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WHAT ARE THEY HIDING?—DR. ROBERT MALONE ON THE PFIZER DOCUMENTS AND EVIDENCE OF
CARDIOTOXICITY, BIRTH DEFECTS, AND THE RISE IN ALL-CAUSE MORTALITY

American Thought Leaders

JAN JEKIELEK

The COVID-19 vaccine makers “knew of many of these risks and adverse events …
and yet never formally disclosed them to patients,” says mRNA vaccine pioneer
Dr. Robert Malone. “I think there are many in the legal profession that are
looking at this and raising questions about whether, in fact, this does meet the
criteria of fraud in terms of withholding information.”

I sit down with Dr. Malone, co-founder of the International Alliance of
Physicians and Medical Scientists, to discuss the Global COVID Summit’s recent
declaration to “end the national emergency, restore scientific integrity, and
address crimes against humanity.”

“There are many people now that have vaccine damage, and they are not able to
get compensated. And there’s no money being invested in trying to understand
their disease and come up with ways to mitigate it,” says Dr. Malone.

At the same time, the majority of people hospitalized for COVID-19 now are
vaccinated individuals, says Dr. Robert Malone. “The more doses of these
products that you receive, the higher your risk for infection, disease, and
death, compared to those that remain ‘unvaccinated,’” says Dr. Malone—with of
course, the key caveat that most who are “unvaccinated” probably have natural
immunity.

 

Jan Jekielek: Dr. Robert Malone such a pleasure to have you back on American
Thought Leaders.

Dr. Robert Malone: Always my pleasure Jan, this is number four, I think.

Mr. Jekielek: You’re fresh off the plane from Louisiana, where you were
testifying against the implementation of a children’s vaccine mandate. This is
unbelievable to hear at this time during the pandemic.

Dr. Malone: I agree, Jan. It is paradoxical. It seems almost anachronistic given
all that we’ve learned about the adverse events in children, and also the fact
that COVID, particularly Omicron, is not a significant health threat for
children. Nevertheless, the current sitting Governor seems to have really dug
in, wanting to have these mandated vaccines for children in Louisiana. This is
something that I’ve been tracking and been engaged with. This is my second trip
there. The first time I went with Bobby Kennedy last September. We testified in
the House and that resulted in an overwhelming vote to block the mandates at
that time.

Then the governor came back and overruled the House and required the vaccines.
The attorney general then called that into question, based on the legality of
activities by the Health Department of Louisiana. This is now coming to a head
with this subcommittee vote. It is House Resolution 3 in the Senate in
Louisiana. Unfortunately, there was a vote to not allow this bill to come out of
subcommittee and be voted on the floor in the overall Louisiana Senate. The
whips are suggesting it would readily pass in the General Assembly.

Mr. Jekielek: Very quickly, the bill, what  exactly is it?

Dr. Malone: It is House Resolution 3, in short, a bill to block the mandates.
It’s important to get that in your mind. This is to stop the mandates that the
Governor is insisting on, and they have to do it with a veto-proof majority. The
whips are suggesting that there is a veto-proof majority in the overall Senate
and Assembly, and that it would pass, But at this moment, the governor’s
colleagues and supporters have appeared to have bottled it up in committee with
this recent vote. That was what we were there to testify about.

I was specifically requested by Attorney General Landry to come back and testify
about the current state of the science. Then the Attorney General spoke at
length about the constitutional and state law issues about having this appointed
bureaucracy, the public health system of Louisiana, implementing these mandates,
which is how it’s playing out in that state. These are not legislatively
approved. They’re being mandated by the public health bureaucracy.

Mr. Jekielek: Fascinating. We’ll be watching closely to see what happens there.
You mentioned you were testifying about the science. Just recently, you were in
a video that expresses the fourth declaration of the Global COVID Summit, and
you have some things to say about the science in the video. So please give us an
overview.

