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by rerevisionist » 17 Apr 2011 13:51

"Nuclear bombs do not exist."

The following post, which is a detailed presentation both of claims, and
evidence, regarding nuclear hoaxes, is copied from
http://www.sciforums.com/search.php?searchid=6409296 where it appeared about 4
years ago in 2007, under the title - their capitals - The Atom Bomb Hoax and
more jewish lies. 'Cactusneedles' considers himself, rightly as far as I know,
the father of atom bomb revisionism. I've taken the liberty of copying here in
case sciforums decides to delete the thread. The author appears to be Roger
Desjardins of Canada. He also claimed to have posted in 2004 or 2005 in the
thread 'Hiroshima Before and After' of 'libertyforum' as cactus; but this thread
has apparently gone; the 'Wayback machine' of archive.org has copies from that
time, but they seem to be unsearchable, and the sheer mass of threads defeated
me - so I have no firm earliest date of his postings. He also used the name
Alexis1111 (and - note added Dec 2011 - Warhol). (The identical posting to that
below appeared in 2009 on David Icke's site, and maybe elsewhere. NB I've added
a very few notes and corrected a few careless typos.)

cactusneedles Banned (74 posts) 04-26-07

Item 1)

The historical seismograms of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have mysteriously vanished.
If not only for the sake of war-era memorabilia, that information should have
been everywhere in the museums and in the press. Hiroshima is located in a
highly volcanic zone called the Honshu Arc and those active volcanoes were under
constant seismographic surveillance during that period and long before that. The
so-called atomic blast at Hiroshima was estimated to be the equivalent of 6.2 on
the Richter Scale but no seismological outpost in the world appears to have
noted it. The Russians said they exploded the biggest atomic bomb ever made (50
megatons) at Novaya Zemlya in northern Russia. That is hundreds of thousands of
times more powerful than what they say exploded over Hiroshima yet again, not
one seismic needle moved at all. How is that possible, I ask?

Item 2)

In 1942 Hitler's Lufftwaffe had a plan to bomb Lower Manhattan in New York City
USA. This plan included a special transport behemoth to fly the package across
the Atlantic and deliver it to the target. This is fully 3 years before
Hiroshima yet the so-called atom bomb they said they were using is the exact
yield and deployed at the same height as the one they say they dropped on
Hiroshima. This suggests to me that the atomic hoaxsters were shopping for a
spot to nest the hoax. What other possible explanation can there be? When the US
started using what they call atom bombs the used the uranium hammer
configurations, but the Hitler model is not specific at that level. So, what is
Hitler doing planning atom bomb attacks before he even had the facilities or
infrastructure to even start planning such late strategies. They never said what
they would replace that bomb with if it fell into the ocean with the plane. Why
would he not have delivered the package by boat instead. How do we explain these
contradictions?

Item 3)

The so-called nuclear industry, be it weapons or so-called commercially viable
nuclear reactors is the hoaxsters' paradise. The whole ripoff scheme is shrouded
in national security protocols and security bonding which means you can't
discuss your work outside the plant if you don't want to incur the wrath of the
NSA and risk jailtime for attempted so-called nuclear terrorism. The whole scam
is compartmentalized so Sam doesn't know what George is up to. Perfect cover for
the atom bomb hoax clusters. So perfect in fact that I believe the jews could
not resist pulling off those massive long-cons on the people of the world. How
can they NOT have done it when the opportunities, the means and the motives were
all there for them to exploit?

Item 4)

During the so-called billion-dollar east coast of the United States blackout a
good portion of that area was completely without power. How is this possible
when so many so-called nuclear reactors were supposed to have autonomy? How is
it possible that people can shell out 5 billion dollars to build a reactor and
it can't light a lightbulb when the grid goes down. My contention is that the
reason the power failure is so absolute is because the conventional sources are
fueling the hoax reactors. Who would build a distribution grid for electricity
like a superhighway that clogs up when two cars collide on a country road?
Nobody would design a grid where a reactor can't support its customers when the
other grid elements are compromised. I say this is further evidence of the hoax.
How can it be otherwise?

