a Raspberry Pi 500? Like the Raspberry Pi 400 but with a
Raspberry Pi 5 inside instead of a Raspberry Pi 4.


HYPERBOLE

30th September 2023, 10:05 pm

The RPi 400 does not have a RPi 4B inside and therefore “IF” RPL develop an
updated model it would likely not have a RPi 5 inside.

By the way RPL have never released a publicly available road map of future
products so asking is quite pointless.


COLIN MACKENZIE

30th September 2023, 9:53 pm

Wow amazing news and the stats look incredible! can’t wait to check it out.


TERRY THOMAS

1st October 2023, 1:03 am

With 2 MIPI ports + 2 HDMI ports, does that mean Pi 5 could handle 4 displays?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

1st October 2023, 9:23 am

Actually, don’t tell Simon I told you but so far we’ve had 2xHDMI, 2xDSI and a
DPI display all working at the same time… Although there’s even the composite,
so maybe even six! Although that’s going to take up a lot of bandwidth!


VINCE

1st October 2023, 4:42 am

I read someplace that wpa_supplicant.conf is going to be replaced with Network
Manager in the new pi5-compatible os. How are you going to still support the
ability for us to drop a network configuration file into /boot in the image for
hands-off first booting up onto the network without keyboard or mouse or monitor
? That is a very important feature for those of us who frequently burn our
images to SD cards via things like BalenaEtcher on a mac…


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

1st October 2023, 9:21 am

You can do that using Raspberry Pi Imager still


JIM STERLING

1st October 2023, 4:10 pm

You missed the point. How do we do that without the rpi imager? Many workflows
do not allow the use of the rpi imager. How do we drop in wifi configuration
now?

This isn’t an attack on progress, but a desire to keep functionality in the new
system.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

1st October 2023, 4:43 pm

I’m moderating comments. You have a lot. You seem angry. I suggest a nice warm
bath.


JIM STERLING

1st October 2023, 9:48 pm

What is moderating worthy of pointing out their response missed the point?

Rpi imager doesn’t work for all workflows. Switching to network manager means
existing methods no longer work. How is this being addressed? How is this not a
valid concern?


VINCE

1st October 2023, 10:03 pm

Liz – I asked the original question FWIW re: wpa_supplicant. I completely agree
with Jim Sterling’s original response at 4:10pm, as my precise question was how
to do so without a pi at all. What I do procedurally is download the .img file,
mount the available /boot partition therein on my Mac Mini and drop ssh (to
enable it), userconf.txt (to reset the pi password) and wpa_supplicant.conf (to
configure wifi) so the current firstboot magic works. I can then use my modified
.img without any hands-on required. I’m asking how the new os will support
setting wifi up in my scenario.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

3rd October 2023, 12:54 pm

Jim,
At the moment the best method would be to use the systemd.run service in the
same way as Imager does. We are looking to implement cloud-init soon after the
release of the Bookworm image.


LVLIN

1st October 2023, 5:30 am

I like raspberry5.


RFC 420

1st October 2023, 12:06 pm

There ought to be an orphanage for Raspberry Pi4’s that are unloved now the
Penta-Pi is announced.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

1st October 2023, 4:56 pm

Honestly, I think they’ll be fine. I’ve got a bunch of older-generation
Raspberry Pis around the house doing useful things: they don’t stop being good
tools just because a shinier one’s been released.


W. H. HEYDT

1st October 2023, 7:23 pm

Yup… My alarm clocks–there are two, one for home and one for travel–are using
Pi2Bv1.2 boards. Pi5 isn’t going to change that.


RAJKAMAL

1st October 2023, 12:58 pm

Great to see Raspberry Pi 5 release. Looking forward to the M.2 standard to
attach NVMe SSDs. Wanted to move away from Micro SD which caused to me twice,
the entire data corrupt.


RCLARK

6th October 2023, 12:17 am

You can (as I do) just boot of an external USB 3.0 SSD. That is what I do for
24×7 RPI-4s. So far that has solved the problem of the temperamental SD card
usage. With the 5 I am hoping to have the option of ‘3’ drives attached (m.2,
and two USB 3.0 ports) and be able to boot from any of them. Cross fingers :) .


ALAIN KOVACS

1st October 2023, 1:43 pm

Thank you for this! It’s absolutely amazing what you’re doing + keeping the
prices low.


