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HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU MAKE?
Posted by Alwyn (SWZD) on Sep 25th, 2023 at 2:11 PM
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The Voice of IT Quizzes, Polls, & Lists
Lots of taboos around this question, so the poll will be strictly anonymous this
week. I think it is something good to talk about in a general sense though, so
that we all can see real numbers. I was researching the topic just now and
there are tons of sites that say they know what the average annual salary is,
but very few of them agree, even when they are talking about the same
currency... so to the extent that we can, let's find out what that looks like in
our community.
Of course there are a range of job titles in IT, and I'm not including job
titles in the poll. Nor am I factoring in location or how long someone has been
with a certain company, which also affect salaries to some extent. We can weed
out some things though. For this poll, we aren't counting any extras like
benefits, or bonuses and other things that factor in to the total cost to the
company. We're only talking about actual salary, so you don't have to calculate
those extras. It's still going to be very general information, but probably
interesting anyway. :)
Vote in our anonymous poll below, and share any thoughts you have in the
comments. :)
WHAT IS YOUR ANNUAL SALARY?
747 votes by 747 users
Submit your vote
* 70,000-80,000 USD | 57,000-65,000 GBP | 94,000-108,000 CAD | 109,000-125,000
AUD
118 votes (16%)
* 100,000-120,000 USD | 82,000-98,000 GBP | 135,000-161,000 CAD |
156,000-187,000 AUD
103 votes (14%)
* 80,000-90,000 USD | 65,000-74,000 GBP | 108,000-121,000 CAD | 125,000-140,000
AUD
98 votes (13%)
* 50,000-60,000 USD | 41,000-49,000 GBP | 67,000-81,000 CAD | 78,000-93,000 AUD
79 votes (11%)
* 60,000-70,000 USD | 49,000-57,000 GBP | 81,000-94,000 CAD | 93,000-109,000
AUD
67 votes (9%)
* 40,000-50,000 USD | 33,000-41,000 GBP | 54,000-67,000 CAD | 62,000-78,000 AUD
62 votes (8%)
* 120,000-140,000 USD | 98,000-114,000 GBP | 161,000-188,000 CAD |
187,000-218,000 AUD
58 votes (8%)
* 90,000-100,000 USD | 74,000-82,000 GBP | 121,000-135,000 CAD | 140,000-156,00
AUD
58 votes (8%)
* 30,000-40,000 USD | 25,000-33,000 GBP | 40,000-54,000 CAD | 47,000-62,000 AUD
30 votes (4%)
* 140,000-160,000 USD | 114,000-131,000 GBP | 188,000-215,000 CAD |
218,000-249,000 AUD
21 votes (3%)
* 160,000-180,000 USD | 131,000-147,000 GBP | 215,000-242,000 CAD |
249,000-280,000 AUD
13 votes (2%)
* 20,000-30,000 USD | 16,000-25,000 GBP | 27,000-40,000 CAD | 31,000-47,000 AUD
11 votes (1%)
* 180,000-200,000 USD | 147,000-163,000 GBP | 242,000-269,000 CAD |
280,000-311,000 AUD
10 votes (1%)
* Less than the ranges listed
8 votes (1%)
* 250,000-300,000 USD | 204,000-245,000 GBP | 336,000-404,000 CAD |
389,000-467,000 AUD
5 votes (1%)
* 200,000-250,000 USD | 163,000-204,000 GBP | 269,000-336,000 CAD |
311,000-389,000 AUD
3 votes (0%)
* 300,000-400,000 USD | 245,000-327,000 GBP | 404,000-538,000 CAD |
467,000-623,000 AUD
2 votes (0%)
* More than any of the ranges listed
1 vote (0%)
* 400,000-500,000 USD | 327,000-409,000 GBP | 538,000-673,000 CAD |
623,000-778,000 AUD
0 votes (0%)
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* thomastheobald2
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serrano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 2:21 PM
IT is one of those careers that is deceptively hard to get paid what we're
worth, and by nature our "type" of person isn't always comfortable talking
money.
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thai pepper
Sep 25th, 2023 at 2:40 PM
There is a public perception that IT pays huge amounts of money starting day
one with zero experience. I've heard many urban myth type stories how
someone they know started at $200K with an A+ cert. I'm sure it could happen
if your family owns the business, but I seriously doubt it happens all that
often.
Sadly, since IT is quite often an overhead cost, the opposite is
overwhelmingly the case.
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* Kenny8416
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ghost chili
Sep 25th, 2023 at 3:07 PM
Since no one else has said it yet - where is the "not enough" option?