Item 5)

The mushroom cloud thermodynamics of the atom bomb hoax have also been examined.
The first problem the competent examiner notices with the mushroom cloud
photographed on the day Hiroshima was attacked is that the sun is shining
brightly overhead at the noon position. The bombing was said to have been at
8:15 am. I have heard it argued that this was the Nagasaki cloud, but it has
been used by the hoaxsters themselves for Hiroshima and Justin Raimondo had this
exact cloud for his essay, Hiroshima, Mon Amour. Why would the jews want to say
it is Nagasaki if they have nothing to hide? I went to the public library in
downtown Montreal as a youth and I looked at microfilm of newspapers for that
day in 1945 and the picture I enlarged taken from the microfilm was the cloud at
noon and it was Hiroshima indeed. So, more evidence of a hoax?

Item 6)

The firebombing of Tokyo March 9-10, 1945 - 100,000 dead. M-69 aimable cluster
firebombs reduced 26 square kilometers of that city to ash using a few hundred
U.S. Air Force B-29 bombers. Aside the cost of the aircraft when initially
built, the cost of destroying all that section of Tokyo was a little more than a
million dollars. So, why build anything that costs billions to destroy a
fraction of the land those B-29 bombers could have destroyed in under less than
a million dollars? Because the atom bomb was a lie and those cities reduced to
ash by M-69 firebombs and that also explains the mysterious vanishing of the
historical seismograms of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Are they hiding the fact that
there was no shock wave? Is that why the trees were still standing charred and
many building facades still standing?

Item 7)

Hiroshima was not evacuated and life came back to normal very quickly. This is
inconsistent with the models presented by the experts that said nothing would
grow for 70 years and nobody could live there for a very long time. One week
after the so-called atom bomb, oleanders were growing everywhere. The hoaxsters
started stories of a miracle. More contradiction and nonsense from the jewish
hoaxsters.

Item 8)

The pilot of the B-29 they said dropped the so-called atom bomb on Hiroshima is
a known Hollywood insider and his B-29 crew was totally segregated on an island
with the pilot Commander Tibbets fully in charge of security and everything. He
had full autonomy and discretion. I believe his crew of talmudic cowards was
near 200 aircraft when they sortie'd on Hiroshima then later on Nagasaki.
Another brilliant example of the secrecy and security shroud of
compartmentalization over the whole hoax. Why would this dumbass put his
mother's name on an instrument of utter genocide if it were not that his mother
gloats without end at jewish hoax accomplishments and mass murder that she would
be pleased to figure prominently on the nose of that beast of destruction and
mass murder. How can anyone believe such a mess of contradictions when it is
obvious they would have been nuts not to exploit the means they had at their
disposal under those circumstances. They pulled it off while everyone on earth
was in a state of shock and would have believed anything the jews said just to
stop the ignited gasoline showers?

Item 9)

Items said to be radioactive have in fact been doped with x-ray radiation for
periods of time corresponding to the hoax expectations. At the Pantex assembly
plant in [17 miles north-east of] Amarillo Texas, they have a very powerful
x-ray machine they say they use to look inside decomissioned so-called atom
bombs before they open them up. That is totally ridiculous because why would
anything be wrong inside a bomb watched by the military night and day? I say the
x-ray machine is there to dope the materials they assemble so that the x-ray
detectors they call rad meters can read something expected from the mathematical
models. When a rad meter is picking up x-ray radiation it is seamlessly and
logarithmically converting this sampled energy and reporting the results as rads
instead of x-ray energy that it is. When a student examines a sample said to be
radioactive it is a sample irradiated prior using a high intensity x-ray
machine. Again compartmentalization plays a key role here at the Pantex plant.
Coincidentally they are the only plant in the US authorized to make the final
assemblies of so-called nuclear bombs. What else could they be using that huge
x-ray machine at Pantex if it is not to create illusions of atomic
radioactivity?