D

1st October 2023, 3:46 pm

Nice to see more USB power. This is gonna be a nice media/plex server.


DAVID

1st October 2023, 4:40 pm

Curious the PCB has the legend (c) Raspberry Pi 2022 between the USB ports.


HYPERBOLE

1st October 2023, 5:22 pm

Quite likely a pre-release Board, it actually takes many months or years to get
a product ready for prime time.


JEFF

1st October 2023, 5:28 pm

Any M.2 SSD 2230 or 2242 format will work inside the Raspberry PI case ? Or the
SSD PCI-E interfaces need to be PCI-E 2 only ?
I would prefer to pre-order all in one go. Because this cause more delivery cost
and it’s a pointless wait.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

3rd October 2023, 2:32 pm

You can certainly wait until the M.2 HAT is released and buy both if you’d like,
but right now the HAT is still in prototype. The Raspberry Pi 5 will ship to
customers before the M.2 HAT is released.


MLADEN BRUCK

1st October 2023, 5:34 pm

Bravo,
RPI 4 was already quite fast for ordinary jobs.. with this really going
into small PC areas.
Besides use for M.2 drives, is it possible to attach real PCI express cards like
for example DAQ boards?


PETER KROL

1st October 2023, 8:12 pm

Nice to read, a big step forward, Peter


CHRIS

1st October 2023, 11:40 pm

Hi are there any plans to upgrade the P400 to a P500?


W. H. HEYDT

2nd October 2023, 3:05 pm

That would be extraordinarily unlikely. It would require replacing the entire
mainboard inside the Pi400. At that point, it’d be simpler (and probably
cheaper) just to get the Pi500 (when that exists), then you’d still have the
Pi400 for the things that it can handle.


TYSON

2nd October 2023, 5:51 am

cool that’s great , looking forward to get hands on one


NAFANZ

2nd October 2023, 7:05 am

Do you have any plans to make a proprietary aluminum case for passive cooling of
the board? One of the advantages of the raspberry for me is that it is
completely silent. Yes, I am sure that there will be cases from other
manufacturers, but the question is about the official one.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF LIZ UPTON

2nd October 2023, 11:21 am

In a normal ambient environment, the fan is inaudible. Alasdair is writing a
piece about thermals at the moment and tried to measure his with a decibelmeter
yesterday; he wasn’t able to measure anything over the normal sounds of a house
being lived in. When we’ve tested in a completely silent room, it’s come in at
about 35dB – that’s basically going to be too quiet for you to hear. (The chart
I looked noise levels up on for this called 35dB the equivalent of “falling
leaves”.)


AKASH

2nd October 2023, 7:20 am

does pi 5 support 4k video?


KRISM

2nd October 2023, 8:12 am

Great news …
and gratulations with the new release of the raspberry PI 5.
⇨ Will there be also Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 versions available?
⇨ Will there be for the PCIe a cable adapter included?
Or has it to be ordered seperately?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

2nd October 2023, 12:26 pm

The Pi 5 retail boxes contain a Pi 5. And a user guide and anti-static card.

Comments about CM5 above are only in double figures, so I guess you can be
forgiven for not seeing them.


ATTICELECTRONICS

2nd October 2023, 8:40 am

The 5V@5A PD circuit can be a bit tricky for many users to set up.
Is it possible to power it entirely through the GPIO header? If so, can the
firmware recognise the current to utilise the device’s maximum performance?
There’s a bit of a longing for a power connector for portability, but
nonetheless, I’m happy that such a lovely Raspberry Pi has been released.


RASPBERRY PI STAFF GORDON HOLLINGWORTH

3rd October 2023, 1:05 pm

It is possible (as it has always been), to power through the GPIO connector, you
would need to add a config parameter to config.txt or the EEPROM to set the USB
current limit to 1.6A


TONY ABBEY

2nd October 2023, 10:41 am

All it needed to be perfect for Software Designed Radio is a high speed ADC
without the DNL problems of the RP2040 (presumably the designers have fixed
their chip design tools now). Reading between the lines above, is there an ADC
present in the RP1 chip, or was that a misprint for DAC?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

2nd October 2023, 12:23 pm

RP1 has 4 ADC channels. I don’t know how fast they might be, but on Pi 5 only
two channels are used and neither are mapped to the 40-pin header, i.e. they
aren’t available for general use.