I agree with jeffjones11 too many adverts for cert training courses that
imply, do this course and you'll walk in to a high end, high paid IT job
which is false advertising and gives others the impression we're all being
paid huge amounts
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ghost chili
Sep 25th, 2023 at 3:09 PM
Not nearly enough!
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* Evan7191
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 3:10 PM
> jeffjones11 wrote:
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> I've heard many urban myth type stories how someone they know started at
> $200K with an A+ cert.
I had an A+ cert and started 15 years ago at $35,000 annually in the
Washington, DC area.
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tabasco
Sep 25th, 2023 at 3:19 PM
Not enough.
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serrano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 3:23 PM
That was harsher than scrolling down to find my birth year.. yay Monday!
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* Kendell
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tabasco
Sep 25th, 2023 at 3:24 PM
Nobody is going to become a billionaire doing IT. It's just a job in that
sense. To make matters worse, IT is generally not a revenue generating
department, therefore it is an expense on the books. Never mind that no
other portion of the modern business can function properly unless we do our
jobs well.
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poblano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 3:28 PM
Why are British Pounds included but not the Euro? We are people too :-(
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ghost chili
Sep 25th, 2023 at 3:44 PM
> mvankammen wrote:
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> Why are British Pounds included but not the Euro? We are people too :-(
Sorry, there just wasn't enough room to do more. We tried to get in all the
biggest English-speaking countries that visit this site often, but there are
a bunch of places left out. Apologies.
Here are Euro conversions:
20,000 USD = 19,000 Euro
30,000 USD = 28,000 Euro
40,000 USD = 38,000 Euro
50,000 USD = 47,000 Euro
60,000 USD = 57,000 Euro
70,000 USD = 66,000 Euro
80,000 USD = 76,000 Euro
100,000 USD = 94,000 Euro
120,000 USD = 113,000 Euro
140,000 USD = 132,000 Euro
160,000 USD = 151,000 Euro
180,000 USD = 170,000 Euro
200,000 USD = 189,000 Euro
250,000 USD = 236,000 Euro
300,000 USD = 283,000 Euro
400,000 USD = 377,000 Euro
500,000 USD = 472,000 Euro
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anaheim
Sep 25th, 2023 at 4:09 PM
Would be nice to see how many years we work to get the amount of salary
selected though it would be hard to stay anonymous.
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 4:59 PM
That's Salary. Now the next poll should be how many Hours do you work?
Sure in any given week it may be 40-45. But there are always those outlier
days/weeks at 60-80.
If you figure even just once a month you work an extra 10 hours - that's
almost an extra 2 weeks in a year.
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jalapeno
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:00 PM
id like to meet the person who's in this pay range 327,000-409,000 GBP
Highest paid IT job i've seen was for an IT Director at that was offering
£160,000
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:06 PM
I took me 17 years to get the experience and training to get to $75K. I
started with A+ cert at $36K.
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habanero
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:08 PM
> DashCat wrote:
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> Would be nice to see how many years we work to get the amount of salary
> selected though it would be hard to stay anonymous.
How many years plus what level the position is. Those two things would give
context for the ranges, for sure.
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habanero
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:12 PM
Enough to get the bills paid.
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jalapeno
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:15 PM
...and region, too (although I know that's beyond the scope of the poll). IT
pay in San Francisco, CA vs. Biloxi, MS is on a totally different scale.
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habanero
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:18 PM
I've been treated well in my IT career, especially over the past 10 years, in
total I've been in the field for 24 years now. Too busy now for a few years
to put any time into Spiceworks, but my career is going better than ever
:).
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thai pepper
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:22 PM
In most companies, IT is a cost center not a revenue center. So other then
lowering staff count, reducing salaries is the next best way to save.
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:26 PM
> Evan7191 wrote:
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> > jeffjones11 wrote:
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> > I've heard many urban myth type stories how someone they know started at
> > $200K with an A+ cert.
>
> I had an A+ cert and started 15 years ago at $35,000 annually in the
> Washington, DC area.
>
> + expand
I had an A+ cert and a Cisco CCNA cert and started 22 years ago in the
upstate NY area for about $22,000 annually, although it was at a nonprofit.
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ghost chili
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:27 PM
It usually depends on the industry you are in. If you work for something like
Google or Apple, it will be up there, if you work for a Public School
District, you probably won't be anywhere on this list. That and the area you
live, If you are in Silicon Valley, it is very competitive, If you are in a
relatively rural area, it can be anywhere, especially if there isn't any real
competition.