Item 10)

Einstein the plagiarist. At least a few links provided at my Hiroshima thread
deal with the question of Einstein's honesty in claiming the authorship of a lot
of his predecessor's work. Some say his wife was more the mathematical genius
and coached him a lot. Anyways the original and official story of the creation
of the first so-called atom bomb says that Einstein gave the letter he wrote to
the president of the United States to a financier in New York that bounced it
around town for a week before giving it to the president. This was a letter
explaining in terms a president could understand that atom bombs can be made.
The story says that everyone was paranoid that Hitler would discover the plan to
build a bomb yet they let the letter concerning its so-called feasibility float
around town for a week. More contradiction.

Item 11)

The jewish question. Can anyone deny that the jews had the means, the motives,
and the opportunities to hoax the world with fake atom bombs and fake CVNEs [I
don't recognise this acronym - rerev] and fake DU [= 'depleted uranium'] and the
fake nuclear navy? They even faked moonlandings and NAZIS holocausts lying
bastards that they are. They call their genocides wars and failed diplomacy,
degenerate freaks. They faked the dinosaurs too it would appear.

Item 12)

Iraq, why did they not find so-called atom bombs there?

Item13)

Suicide bombers, since when can't the underworld acquire atom bombs for suicide
missions if they are not bogus?

Item 14)

Why 60 years without so-called atom bomb accidental explosions or terrorist
explosions? Everything the jews running the government do is sloppy and anyone
with entry level skills can steal a package from the military and configure it
to their likings. Why has this never occurred with the so-called atom bomb?

Item 15)

The global conspiracy in negotiable instruments run by the jews and
indoctrinated into the minds of the poor youth abandoned to those pathetic
indoctrination centers called public schools worldwide [which are] a very
important factor in the widespread acceptance of the hoax clusters of the atomic
variety by the mainsteam public. The jewish monopoly on the mainstream media is
also another great element used to ram the hoax down our throats while we are
still very young and vulnerable to fear. The gobal ring of jews running all the
governments of the world and controlling all the military forces of the planet
make the hoax possible also. Who can deny the influence of jews in every
country?

Item 16)

So-called nuclear reactors - The buildings and structures as they appear to the
human eye in as much as one is permitted to examine without special clearance
are real enough and cost real money if we can pretend the money supply is really
backed with anything of any real value. Billions of dollars to build each one. I
have worked building a pair of reactors in Gentilly, Quebec, so that appeared
real enough at the surface at least. Many people are salaried to work in these
buildings and monitor security, supply and maintenance. All this, of course, is
to be expected if you want anyone to believe the hoax it has to have at least
the appearance of function and form. The real sham starts in the control room.
What is a control room anyways you might ask, well, it is a representation of
variables said to be operating to achieve the potential predicted in the
mathematical models. The truth is that the control panel is an advanced
simulator running on highly specific top-secret application software developed
secretly a long time ago and refined many times since. So, the unsuspecting
employees work all day monitoring variables fed to them by sophisticated digital
processors geared to simulate a fully functional reactor core and cooling
elements. The fake reactor is tethered to the grid and the energy from
conventional sources is fed to the brushes of the generators making them
instantly motors instead that circulate the water and perhaps also heat it for
effect and steam. The instruments reading the output from the reactor is
actually reversing the reading of the power pouring in. Who can deny that such
simulator technology was not possible at the time they started those hoaxes?

Item 17)

The money - now there's a good motive for hoaxing these clusters of deceit. How
many people making big money in that fake industry feel like letting it all go
so the truth be known? They will fight to the death to keep that salary and
income no matter how bogus the industry is proven to them to be. Who can deny
that important obstacle to the truth? The money stolen because of these hoax
clusters is beyond understanding.

Item 19)

Mushroom clouds do not grow out of radial airbrust explosions. The mushroom
cloud needs to be seeded from the ground. The thermodynamic conditions caused by
a circumferential airburst explosion would superheat the air all around and send
radial shock waves emanating from the center outwards like the popular festivity
fireworks and that would negate the conditions required for a mushroom cloud to
grow normally. A mushroom cloud grows from the ground up in a predictable
circular pattern that develops and flows through a relatively cool and stable
upper air mass because the explosion was at the ground level. Who can deny that
mushroom clouds can't grow out of radial airburst explosions?