Dr. Malone: I’ve got the declaration here and there are 10 bullet points. This
is easy for your viewers to review for themselves, both the document itself, as
well as the supporting information that is in this press conference video that
we shot last Monday. So this last week, Jan, was wicked. We were shooting the
press conference until one in the morning. Then I had a film shoot with Mikki
Willis for the film End of Plandemic all day Tuesday. Then I had to be in Baton
Rouge at 10:00 AM on Wednesday. Now, here we are on Thursday. So it’s been a
tough week. This declaration is from the now 17,000 plus members of the
International Alliance of Physicians and Medical Scientists, who have this
Global COVID Summit website. That has been our group name and our brand since we
formed last fall.

This is a group that started off with just a small handful of docs. We were
labeled as right-wing Nazis. That was the stereotype that was put out about us
in the press. It’s an absurd presentation, but it’s the type of branding and
labeling that anyone that has objected to the official positions of this
administration has been subjected to. Then we grew as a group, and presented the
first declaration in Rome, as you know. Then we had a second declaration that
expanded on that and specifically emphasized not vaccinating children and the
importance of allowing physicians to treat patients, and allowing physicians to
be physicians. Then we had a third declaration that we gave at the International
COVID Summit in Massy, France, right outside of Paris. Then this is the fourth
one.

We debated this for well over a month among our group, and these are the points
that we have come up with. The data confirms that these experimental gene
therapy should end. We know more and more and more about the adverse events, and
in parallel have seen the rise of Omicron, which is much less infectious and
deadly than the prior variants. When you do the calculations for risk-benefit
ratio, and we see more and more about the toxicity, we see that the virus is
less and less of a risk. The risk-benefit ratio does not support ongoing
vaccinations. We declared that doctors should not be blocked from providing life
saving medical treatment. This has been one of our core positions now, going
back to the second declaration. We declare that the state of national emergency,
which facilitates corruption and extends the pandemic should be terminated
immediately.

This is pretty inflammatory language that we’re using here. But it gets to our
belief that this state of medical emergency that has been declared by the
administration has been weaponized for political purposes. Functionally, we have
a suspension of the Bill of Rights. They are justifying these coercive tactics
of propaganda, censorship, and defamation that are being deployed both
nationally and worldwide. This is all justified under the rubric of what’s
functionally a declaration of a state of war, only it’s really a state of
medical emergency. It is allowing the suspension of the core principles that
this country was founded on. We object to this and we see no evidence that we
are in a state of medical emergency. The hospitals aren’t full, even Dr. Fauci
acknowledged this. We declare medical privacy should never be violated again,
and all travel and social restrictions must cease.

This is about the conditions that we have all experienced, and the demands that
are being placed on us. We have these amazing stories coming out now in the news
from a variety of sources and whistle blowers. We have literally had the CDC
spying on us, as well as other agencies tracking us. There’s been a number of
violations of our medical privacy, not the least of which are the employer
demands that we disclose whether or not we’ve received these treatments. This is
a violation of HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.) It
violates a fundamental principle of medical privacy. It has to be overturned.
That information, in our opinion, should be expunged from databases. This is
illegal according to HIPAA. We declare funding and research must be established
for vaccination damage, death, and suffering. There are many people now that
have vaccine damage and they are not able to get compensated. There is no money
being invested in trying to understand their disease and come up with ways to
mitigate it.

We have a national responsibility. We have forced many people to take these
vaccines. A significant number of them have experienced vaccine-induced damage
and they should be compensated and they should be treated. We should understand
how to treat them, and we should understand how this has happened. We declare
masks are not, and have never been, effective protection against airborne
respiratory virus in the community setting. Fortunately, we had, as you know,
this recent court case that overturned the mask policy. But the data is in, and
it is abundantly clear. Yes, you could wear a respirator with filters, and that
would be sufficient to allow you some degree of protection against the virus.
But much of the infection, just a trivial example, occurs through the eyes. Yet,
we’re not forcing people to walk around with face shields. These paper masks do
nothing.

