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* Board index * FAQ * Search * Unread posts * Unanswered topics * Active topics * * The team * Login * Register * * Unread posts * Unanswered topics * Active topics * FAQ * Search * The team * Unread posts * Advanced Search * Register * Login * Board index TALKIES Talking About Talkies THE WICKER MAN (1973) -ANIMAL CRUELTY? Open, general discussion of classic sound-era films, personalities and history. Post Reply * Print view Search Advanced search First unread post • 7 posts • Page 1 of 1 earlytalkiebuffRob Posts: 7559 Joined: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:53 am Location: Southsea, England THE WICKER MAN (1973) -ANIMAL CRUELTY? * Quote * Unread post by earlytalkiebuffRob » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:38 am Rewatching this film a few years back I was concerned about mistreatment of animals during its production, particularly in the horrific fire sequence. In the Wiki article Britt Ekland is recorded as saying that some animals were killed during production, whereas author Robin Hardy said that care was taken in this department and that the Wicker Man of the title had no animals within when it was set ablaze. Any info? Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TheRedLadder Posts: 35 Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:56 am RE: THE WICKER MAN (1973) -ANIMAL CRUELTY? * Quote * Unread post by TheRedLadder » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:33 pm > earlytalkiebuffRob wrote: ↑ > Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:38 am > Rewatching this film a few years back I was concerned about mistreatment of > animals during its production, particularly in the horrific fire sequence. In > the Wiki article Britt Ekland is recorded as saying that some animals were > killed during production, whereas author Robin Hardy said that care was taken > in this department and that the Wicker Man of the title had no animals within > when it was set ablaze. Any info? I watched the original theatrical release of The Wicker Man a few nights ago for the first time, and found the goat screaming in the end sequence hands down the most disturbing moment of the entire film. Included on the same disc was a half hour documentary The Wicker Enigma , where someone involved in the production, I can't remember who, said that care was taken to protect the animals from the flames and that they were unharmed, even if clearly in distress, with a goat even urinating on Edward Woodward continuously. When faced with accusations of animal cruelty at the time, this individual responded quite tongue-in-cheek with something like "only the soft, cuddly animals" were or would be harmed, and apparently put the accusations to bed at the time of production. Apparently Britt Ekland held some ill will against the film for a number of years, refusing to speak of her experience until more recently, largely over the body double used in the full-length shots of the nude scene and the size of her backside. There's still debate over who her double actually was and whether or not Ekland had her speaking voice dubbed over as was once believed. Out of everyone involved in the production, its pretty likely that she of all people would make such accusations, not to say that I don't believe there is at least something to them, or that the truth really lies somewhere in-between. I can't fathom how they would have ensured the safety of all those animals when given the restraints of the production, when using such practical effects and with Woodward's safety their obvious main concern. The Wicker Man strikes me as one of those films that's so wrapped up in its own mythology at this point, one stoked largely by a devoted fanbase, that we'll never truly know. Last edited by TheRedLadder on Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:31 pm, edited 1 time in total. Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- earlytalkiebuffRob Posts: 7559 Joined: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:53 am Location: Southsea, England RE: THE WICKER MAN (1973) -ANIMAL CRUELTY? * Quote * Unread post by earlytalkiebuffRob » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:01 pm Yes, my issue here is not just physical harm, but any distress engendered in the making of the film. Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TheRedLadder Posts: 35 Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:56 am RE: THE WICKER MAN (1973) -ANIMAL CRUELTY? * Quote * Unread post by TheRedLadder » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:00 pm I've found the documentary on YouTube if you haven't seen it or if anyone else is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyMQxzyEsIQ I've little idea of the actual laws surrounding animal welfare in 70s Britain, but I'm pretty sure an animal's emotional distress would have been little considered. I wouldn't be surprised if just the shock of filming those scenes was enough to kill any of the animals involved. On the subject of Folk Horror, I honestly think 1971's Straw Dogs with Dustin Hoffman has to be included in the genre and is probably one of the most effective too in its use of a rural British setting to pit a fish out of water against a sinister local community. Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Gebert Site Admin Posts: 9147 Joined: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:23 pm Location: Chicago Contact: Contact Mike Gebert Website RE: THE WICKER MAN (1973) -ANIMAL CRUELTY? * Quote * Unread post by Mike Gebert » Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:52 pm Will no one think of the bees? There are no archival discoveries. There is only bad cataloguing. ―Alexander Horwath Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TheRedLadder Posts: 35 Joined: Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:56 am RE: THE WICKER MAN (1973) -ANIMAL CRUELTY? * Quote * Unread post by TheRedLadder » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:33 pm > Mike Gebert wrote: ↑ > Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:52 pm > Will no one think of the bees? No bees in '73's. Top -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- earlytalkiebuffRob Posts: 7559 Joined: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:53 am Location: Southsea, England RE: THE WICKER MAN (1973) -ANIMAL CRUELTY? * Quote * Unread post by earlytalkiebuffRob » Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:51 am > TheRedLadder wrote: ↑ > Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:00 pm > I've found the documentary on YouTube if you haven't seen it or if anyone else > is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyMQxzyEsIQ > > I've little idea of the actual laws surrounding animal welfare in 70s Britain, > but I'm pretty sure an animal's emotional distress would have been little > considered. I wouldn't be surprised if just the shock of filming those scenes > was enough to kill any of the animals involved. > > On the subject of Folk Horror, I honestly think 1971's Straw Dogs with Dustin > Hoffman has to be included in the genre and is probably one of the most > effective too in its use of a rural British setting to pit a fish out of water > against a sinister local community. No, not seen it, although I've got the book on its making somewhere. I can't recall reading anything about animal treatment in it, though. And it does appear that even directors one otherwise admires took little note of this issue. 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