One of these days I will take the test to get my A+ Cert (Not really).While I
did take the class, I never took the test. I do have the skills to make a A+
"certified" tech look incompetent, I just have never taken the cert test.
Most people will take experience over the cert any day of the week.
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serrano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:44 PM
NOT ENOUGH $$ !!
I didn't see a radio button for that.
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poblano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:46 PM
To "Kendell"
Not true, IT dept helps a company generate money because it maintains
networks and system up and gurantees business continutiy. Without a good IT
Dept, nothing will work right and outages will be a daily event.
Unfortunately, most companies do not even appreciate what IT folks go through
everyday just to keep things running.
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jalapeno
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:49 PM
> Burt0s wrote:
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> id like to meet the person who's in this pay range 327,000-409,000 GBP
>
> Highest paid IT job i've seen was for an IT Director at that was offering
> £160,000
Recently dated a gal who was the former Corporate Head of IT for PayPal here
in the California Bay Area. not only was her Salary around $500,000 a year,
her yearly bonus was over that. so it is possible. :)
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serrano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 5:54 PM
not enjoying how far I had to scroll down on that
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mace
Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:00 PM
> abdou6585 wrote:
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> To "Kendell"
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> Not true, IT dept helps a company generate money because it maintains
> networks and system up and gurantees business continutiy. Without a good IT
> Dept, nothing will work right and outages will be a daily event.
> Unfortunately, most companies do not even appreciate what IT folks go
> through everyday just to keep things running.
You Reference the SysAdmin Paradox
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jalapeno
Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:01 PM
Yep and I have ZERO certifications and still make what I consider very
reasonable money.
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:02 PM
> dwo1064 wrote:
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> That's Salary. Now the next poll should be how many Hours do you work?
>
> Sure in any given week it may be 40-45. But there are always those outlier
> days/weeks at 60-80.
>
> If you figure even just once a month you work an extra 10 hours - that's
> almost an extra 2 weeks in a year.
Good point - my hourly rate some weeks is probably less than $20/hour lol....
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:12 PM
> abdou6585 wrote:
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> To "Kendell"
>
> Not true, IT dept helps a company generate money because it maintains
> networks and system up and gurantees business continutiy. Without a good IT
> Dept, nothing will work right and outages will be a daily event.
> Unfortunately, most companies do not even appreciate what IT folks go
> through everyday just to keep things running.
While this is true, no one in upper management ever sees that. It is very
hard to show that on paper as well. They only thing they see coming out of
the IT Department is cost. They never see that the cost is going to better
uptime/performance/work satisfaction. They only complain if the internet is
"slow" or the Wifi sucks. They never notice how good things are until that is
compromised. They never see how much preventative maintenance and locking
down of systems happens and how much doing the back end work prevents issues
and improves their experience. If they notice, it is because that are in the
minority.
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anaheim
Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:16 PM
I was a corporate big-energy I.T. guy for 25 years (and also did a little
side work) and then a pure indie for the last 18 years. I voluntarily left
corporate life in 2006 making about $95k. But I was sick of the grind. I
don't make that as an indie partly because I limit my hours in order to
pursue other interests. But I still make decent money at it.
In all my days since the early 80's working for many, many clients, I've only
been asked one single time what certs I held. I said none, explained why, and
was hired anyway.
Maybe my story is uncommon or even rare, I can't say. But for me, certs have
not opened any doors or yielded higher pay.
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serrano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:27 PM
22 years ago when I started here, I came on board making about $33K/year,
USD. Before that, I worked as a Systems Administrator for two Junior High
Schools, consecutively, making about $13K/year at either. I moved to a new
state I had never been to and started my family when I got this job. My wage
has steadily increased year over year and I make what feels like a million
dollars, now. But with that personal growth came my contribution to the
growth of the company, which has been on a steady climb ever since I started
here. I jokingly tell people the company growth is solely due to my
employment, but I'm the entire IT department and there's actually a modicum
of truth, there. We would absolutely not be where we are without the
technological advancements I've pushed in the business. I'm a company man,
and I'm proud of the compensation I get for my contribution to the company I
work for.
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cayenne
Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:31 PM
Certifications didn't really do me any good. I was MCP for NT 4.0 when i
started. Made about 35k US. I got server 2003/XP certified and jumped up to
45K. Until i hit about 10 years experience I didn't make good money. Now with
20+ years I'm finally making pretty good money.