We all know that the data is clear on this. It’s hard to understand any medical
justification for this, and yet the harm to society, and the harm to our
children is clear and self-evident. We declare no opportunity should be denied,
including education, career, military service, or medical treatment over
unwillingness to take an injection. All of the products available in the United
States remain experimental products. The pharmaceutical companies, even those
that have had licensed vaccines, have refused to distribute and market those
licensed vaccines because of the obligations that come with that. We are
strongly of the opinion that individuals should not be mandated or forced or
coerced to take these products at this point in time, particularly now that we
have Omicron. We declare that first amendment violations and medical censorship
by government technology and media companies should cease, and the Bill of
Rights should be upheld.

This is fundamental. We believe in the Constitution. This isn’t radical. If we
are right-wing Nazis because we believe in the Bill of Rights and the
Constitution, then something is seriously wrong with how the press is
positioning all this information. We declare that Pfizer, Moderna, BioNTech,
Janssen, AstraZeneca, and their enablers withheld safety and effectiveness
information from patients and physicians, and they should be indicted for this.
Again, this is an incontrovertible fact. We have the GAO report from the
government side. We have the forced disclosure of the Pfizer information
package, which is still being released. It reveals that a lot of the propaganda
and information that’s been pushed on us about vaccine efficacy and safety is
fraudulent. I don’t know how else to say it. That is the legal word for saying
things that are not true.

We declare governmental and medical agencies must be held accountable for their
actions—the withholding of information, the manipulation of information, the
propaganda, the horrible compounded policy, and the attacks on the originators
of the Great Barrington Declaration. That’s one of the most egregious examples,
and it’s well documented. This must be stopped, and these people must be held
accountable. These are very simple points. They may sound quite inflammatory and
radical, but we’ve been subjected to constant censorship, pressure, defamation
and attacks.

Fortunately not by the Epoch Times. We’re very grateful as a community for the
role of the Epoch Times as a truth-teller in this situation. I know that you and
your organization have been rigorous with your coverage, and in requesting and
demanding information that is then published in your newspaper and through your
TV outlets. And you’ve always pressured me to be very cautious in what I say
when we interview, so that we can ensure that it is well documented. These 10
points, if you look at them individually, each one of them is well supported by
existing data.

Mr. Jekielek: Let’s talk about this. This is something I haven’t had a chance to
discuss yet with anyone on the show. So you’ve looked at some of these data
dumps from Pfizer, right? And you’re seeing things there that are highly
problematic. What is the most egregious thing you have seen? 

Dr. Malone: The table with the nine or eleven pages of adverse events, single
line listing, concatenated, separated by semicolons. These aren’t separate
points line by line, they’re concatenated. So, there are multiple adverse events
on each line. That this was known is shocking, in and of itself.  This is the
work product of the Pfizer-BioNTech pharmacovigilance team. Pharmacovigilance is
another one of these long technical terms. After a medical product is licensed,
the international standards say that the company that’s manufacturing and
marketing that product has an obligation to set up a separate department.

It’s one of these quality control things where a separate silo is set up for
monitoring reports coming from patients and physicians saying that these things
have occurred after we have received this product. They have an obligation by
global standards, to follow up each one of those reports, which is akin to the
CDC’s obligation with VAERS, but the CDC doesn’t take it as seriously as the
pharmaceutical industry has to take it.

So, this is the work product from their pharmacovigilant shop at
Pfizer-BioNTech. Clearly, they did not want to disclose this information,
because they fought hard, as did the FDA, to withhold this information. Most of
this information in these disclosure documents was available to the FDA when
they made their decision that these were safe and effective vaccine products,
and they should be fully licensed. The table that lists these adverse events, in
and of itself, is stunning. These are adverse events of special interest.
They’ve redacted the information about their frequency.