Item 20)

The so-called nuclear subs are either fully battery operated and recharged
underwater secretly or run with Stirling Cycle engines or more likely both. That
would explain the absence of deisel fumes and would explain the very long
underwater periods. Stirling cycle engines are perfectly suited to hoax a
nuclear navy. Who can deny that?

To read more about these hoax clusters you may browse down to libertyforum.org
and see the Hiroshima Before and After thread I authored in the History and
Archeology section of that forum. That thread is 3 years old [2005] and has
garnered over 37,000 page views and is 80 pages long.

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Keywords: "Nuclear bombs do not exist." - nuclear consipracy - nuclear
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RE: 'CACTUSNEEDLES' 2005 AND 2007 POSTINGS ON NUKE MYTHS

by FirstClassSkeptic » 18 Apr 2011 15:30

http://www.pantex.com/

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RE: FATHER OF NUKE REVISIONISM'S '05, '07 POSTS - INC. PANTE

by rerevisionist » 08 May 2011 13:24

Here's another of cactusneedle's set of postings, under the name alexis1111, and
moved to David Icke ---
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1248263

Of a number of interesting things, there's a Japanese diagram of the aimable
firebombs used as incendiaries against Japanese towns and cities.



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by FirstClassSkeptic » 08 May 2011 23:17

That bomb looks a lot like Little Boy, but they don't give the dimensions. Or,
well, maybe they do and I just don't recognize them.

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RE: FATHER OF NUKE REVISIONISM: 2005-7 POSTS & PANTEX ASSEMB

by rerevisionist » 04 Dec 2011 15:05

I've just found another nuclear sceptics threads at
http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/topic/206751-the-atom-bomb-hoax-and-more-jewish-lies/
It's a single thread, not a forum collection. April through to August 2010. It
seems to have been started by Jess's 'Nuke Lies' Youtube video. It was started
by a poster nicknamed 'Babau' who has a mock-European redneck style persona,
which is quite amusing. It might conceivably be the Canadian, CactusNeeles/
Alexis1111 though.

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NUKE REVISIONISM PRIORITY: 'CACTUS' VS JESS OF NUKE LIES

by rerevisionist » 22 Dec 2011 00:44

Roger Desjardins says in an email 21st Dec 2011
> The Hiroshima Before and After thread I authored at libertyforum in their
> History and Archeology section was the first web published atomic bomb denial
> thread ever seen by the public on the net. 80 pages and nearly 100,000 page
> views before the site was folded. I have the entire thread backed up to my
> archives and the content shows that the readers had never seen or heard this
> form of denial before.



I looked on www.archive.org in their 'Wayback machine' search engine; typing
libertyforum.com (a now vanished site) gives 637 captures of the site between
3rd June 2002 and 23 July 2008. The 'History and Archaeology' section doesn't
exist before about Dec 2005 - it's quite difficult to check because the
archive.org is busy, and slow. To try to find the postings, from the home page
of libertyforum, click on 'Liberty Lounge' (in the left margin), then 'News and
Opinions' (left margin), then 'History and Archaeology'. If 'Hiroshima Before
and After' is listed, you may be have to find it by clicking on the thread list.
However, many of the postings have not been archived by archive.org.

However I did find this thread dated 28 Nov 2005 which seems to have the
earliest postings
http://web.archive.org/web/20051128123113/http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_history&Number=292989028&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=all
The first, what I presume to be the earliest, post is from cactus, dated
10/01/04, US style date for 1st October 2004. As the title 'Hiroshima before and
after' suggests, this page mostly deals with the alleged A bomb's effects on
Hiroshima.
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Jesse says he was first alerted to the possibility of the nuke hoax by a talk on
Talksport Radio, by James Whales (or perhaps Whalen). I haven't been able to
establish when this talk took place, but it would have been before the video
'Nuke Lies' which is dated, by Youtube, as uploaded 4 Nov 2008. This is about
four years after cactus posted, or longer, if cactus posted earlier as well. So
chronologically it looks as though RD must have priority. However his material
was tucked away and seems to have largely att5racted trolls and spammers.