OLITHEONE

2nd October 2023, 11:13 am

Hoping that the UARTs of the RP1 now support hardware driver enable signals for
RS485. Would make many things easier for me…


RASPBERRY PI STAFF PHILE

2nd October 2023, 12:20 pm

The RP1 UARTs are standard ARM PL011 UARTs, so no hardware RS485 support.


LEO LEHANE

2nd October 2023, 11:28 am

I’ve been doing some research on BCI’s and EEG communication, and a raspberry pi
5 compute module would be perfect for this. do you have an ETA for the raspberry
pi 5 computer modules yet?


ANDREA FLORIO

2nd October 2023, 12:48 pm

What about the compute module 5? Any plans?


HYPERBOLE

2nd October 2023, 1:47 pm

CM5 or RPi 500 have not been officially confirmed.

RPL do not have a publicly available roadmap of future hardware and software.

This Blog is only in relation to the release of Raspberry Pi 5 SBC.


CAL

2nd October 2023, 2:16 pm

Congratulations! Something seems missing though. What’s happened with the ‘B’?


HYPERBOLE

2nd October 2023, 2:47 pm

Liz Upton posted a comment in the Forums stating that the B has been dropped.


CAL

2nd October 2023, 3:14 pm

Ah, I see, the B has it’s own topic on there!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

2nd October 2023, 2:52 pm

Doesn’t need it. We named it like Cher. Or Kylie. Or Dracula.


WILLIAM

2nd October 2023, 4:12 pm

Will the Pi 5 feature individual control of USB port power like all Pis except
Pi 4? All the Pis except for Pi 4, allow you to control power to individual USB
ports, but for the Pi 4 its all 4 at once. Will that be the same for the Pi 5,
or will it have individual power control over its USB ports?


JAMES ADAMS

3rd October 2023, 10:19 pm

Every pi model ever made has had ganged/commoned USB power – none have had
individual per-port switching.


WILLIAM

5th October 2023, 8:37 pm

Individual ports was incorrect, I should have stated groups/pairs of ports,
there is a difference in 4B and all the rest. You can turn of 2 of 4 in the
others, but 4B is all 4 on or off.
https://stackoverflow.com/a/59774582


JOSE GABRIEL ESPINOZA

2nd October 2023, 9:55 pm

I don’t want more RAM I need the $35 rpi back


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

3rd October 2023, 9:57 am

Then you’re looking for this:
https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b/


JOSE APONTE

2nd October 2023, 9:55 pm

Congratulations, can’t wait until it’s in my hands!


BRANDMAN

3rd October 2023, 12:09 pm

First of all, congratulations on this success with the new RP5!
But there is something which is not quite clear to me: Will it be possible to
use the active cooler with the PoE+ HAT? That would be something great!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

3rd October 2023, 2:29 pm

Yes, you can use both together.


PLAMP

3rd October 2023, 1:05 pm

Looks promising. I’m a big fan of that cooling fan; $5 is a bargain!


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

3rd October 2023, 1:32 pm

We’re not allowed to call it a fan, it’s technically a “blower”. The engineers
will COME FOR YOU if you call it a fan. But now we’ve called it a cooler?..
Don’t worry, I’ll protect you.


KLEKS

3rd October 2023, 1:37 pm

We have 2023 and RP still boots from uSD… No MMC/M.2 support without hat. With
hat all you can get is M.2 PCIe 2.0 x 1. Not even funny :-)


RICCO

8th October 2023, 10:57 pm

That is still almost the same limit as SATA3, maybe not the fastest of
interfaces, but should be plenty fast for a boot drive


WORLD’S BIGGEST HATER

3rd October 2023, 4:29 pm

Here’s what I would do if I were in charge of the Raspberry Pi Foundation: I
would fail, 100%.
Seriously, the world is a better place due to all that you folks have done for
us. Thank you for all your hard work.
To everybody who thinks they can do better: Go ahead and try. I believe in you.
I am looking forward to purchasing my Raspberry Pi 5. It is perfect.


HYPERBOLE

3rd October 2023, 8:18 pm

The Raspberry Pi Foundation are not responsible for the hardware.


VINCE

3rd October 2023, 5:11 pm

Gordon – ‘after’ is not really quite acceptable. It’s not fair to deprecate out
a feature many people depend on without having a working replacement there on
day-one. Network Manager has to write a file that you can grab and drop into
place on firstboot. Please make it so before the new os releases. Many people
rely on this (nice) feature to be able to cook up easily replicable hands-off
tweaked images.