There is some overall tabularization of frequency by organ category, which is
the grossest, highest level summary. They’re not giving us the data about the
event rate for each specific category or diagnostic code, which is essentially
what all these are, separate diagnostic codes. That’s one that is shocking. You
may or may not recall, it goes all the way back to our first interview when I
was talking about this Japanese common technical document dossier that Byram
Bridle had obtained. I spoke about that and we both got plenty of pushback from
the “fact checkers” back then. None of us really recognized that whole ecosystem
of what the fact checkers were, and what they have become. But back then, we all
took it seriously and it seemed so unfair. They were attacking based on things
that I had said, and Byram Bridle had said, when we both independently evaluated
this Japanese common technical dossier.

Now, we find with the Pfizer releases that all that was true, and more. We
couldn’t read the whole document, because neither of us is fluent in Japanese.
We could look at the tables and listings that were in English and draw
conclusions based on that, and also the footers that were describing those
tables. But we didn’t have the whole body of the document, let alone have the
body of the parallel document that had been submitted to the FDA. To reel back
again in time, I specifically called Peter Marks, Center for Biologic Evaluation
and Research, and had a conference call with him. This is before the vaccine
licensure or anything else. I said I was really concerned about various things
that I was seeing.

My concern was that the agency may not have had a full appreciation of some of
the subtleties and nuances like I had, as somebody who had been involved in the
creation of the original technology. He assured me, speaking on behalf of the
agency and the government, “We now have a much more complete document set from
Pfizer and there’s nothing in this.” That was his statement. There was nothing
in that worried him. Now, we get to see what he was actually talking about. In
fact, everything that Byram and I had observed turns out to be true, and more.
These were not rigorously characterized in terms of pharmacokinetics. That’s
another big long word. How long do the drugs stay in your body?
Pharmaco-distribution; where does it go in your body? Genotoxicity; does it
impact on your DNA?

Reproductive toxicology; is it a risk for reproductive health in animal models
and subsequently in humans? Now we see from these documents that Pfizer knew
that it was grossly overstating the efficacy. They knew that the all-cause
mortality was higher in the treated groups than the untreated groups. They knew
that all-cause mortality was associated with cardiotoxicity. They knew that many
of the things that have subsequently come out had to trickle out. It’s like
pulling teeth out of the CDC to get this information, as you know, because
they’ve been withholding things so aggressively. We’ve had to go to Israel and
Great Britain and Sweden and Germany and UK and Scotland to pull this
information together to correlate it and try to make sense out of it.

Pfizer knew all that. There are many in the legal profession that are looking
into this and raising questions about whether, in fact, this does meet the
criteria of fraud in terms of withholding information, and whether or not it
would break the legal veil that is protecting the pharmaceutical industry. It
appears that they knew of many of these risks and adverse events, and yet never
formally disclosed them to patients.

As you recall, that gets to my original pea under the mattress, the thing that
really aggravated me from the start. It was the breach of fundamental medical
ethics having to do with informed consent and the importance of fully and
completely disclosing to patients what the potential risks are. Now, we have
clear documentation that those risks were known. They were extensive, and
information about those risks was withheld. We have that knowledge through the
Pfizer document dossier and the documents that are being disclosed, as well as
through the GAO report, and the New York Times’ report on President’s Day. It is
becoming more and more clear, and yet the government continues to deny it.

Mr. Jekielek: The first point in this new declaration is that the universal
vaccination should end. You phrase it differently, but I understand that is the
point. So presumably, that’s because of the understanding of the science among
the doctors in your organization. Can you give me an overview of how you reached
this conclusion?

Dr. Malone: This is not something we’ve said trivially or lightly in any way,
shape or form. We recognize that this is going to subject us to all kinds of
derision, pressure, censorship, and attacks. From our prior interviews, I have
always been very reluctant to come to a position where I say these vaccines are
not indicated for any cohort. Over time, we’ve learned more and more about the
risks, the adverse events, and the all-cause mortality that is being revealed by
insurance companies, and all kinds of data sources. There is this curious
situation where the data is demonstrating a dose-dependent relationship between
risk of infection, disease, and death, which is paradoxical. This is being seen
in country, after country, after country, and is now being openly discussed in
the press.