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:43 PM
> DashCat wrote:
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> Would be nice to see how many years we work to get the amount of salary
> selected though it would be hard to stay anonymous.
12 years for me but the increased cost of housing and other bills makes it a
wash.
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mace
Sep 25th, 2023 at 6:55 PM
When I add insurance coverages my total compensation boosts two levels over
my "salary". I split the difference.
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:00 PM
I make enough to have a very comfortable life. I have never discussed my
salary with anyone at my job I found it would cause hard feelings. I just
recently told my very best friend of 42 years what I made and found out he
was making about the same before he retired. All this time I though he was
making much less and did not want him to feel bad. When I retire, I will be
making much less but with my wife's retirement pension we should be able to
live okl if we tighten our belts a little.
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:24 PM
Definitely not enough and no where near what I am worth!
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serrano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:24 PM
> Gorfmaster1 wrote:
>
> > abdou6585 wrote:
> >
> > To "Kendell"
> >
> > Not true, IT dept helps a company generate money because it maintains
> > networks and system up and gurantees business continutiy. Without a good
> > IT Dept, nothing will work right and outages will be a daily event.
> > Unfortunately, most companies do not even appreciate what IT folks go
> > through everyday just to keep things running.
>
> While this is true, no one in upper management ever sees that. It is very
> hard to show that on paper as well. They only thing they see coming out of
> the IT Department is cost. They never see that the cost is going to better
> uptime/performance/work satisfaction. They only complain if the internet is
> "slow" or the Wifi sucks. They never notice how good things are until that
> is compromised. They never see how much preventative maintenance and
> locking down of systems happens and how much doing the back end work
> prevents issues and improves their experience. If they notice, it is
> because that are in the minority.
>
> + expand
That is an upper management failure. I can tell you that our CISO has
heavily influenced our CIO on the value our security organization including
providing data on what a security breach means directly and indirectly
through reputation. Our CIO has supported IT in general at the Board.
One thing that I've seen many people in IT not like is metrics. Metrics are
life. You have to show value to the business. How long does it take a
teammate at the clinic to do task X before release, how much time after
release does it take.
IT for most places is a cost center which makes it critical to show how you
help with revenue generation.
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chipotle
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:27 PM
My salary makes me SICK.
I feel like I'm constantly fighting in a toxic catch 22 situation.
I need more qualifications to get a better pay but need a better pay to
afford the qualifications... which within 6 months are bloody worthless
anyway.
I'm sick of the sector of the industry I'm in and I really really REALLY
don't know how to get out of it.
To say I'm lost, frustrated, demoralised and demotivated doesn't even scuff
(nevermind scratch) the surface.
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jalapeno
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:33 PM
Not enough unfortunately. I like where I live, but it's far too expensive to
live here (beautiful mountain town, but swarming with tourists with deep
pockets and employers who can get away with paying you almost the same as
minimum wage for an IT gig). And with a job that pays almost half a year of
what a job in the city would, moving to the city is arguably the best option.
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pure capsaicin
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:33 PM
> More than any of the ranges listed
How can I apply?
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mace
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:34 PM
> IDriveAKeyboard wrote:
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> My salary makes me SICK.
> I feel like I'm constantly fighting in a toxic catch 22 situation.
> I need more qualifications to get a better pay but need a better pay to
> afford the qualifications... which within 6 months are bloody worthless
> anyway.
>
> I'm sick of the sector of the industry I'm in and I really really REALLY
> don't know how to get out of it.
> To say I'm lost, frustrated, demoralised and demotivated doesn't even scuff
> (nevermind scratch) the surface.
Here's a more interesting catch 22. Certifications only provide value if you
are looking to leave your job. I know of nobody who went out and got certs
and their job said oh hey we're going to boost your salary now because you
got certs. The company you currently work for doesn't put any value on
them. I don't have any. If my company wanted to pay for them I'd go out and
get some but I find it rare that any companies do anymore unless you are
working in consulting where having those certs makes you more marketable to
clients.
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jalapeno
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:34 PM
> IDriveAKeyboard wrote:
>
> My salary makes me SICK.
> I feel like I'm constantly fighting in a toxic catch 22 situation.
> I need more qualifications to get a better pay but need a better pay to
> afford the qualifications... which within 6 months are bloody worthless
> anyway.
>
> I'm sick of the sector of the industry I'm in and I really really REALLY
> don't know how to get out of it.
> To say I'm lost, frustrated, demoralised and demotivated doesn't even scuff
> (nevermind scratch) the surface.