FEDERICO

3rd October 2023, 10:16 pm

Hi, congratulation for the new release, i managed to pre-order an 8gb unit and i
have a question, for my project i need vulkan 1.2, will the new driver be
released on day one?
also do i still need to schroot to use 32bit apps on a 64bit os?? the new pi5
will not support 32bit images.


KALLE

4th October 2023, 7:22 am

Amazing news. Having looked at a few YouTube reviews…. Is this now the best bang
for the buck in terms of desktop computer at 100€ ?
(Board + sd card + case + power adapter)

Would it perform better than a second hand PC at the same price point?


DAZ M

4th October 2023, 5:52 pm

Will the M.2 board and Pi 5 fit in the new case?
It also looks like the M.2 will barely clear the heatsink for the chip and M.2
drives are not know for there good thermals, will the case be able to cool both
together?


PATRIC

6th October 2023, 12:57 am

Excited about the pi5!
Will there be a new camera module designed for the new larger accessory port?
I don’t like the mini HDMI because it requires buying a new cable—my 3B+ uses
standard HDMI. This just pushes the price of the kit up higher for the user. The
other changes make me happy! Will the video hardware decoder handle H.264 too or
only H.265? Thank you for answering all our questions!


CARLOS GATO303

6th October 2023, 1:21 am

Very interesting having a new generation of the Raspberry.
My big concern is the removal of the 3.5mm analog video audio jack, I bought a
9″ HDMI display that doesn’t support audio, so I have to plug speakers to the
3.5mm jack to have audio.
How will you get audio output from the Pi 5 other than from the HDMI ports?


PAUL WEBSTER

9th October 2023, 10:22 pm

Maybe use a HDMI signal splitter that can pass through the HDMI video and send
the audio out to 3.5mm socket.


JON

10th October 2023, 3:45 pm

You could try some sort of I2S solution from the GPIO.


THOMAS

11th October 2023, 9:54 pm

There are e. g. HifiBerry boards, which do have magnificent sound, but can
double the price and size of your gear.
OTOH, you usually do not need the improved speed (and the increased power
consumption) of the new PI for audio / video applications.


JESSE

20th October 2023, 9:03 pm

I use a USB to analog adapter, they are fairly cheap.


RADIM

6th October 2023, 8:20 am

Awesome, cannot wait! Also the switch to Wayland from X11, nice :)


CHRISTIAN TRECZOKS

6th October 2023, 12:44 pm

First of all, congrats for providing an exciting new RPi.
The new PoE-hat, will it support POE+, i.e. 30W?
Instead of using a PoE-hat, is there a way to bring power to the board that is
*not* USB, i.e. through the 5V pins of the GPIO?
Will it be possible to use the PoE-Hat *and* the M.2-Hat *and* proper cooling?


PIETER

6th October 2023, 1:50 pm

Oh wow, this is looking good. When M.2 hat is attchached, is there still pins
available for other purposes?
is it possible to lift it with an adapter to still ad an active fan?


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ALASDAIR ALLAN

6th October 2023, 2:16 pm

The M.2 HAT uses the PCIe FPC connector and, at least for the current revision,
doesn’t use any GPIO pins. You can use 16mm GPIO extender to fit the Active
Cooler underneath the HAT. See my post on thermals from Wednesday.


PIETER

11th October 2023, 7:43 pm

Thank you!


GUTEMBERG

8th October 2023, 12:25 am

Awesome work!
Any words on when we can expect the Compute Module 5?
Thanks!


STEVE F.

8th October 2023, 8:21 pm

Regarding Raspberry OS, I know you guys use lxde by default. I presume it is
optimized for the Pi by you guys. But what if I use a different DE like xfce or
gnome. Will that benefit from any of the optimizations you may have done say
using the GPU for some things, etc? Or, have you basically just provided the
same DE’s as debian except for maybe lxde?


RICCO

8th October 2023, 10:52 pm

Just found out that this was even announced! When will schematic docs be
released, want to try my hand at modelling a case as an excuse to finally get a
hold of a 3D printer haha.
Best of luck with the launch!