Mr. Jekielek: Please spell out what that means, exactly?

Dr. Malone: The shocking thing, and I don’t know how else to say it, one had
assumed and what we were being told and basically marketed by our governments
was that these vaccines would protect us from infection, replication, and virus
spread, at a minimum. As those pillars fell, the data became clear that the
vaccines were not effective in any way. A traditional vaccine would be
considered to be effective if it is preventing infection and spread. The
fallback position of the government has always been that they protect you from
severe disease and death. Now those pillars are falling. 

The data from the U.S., from Europe, from Israel, and from the UK and Scotland
until they stop sharing the data, demonstrates that the more genetic vaccines,
particularly the RNA vaccines, that an individual patient receives—and I prefer
not to use the booster language because technically even dose-one is a booster
of your prior infection from circulating Coronaviruses, technically, so let’s
just call them doses, because that gets away with whether these are actually
working as vaccines or are they really some prophylactic therapy, and the case
can be made that’s what it’s come down to—the observation is the more doses of
these products that you receive, the higher your risk for infection, disease,
and death, compared to those that remain “unvaccinated.”  

Now the key caveat is, who is unvaccinated? Because functionally, most of us
have already received an infection of some kind, especially with Omicron. 75 per
cent of children in the United States now have antibodies, but only a fraction
of those have been vaccinated. So, the control group that we’re comparing to is
not really unvaccinated, it’s naturally immune for the most part. But compared
to that unvaccinated control group, whatever it consists of, there is a growing
clarity in the data from many, many different sources that the number of vaccine
doses administered correlates with an increased risk, depending on the number of
doses of infection, disease, and death.

What I’m hearing from frontline docs all over the world is the people that we’re
seeing now in the hospital are all vaccinated. You’ll recall that what we were
given as the talking point was this is a disease of the unvaccinated. Now that’s
now completely flipped on its head. The data no longer supports that talking
point. In fact, the data supports the contrary talking point. So, it’s no longer
working as a vaccine. If anything, it’s a short term immuno-enhancement. I don’t
know what to call it. It’s not even very effective on that, which is
acknowledged by the CEO of Pfizer.

We have Professor David Marks of CIBMTR (Center for International Blood & Marrow
Transplant Center) acknowledging that multiple jabs aren’t working. We have the
chief immunologist for the Israeli government acknowledging that multiple boosts
aren’t working. Yet, we still have an official policy in the United States and
in Louisiana, as we were just talking about, of continuing to vaccinate people.
This is what we have observed, and this is what has driven us to this decision.
It is not just the nuance of the underlying science about T-cell dysfunction and
the role of pseudouridine, that  you covered in American Thought Leaders when
you interviewed Ryan Cole.

Pseudouridine is immunosuppressive. Pseudouridine incorporating RNA is having
half-lives of 60 days or longer, which is totally unprecedented. This is not our
natural RNA by any stretch of the imagination. It’s not behaving as RNA. This
fact is published in Cell Press, and observed by a strong group from Stanford
University by lymph node biopsy. This is not by cell culture and Petri dish.
This is found in human beings after being injected in their deltoid, and
sampling by fine needle aspiration in their axilla. These RNAs are sticking
around continuing to produce high levels of spike protein for 60 days or longer.
They didn’t test beyond 60 days. The levels of spike protein being produced are
far in excess of the levels that are observed in your blood after you get a
natural infection.

That now makes sense out of some of the adverse-event profiles. One of the
things that’s been confusing is why would you see more adverse events with the
vaccine than you would see with the infection? Now, we have data showing the
level of spike protein in your blood is much higher after the vaccination,
compared to what you get after you get an infection. So we this increasing
granularity of knowledge, acknowledgement of the broad spectrum of adverse
events, and the clear lack of effectiveness, to prove that these vaccines are
not stopping infection, replication and transmission. Someone at the Washington
Post called me a liar when I said this on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.
Yet, here it is. It’s widely acknowledged, just as I had observed back then.
They are not acting like vaccines.