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RE: NUKE REVISIONISM PRIORITY: 'CACTUS' VS JESS OF NUKE LIES

by rerevisionist » 24 Dec 2011 18:38

22 Dec 2011

Dan definitely came up with the dumpload theory. That's what stands out the most
in my memory from the email forum. I think we should give you, me, and Dan
credit for being the Fathers of Nuclear Revisionism. We are the true pioneers.

Merry Christmas,
Jesse

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RE: FATHER OF NUKE REVISIONISM: 2005-7 POSTS & PANTEX ASSEMB

by NUKELIES » 31 Dec 2011 12:22

rerevisionist wrote:

> Jesse says he was first alerted to the possibility of the nuke hoax by a talk
> on Talksport Radio, by James Whales (or perhaps Whalen). I haven't been able
> to establish when this talk took place, but it would have been before the
> video 'Nuke Lies' which is dated, by Youtube, as uploaded 4 Nov 2008. This is
> about four years after cactus posted, or longer, if cactus posted earlier as
> well. So chronologically it looks as though RD must have priority. However his
> material was tucked away and seems to have largely att5racted trolls and
> spammers.



I - Jesse - was not 'alerted' by Talksport. I realized the possibility that
nuclear bombs might be FAKE completely on my own. Then I searched on the
internet and found a few posts questioning the existence of nuclear bombs on
Above Top Secret and some videos by Moonshow on YouTube.

It is impossible to know how many people have thought critically about the
subject in the past. Millions of people must have experienced cognitive
dissonance in considering the feasibility of atomic explosions. Millions more
may have even wondered if such an improbability could be real.

I do not understand the purpose of this thread rerevisionist. We are attempting
to help, not patent our dissidence.

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by rerevisionist » 31 Dec 2011 12:34

Jess - I'm interested in truth, and in meta-revisionism -- there are many
subjects which need a good dose of revisionist analysis, and it's important to
have a realistic idea of the way revisionism has worked in the past. It may be
possible to identify suspect topics by their 'fingerprint' - e.g. by assessing
vested interests, or information bottlenecks, or psychological stress features.

Apologies for the radio comments. FCS also has said he independently realised
the things couldn't work, then hunted round, though he never fuly explained his
reasoning..

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by NUKELIES » 31 Dec 2011 12:44

Rerevisionist I appreciate your interest in meta-revisionism - that is a wise
concept with which I was completely unfamiliar before reading your post. Perhaps
we will be able to develop a formula for routing out lies using
meta-revisionism. Quite a concept!

However I do not see the correlation between meta-revisionism and discovery
ascription.

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by rerevisionist » 31 Dec 2011 17:03

NL - I'm baffled why you think all this isn't very important! It seems obvious
to me that finding out the historical detail is important. For example, we may
be able to encourage reliable informants to emerge from their woodwork.

In any case, 'cactus' (and other names) made significant points. However he has
always refused to post here. As far as I can tell, his views originated from
considering 'nuclear power' from a Canadian hydro-electric viewpoint. Some of
his material suggests to me it may have come from other sources - his earthquake
material for example sounds good, but it's unclear how he could be so sure of
his information. Maybe he's come up with new material - I don't know. He also
emailed me some rather odd garbled stuff which suggests trolls have been getting
at him.

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RE: FATHER OF NUKE REVISIONISM: 2005-7 POSTS & PANTEX ASSEMBLY PLANT

by voerioc » 09 Jan 2012 20:19

Personally, I don't mind that there is a little bit of competition to know who
was the first revisionist about nuke lies. It's human and it's little bit fun
(like a sport match).

And, from a historical point of view, I find interesting to know who was the
first to talk about it.

And I don't think there was millions of humans thinking nukes are a lie.
Otherwise, we would have thousands of people registering on this site.

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