LORD ELECTRON

9th October 2023, 10:26 pm

Great job everyone for the amazing work, I’m already thinking of making a custom
case for this amazing pi! Although, I noticed that a lot of dimensions were
missing from the mechanical drawing PDF. Will there be a modification to the
pdf, or will it remain the same?


JON

10th October 2023, 3:43 pm

5V/5A USB power?! I wish the board was just able to support USB-C PD and take
some higher voltages. The wires on that power supply must be really beefy.


THOMAS

11th October 2023, 9:40 pm

Yes, given the risen power needs and the cool new power supply chip, this is
astonishingly … leaving room for improvement.


LORD ELECTRON

12th October 2023, 3:15 am

As I can recall from some previous research, the new raspberry pi 5 can support
USB-PD. My sources could be wrong, but I invite you to do some research of your
own to confirm.


THOMAS

14th October 2023, 12:10 am

It is correct, that the Pi 5 does support PD. But it doesn’t negotiate a profile
with more than 5 V. (E. g. 15 V 2 A would be much more appropriate.)


DEAN

11th October 2023, 2:05 am

Hi, just wondering if anyone knows if the single-use codes have been sent out to
MagPi subscribers yet? I’m a subscriber but haven’t received a code yet. I did
receive a pre-order link from Element14 on the day of the launch, but not sure
if that’s the same thing or not, it makes no mention of being a MagPi subscriber
specific offer. Thanks.


ALEKSANDAR

11th October 2023, 12:40 pm

One small step for PI, one giant leap for PIkind


ERIC

11th October 2023, 7:43 pm

This is so awesome! Can’t wait to see what cool new applications can be created
with Raspberry Pi 5.
(as a minor side note, it was kind of hard to follow Eben’s presentation in the
video because his speech varies quite a bit in volume… anyway to compensate for
that in post-process a bit?). Minor complaint of course!


NATALIE

11th October 2023, 10:49 pm

Neato! Are there any plans to sell the 5 in a built-in keyboard form factor,
similar to the Raspberry Pi 400?


MW

14th October 2023, 8:38 pm

It is extremely unlikely a RPi 5 SBC would be built into a keyboard assembly, as
no previous RPi SBC has been offered in this configuration in an Official
Product.


CASHTON HARMER

14th October 2023, 6:20 pm

Amazing work! I already am planning projects to fully utilize this new computer.


ODHIAMBOW

15th October 2023, 9:59 am

I am looking forward to a Pi500, which is a Pi5 mated to a mechanical keyboard,
like the Keychron K10Pro. The time for collaboration is ripe. Or maybe the
Raspberrypi Foundation can do their own hot-swappable mechanical keyboard for
enthusiasts.


ALAN

18th October 2023, 3:27 am

Can the Pi5 be powered on and off (off or low power sleep) with an IR remote
control?


ALAIN JERONNE

20th October 2023, 3:13 pm

Great, we’re looking forward to the release of the Pi 5. TOP !


WILLIAM

20th October 2023, 8:43 pm

Is there any estimated ETA for relay hats or other hats? I assume hats for
previous Pis, 3b/4b won’t work on the 5.


THISISNOTMYNAME

23rd October 2023, 5:11 pm

will we be able to attach graphics cards via the new PCI express slots? if so, I
can finally realise my dream of plugging my computer into my graphics card,
instead of plugging my graphics card into my computer.


STEVE S

23rd October 2023, 8:32 pm

Absolutely delighted to be writing this on my Pi5 just set up a few mins ago,
can’t wait for the ssd hat


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

24th October 2023, 9:42 am

🍾


ANDREW TAYLOR

29th October 2023, 2:34 pm

Getting a Raspberry Pi5 in October will be like the “Hunt for Red October” :)


HELMUT ROSENBERGER

31st October 2023, 7:39 pm

Sounds like a real good Pi Version (got all Versions from 2 to 4), but as a HiFi
Freak i am still sad about the PWM Sound output of the RPI 5, so i still must
use 1 of the few USB-Ports for an external Soundcard. =:-(


VIJAY V

1st November 2023, 9:54 am

Can anyone share build procedure and source code of linux source, tool chain for
Rasberri pi 5?


ELL1E

3rd November 2023, 7:24 pm

You wouldn’t happen to know if a Raspberry Pi 5 16GB variant is coming? I’m
interested in developing ARM64 software while also dog feeding it a little bit,
but I know from other systems that below 16GB RAM some of my experiments and
activities can get a little crashy. (The CPU speed won’t be a problem.)