They’re not providing durable protection.  Increasingly, the data is
demonstrating that these products are in a dose-dependent manner, which is key
for scientists. If you want to have a causative relationship between a drug and
an adverse event, you’ll want to see that as you give more drug, you get more
adverse events. This makes sense. We’re observing that now. We’re observing the
cardiotoxicity. The cardiologists that are looking at this in a more and more
granular way, never mind the anecdotal—all the high performing athletes and
weightlifters, I’ll say this gently, “spontaneously expiring” on the field in
the middle of high performance sports activities at rates that seem to be
unprecedented. Despite all that, we are now seeing more and more and more data
that the cardiotoxicity, the myocarditis is actually quite prevalent—and that’s
just relying on clinical myocarditis, which means it has caused so much damage
that it put you in the hospital.

We call it a grade-four adverse event. That’s a big deal in medicine. A drug
caused you to go to the hospital. That’s a big deal. Now what we are seeing is
that cardiologists and others have become sensitized to this risk. There are
tests that can be performed like troponin assays and certain types of MRI scans,
functional tests. We’re seeing evidence that it may actually be that a majority
of young males that receive these vaccines are having cardiac damage.
Furthermore, it’s long been known that myocarditis, on average, before a
vaccine,viral or otherwise, had something like a 15 to 20 per cent mortality
rate at a five year horizon. As the data comes in, and remember it hasn’t been
that long, what the cardiologists are telling me is that they’re observing
morbidity and mortality, meaning disease and death, that is tracking along the
same lines as would be observed with classical myocarditis.

As the CDC disclosed that myocarditis was a problem, which we discussed in our
prior interviews, the story promoted in the press—how else do you say it, it’s
propaganda in my opinion—the messaging that was promoted in the legacy media
mainstream media was that this is mild myocarditis and in the children are
recovering, and they’re not going to have problems with it. That’s not what the
data is showing now. The data is showing that these young boys, also young
girls, just at a lower incidence, there seems to be a testosterone co-factor in
this, they’re not recovering. As I’ve been saying all along, the heart muscle
doesn’t heal its scars. I fear that not only do we have this cancer risk, but we
also have this long term heart damage risk.

I was also interviewed on Monday by Del Bigtree, together with Ryan Cole and
Richard Urso. In their long-term prognosis they very much focused on the T-cell
damage and the potential consequences of that. Del turned to me last, so I got
to bat clean-up. I mentioned the cardiac problem. There is another one that’s
coming out now more and more, but it’s still anecdotal. It’s clear that
obstetricians and pediatricians have been strongly encouraged to, let’s say, not
report these things, but there is more and more data coming out. Not only do we
see dysmenorrhea or menometrorrhagia, these alterations in menses, there is the
observation that elderly postmenopausal women suddenly start having menses after
taking the vaccine. That’s a very odd finding. It suggests something with the
ovary. We know these lipids go to the ovary, because the Pfizer documents. Now
we’re hearing these reports of spontaneous abortions, birth defects and
paradoxical infant death shortly after delivery that seem to be tracking at
significantly higher rates than is normally observed.

These are all things that can occur during pregnancy. They are known risks of
pregnancy, but they have very well-characterized rates. This has been a worry.
You’ll recall that on the basis of very scanty data, there were strong
statements by the CDC encouraging women to take these experimental products
during pregnancy. Now, the data is coming out in multiple threads that suggest
there is reproductive toxicology problems, which is something that I have also
been warning about, as have many of my colleagues. So, you ask why such a
controversial statement? “We should stop these injections.” I’ll just read it
again. “We declare, in the data confirmed, that the COVID-19 experimental
genetic therapy injections must end.”

Mr. Jekielek: What I’m hearing is that there’s a lot that’s unknown. Clearly,
there are all these signals that need to be studied at length. At the same time,
there’s this other piece, which is that COVD is actually treatable.