Most employers these days don't really care about certs or qualifications.
They care more about experience in the field. How you approach problems, etc.
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mace
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:41 PM
After over 30 years experience in IT, I still get recruiters trying to get me
to apply for a %15 per hour job!
One thing to note when comparing wages between countries, the cost of living
needs to be taken into account. US wages are 2-4 times larger than UK, but
we usually have to pay for healthcare insurance. Also general cost of living
is 2-4 times greater in the USA than the UK, based on my experience working
in Florida.
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serrano
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:45 PM
> Gorfmaster1 wrote:
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> It usually depends on the industry you are in. If you work for something
> like Google or Apple, it will be up there, if you work for a Public School
> District, you probably won't be anywhere on this list. That and the area
> you live, If you are in Silicon Valley, it is very competitive, If you are
> in a relatively rural area, it can be anywhere, especially if there isn't
> any real competition.
>
> One of these days I will take the test to get my A+ Cert (Not really).While
> I did take the class, I never took the test. I do have the skills to make a
> A+ "certified" tech look incompetent, I just have never taken the cert
> test. Most people will take experience over the cert any day of the week.
Gorfmaster1
I worked for Apple for almost 8 years, and the pay was anything but 'up
there'. I make more now working for a much smaller company in a very rural
area, but still not close to what I think is appropriate given nearly 30
years of experience.
I have no certs, and no degree, but at this point, I would retire prior to
being able to pay off loans to get those things.
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ghost chili
Sep 25th, 2023 at 7:46 PM
I only included my steady part-time position at the library. I make 3 times
as much per hour with my independent contracting, but that varies wildly. If
I were full-time, I'd make double what I do, but that isn't likely to happen.
Fortunately, my wife and I both work, so we live comfortably. Not
extravagantly, but we are comfortable.
I have over 30 years experience and 2 degrees, but I don't make much. If I
were willing to ditch IT, I could make a h311 of a lot more, but job
satisfaction is worth more to me than $$$.
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mace
Sep 25th, 2023 at 8:05 PM
On a Monday? We need to be reminded on a Monday? On second thought, with
Monday usually screwed anyway, better than wrecking the weekend by posting
this on Friday.
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Sep 25th, 2023 at 8:10 PM
> Gorfmaster1 wrote:
>
> It usually depends on the industry you are in. If you work for something
> like Google or Apple, it will be up there, if you work for a Public School
> District, you probably won't be anywhere on this list. That and the area
> you live, If you are in Silicon Valley, it is very competitive, If you are
> in a relatively rural area, it can be anywhere, especially if there isn't
> any real competition.
>
> One of these days I will take the test to get my A+ Cert (Not really).While
> I did take the class, I never took the test. I do have the skills to make a
> A+ "certified" tech look incompetent, I just have never taken the cert
> test. Most people will take experience over the cert any day of the week.
Not true, at least in Canada, where public employees are paid on par or
higher than private sector plus get a full pension. As for certs being
questionable, I agree after having to interview candidates who had been
through a cert mill during the late 90s and had never actually seen a server,
but man they could regurgitate Microsoft answers on cue.
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thai pepper
Sep 25th, 2023 at 8:13 PM
Enough to get by... Oddly though, I find that the more I make, the more we
spend, so it always seems to be "Enough to get by."
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mace
Sep 25th, 2023 at 8:16 PM
> The Repairatrooper wrote:
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> > Gorfmaster1 wrote:
> >
> > It usually depends on the industry you are in. If you work for something
> > like Google or Apple, it will be up there, if you work for a Public
> > School District, you probably won't be anywhere on this list. That and
> > the area you live, If you are in Silicon Valley, it is very competitive,
> > If you are in a relatively rural area, it can be anywhere, especially if
> > there isn't any real competition.
> >
> > One of these days I will take the test to get my A+ Cert (Not
> > really).While I did take the class, I never took the test. I do have the
> > skills to make a A+ "certified" tech look incompetent, I just have never
> > taken the cert test. Most people will take experience over the cert any
> > day of the week.
>
> Not true, at least in Canada, where public employees are paid on par or
> higher than private sector plus get a full pension. As for certs being
> questionable, I agree after having to interview candidates who had been
> through a cert mill during the late 90s and had never actually seen a
> server, but man they could regurgitate Microsoft answers on cue.
>
> + expand
The amount of "Paper" MCSE and CNEs out there was staggering. We once hired
a guy with a Lotus Notes certification. It was very obvious early on he had
no idea how to actually use the product.
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