OLEKSANDR

5th November 2023, 10:48 pm

will i be able to run zoom on p5?


CASEY LP

8th November 2023, 1:29 pm

Curious to know how the active cooler will work alongside the yet-released NVMe
HAT? Will it pump hot air into the HAT board or even no space for it? Would both
work alongside the new Pi case?


CASEY LP

9th November 2023, 11:01 am

Just to self-reply to myself in case others had this query – the article they
posted about thermal tests with the Raspberry Pi active cooler discuss this
scenario. The answer is to use a riser, and the thermal level is reduced
slightly but not significantly.
https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/heating-and-cooling-raspberry-pi-5/


DAVID LOVELACE

16th November 2023, 12:25 pm

Hello RP team, RP 5 looks amazing! I use DSP in many of my device applications,
so can I therefore ask: is there an on-board ADC or must this be an external to
the RP 5? Thanks (David, Herefordshire)


JAGMAN2004

4th December 2023, 10:43 am

Does the new Pi5 support Wakeonlan?


JOE

9th December 2023, 3:42 am

Hello,

I’d like to teach my 5, 8, and 11 year olds programming and coding. Is this the
device to get to do it? What would make this better/different than getting them
a robot you build, code and play with? Please keep this non-jargony if you will.
I am a pilot and financial
Advisor and not a techie ish guy…. Thx! Joe


ROBERT HORTON

14th December 2023, 10:18 pm

I just ordered the SSD board… Terabyte-wise, how much of an SSD can the RPi
handle?


TOM

16th December 2023, 1:16 pm

Hello,
Does RPi5 allow higher bandwidth to allow 4K@25Hz video from camera, in the
future?


SEAN CONSTANTINE

20th December 2023, 3:49 am

Any release date/details when the PoE+ HAT for RPi5 will be through production
and available for purchase? That completes the stack replacement from 4->5 for
many of us.

Great work team, thank you! Looking forward to getting our hands on the newest
Cambridge//Wales build!


JIM DARROUGH

24th December 2023, 4:01 pm

What effect on cooling will the upcoming NVME HAT have? It seems in the picture
that it mounts pretty close to the board. Is there going to be an option to
extend the GPIO pins so that a more robust cooling system (heat sink/fan) can be
used without degrading airflow so much that it’s ineffective?
Have my new RPi 5 8G running Ubuntu 23.03 and several Ham software packages and
am totally impressed!


MARTIN THOMAS

28th December 2023, 7:41 am

With the new M.2 adapters comming in 2024, will it be possible to directly
interface to one of the Google Coral AI Accelerators? they’re offering M.2 (A+E
key) and M.2 (B+M key).
Could imagine the Rpi5 plus one of these, to be an awesome edgeAI computer.


DR.E.WITZ

7th January 2024, 6:51 pm

Regarding the RPi 5 and the RTC.
Is the RTC connected to the i2c bus. And if so, what address? Is this address
configurable?


AV1

22nd January 2024, 9:54 am

No AV1 hardware decoding and hardware encoding in 2024, yikes.


RAHAF

29th January 2024, 10:38 pm

Pi5 can work with Python 3.8.10? I’m currently using YOLOv8 on this Python
version. could you please help me to choose between Pi5 and Pi4 ?


ENVOY STINGILY

18th February 2024, 6:25 pm

> Camera Module 3, the High-Quality Camera, the Global Shutter Camera, and the
Touchscreen Display will all ship with both a standard-to-standard and a 200mm
mini-to-standard cable.

My High Quality Camera did not come with the mini-to-standard cable. :( Was
there a change here, or did I just get stiffed? (I guess I got stiffed either
way!)


RASPBERRY PI STAFF ASHLEY WHITTAKER

19th February 2024, 10:17 am

Oh no! If you ask the Approved Reseller you purchased from they should be able
to rectify this for you. Alternatively, you could email: info@raspberrypi.com
and say Ashley said you have some replacement cables for this in stock and I
didn’t get them when my AR shipped to me.


SONAL CHAND

1st March 2024, 6:16 pm

Can someone please suggest where to buy a battery pack for raspberrypi 5 which
has raspi usb camera along with it.


GIO

18th March 2024, 9:10 pm

Hi, any news about the poe and m.2 hats?

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