Dr. Malone: Precisely, and preventable with vitamin D. That’s the other shocking
thing. There are virtually no deaths from this disease in people who have
vitamin D levels in their plasma, in their blood above 50 nanograms/ml.

Mr. Jekielek: How could you know that? That is an astounding thing to say. I
understand that vitamin D is very important. 

Dr. Malone: There are actually many studies out now, including double blind
randomized placebo control trials. It turns out this is a thread that goes back
to 2006 with influenza. You may or may not recall the day that I went and spoke
to the truckers in Hagerstown, Maryland. Paradoxically, on that same afternoon I
gave that speech, out of the blue I got a call from a physician. He has
intelligence community ties, and this researcher was part of a team that had
undertaken a study in which they mined data. They looked at the data records
from the Department of Defense Health System for soldiers, and looked at the
morbidity and mortality for influenza. Because when soldiers get influenza,
they’re not ready for battle, and that matters. He was given the task of
analyzing this data and try to figure out what the co-factors were, the
differentiate between the ones that were taken out by influenza and
incapacitated, versus the ones that were just shrugging it off and staying
functional. 

What he discovered was clear, statistically rigorous proof that vitamin D levels
explained those differences. The story he tells me is that he was assigned to go
visit Dr. Fauci, thinking this is important information. “We’re going to invest
all kinds of money and promote vitamin D based on your exceptional work and
findings of your team.” Instead, what he was told, per his relating the story to
me, was the phrase, “We don’t use drugs to treat influenza. We treat influenza
with vaccines only.” And with that, it died.” The point is, this policy that
we’ve seen roll out here with this particular RNA respiratory virus, and its
role with vitamin D, goes way back to the mid-2000s, when the same leadership at
the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Disease made a clear and
unequivocal decision to not pursue the importance of vitamin D in preventing
respiratory disease. 

The data is indisputable. Sufficient levels of vitamin D are necessary to
support your health, particularly your T-cell population. What a surprise. We
keep coming back to that same thing, and it costs pennies. The thing that I find
most astounding is the reports that I hear again and again from patients that
went to their doctor and wanted their vitamin-D level tested. It is a simple,
inexpensive test, and their doctor refused to do it.

It is such a simple thing. It would cost pennies. It would quench this outbreak.
If we’re really worried about resurgence next fall, if we’re really worried
about Geert Vanden Bossche’s troubling predictions, we would do as Bill Gates
has now endorsed. I hate citing Bill Gates with anything having to do with
public health. The man never even graduated from college, let alone go to
medical school or get a PhD, but he is considered to be such an important voice
in public health by the legacy media and by governments all over the world. He’s
the major funder, as I understand it, of the World Health Organization. Then he
comes out with the statement, I’m paraphrasing here, “We blew it by focusing
only on vaccines. For the next outbreak, the next pandemic, we have to be ready
with drugs.”

I find that fascinating, because that has been my position since January 4th,
2020, when I got that infamous phone call. That’s why I focused on repurposed
drugs. In my opinion, as a vaccinologist, vaccines are good for some things, but
they’re not good for everything. I always use the phrase, “Give a three year old
a hammer and everything becomes a nail.” For some reason, the NIAID (National
Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases) and our entire public health
infrastructure has elected to focus just on vaccines, and in particular,
promoting new vaccines. It hasn’t allowed alternative approaches, including
approaches that just have to do with good health, and that can have a huge
impact on your risk from this disease. You know that diabetes and obesity, in
addition to extreme age, are our biggest risk-factors, and those are
lifestyle-preventable diseases. 

Even in the face of diabetes and morbid obesity, which by the way interferes
with vitamin D availability, those are interacting variables, we can have a huge
impact on the risk by strengthening people’s immune systems. We can do that by
not just giving them enough vitamin D to prevent them from getting rickets,
which is an obvious baseline thing, but enough vitamin D to keep their immune
systems functioning. This is particularly important for African Americans and
individuals of color, operating in Northern climates and working in an office
space and places like that. 

Their skin coloration is designed for latitudes where they’re exposed to a lot
more sun, and that’s no longer happening. It doesn’t happen here in the Northern
hemisphere, and they are highly susceptible to very low levels of vitamin D.
There’s other genetic risk factors that have been identified that are curiously
aligned with this virus. But in particular, there’s a good chance that if the
government would just do some simple public health messaging saying, “Go get
your blood levels drawn and get your vitamin D levels up above 50 nanograms/ml.”
That would make a huge difference, and that would cost pennies. It is important
to get your blood levels tested. 

A lot of people will ask me, “Oh, can I just take more vitamin D?” Well, the
answer is maybe. You can get toxicity from too much vitamin D, and different
people absorb vitamin D at different levels. As I mentioned, your body mass
index, your obesity and things like that, will modulate your free vitamin D,
which is what matters. The test is cheap, so get the test and get some guidance.
It’s simple counseling to say, “Hey, you should take this much vitamin D.”

I had low vitamin D levels, when I got infected and had severe disease in
February. My vitamin D levels were down in single digits. I should have been
taken more vitamin D, I’m not perfect. None of us are, we’ve learned all these
things over time. You ask, is the data there? Yes, it is. I am not aware,
neither are the docs like Peter McCullough and Ryan Cole, of any cases of
COVID-associated death, where the death is clearly attributable to COVID, that
had vitamin D levels above or equal to 50 ng/mL. 

In other words, 50 ng/mL seems to be the threshold where there’s a big change in
mortality. There may be a case of somebody with cystic fibrosis who had adequate
vitamin D levels and still expired after they got infected. I have no knowledge
of that. I’m not aware of that case being reported in the literature, that
hypothetical case. The preponderance of evidence is very clear, 50 ng/mL is not
an optimal level.

It’s the point of inflection in the curve. So higher levels can be even more
beneficial. This is something that really deserves a discussion between the
patient and the physician supported by a blood test. There can be problems with
high zone vitamin D toxicity, but that’s at much higher levels and 50 seems to
be the cutoff where the curve goes from one to another. When you get above that,
it appears that there is virtually no mortality from COVID 19 in individuals
that are at 50 nanograms or above.

Mr. Jekielek: That’s an incredible reality to be faced with and a very obvious
public health direction to be explored. Dr. Malone, any final thoughts as we
finish up?

Dr. Malone: Yes, Jan. As you know, I always like to  end on a positive note. One
of the things that I’m hearing a lot about from patients in general public is
the thread that the entire medical profession is corrupt. That is what they have
observed, those that have been tracking these events and these, let’s say it
gently, misstatements that have come out from the government. They’ve
interpreted that as evidence that the entire medical and healthcare system is
corrupt in some way. I just want to close with, if you don’t mind, that is not
what I’m observing. We have 17,000 physicians and medical scientists that are
speaking up. As I travel, I have people, physicians, nurses, physicians
assistants coming up to me and saying, “Thank you, I felt so alone. When you and
your colleagues spoke out, I realized I wasn’t alone.”

There are so many strong disincentives, financially and otherwise, and careers
are compromised. You can’t pay your mortgage. You can’t get your kids into
school if you speak out. There has been so much intimidation and defamation and
pressure on healthcare providers to not speak out about their observations. I
ask the public, please don’t interpret that as everybody is corrupt. It’s easy
to get dark and black in these times after what we’ve seen. We do have some
major systemic problems and it’s going to be hard to fix them. I have seen, and
I hope your audience has seen that my actions and behaviors demonstrate that
there are still many physicians and medical care providers that are committed to
the Hippocratic oath and to the fundamentals of patient consent in medical
ethics in general. Don’t lose hope. We’ll get there, but we got some things to
fix. If we all pull together, we can fix what we have to fix.

Mr. Jekielek: Dr. Robert Malone, it’s such a pleasure to have you on again.

Dr. Malone: Thanks Jan.

 

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