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Why did you choose the TSX over the TL? And if not..

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I am probably going to save $$ for the 2013 models to come out but i love
Honda/Acura and after owning a 11' Accord, TOO slow/soft and not so luxury
obviously, i am going to sell it. But i just have a few questions....

Is the TL worth the extra 5 grand lets say for the base over the TSX?

At my age (19), is it a safer bet to go with TSX?

Also, i heard they were going to combine the two into the TLX? Should i wait for
late 2013 to find out? or wait till the end of this year at least?

Thanks! Looking forward for a good discussion.

-I am also comparing the Base/or SE TSX with the BASE TL
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Other than the extra room and the fact that there is a v6 and a 6 speed auto, I
don't see why you would pick the tl over the tsx.

Obviously, for me, those weren't important considering the price increase. The
tsx is a bit lighter and more tossable, thus it handles better. I think the tsx
has a nicer instrument cluster display. I do think the tl feels more solid
though and the driving position felt nice and snug.
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I just can't get over the tl's look
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When shopping in 09 couldnt get over the ugly fucking mug on that thing. God
damn was it hideous before the refresh.

Today? Id probably consider a ShAwd TL over a TSX
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I thought about a TL, but it's only 3 cubic feet bigger inside while it's 10"
longer. The V6 engine would be nice, but you can get the TSX V6 now. I think it
may be more the upper models (SH-AWD) than the base.

I'd stick with the TSX if you want to keep the price as close to the Accord as
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When shopping in 09 couldnt get over the ugly fucking mug on that thing. God
damn was it hideous before the refresh.

Today? Id probably consider a ShAwd TL over a TSX
+1. I could have gotten the 2010 TL 2WD for 300 bucks more than the TSX V6...
Its ugliness made me get the TSX V6.
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They make a TL wagon?
They make a TL with a folding rear seat?
They make a TL that isn't fugly?
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-Just the right size. I have always loved the size of the 3G TL and the 2G TSX
falls right in line, altho its a few inches (?) shorter.

-Handling. Had a 1G TSX for a year and it felt too smallish for me but very fun
to drive in the city limits so it swayed my decision.

-Gas mileage. Summer/holiday gas prices

-Styling. I don't find the TL's styling offensive, but I like the TSX's better.

-Comfort. Altho its not a big car, it feels more substantial than my 1G TSX
while keeping a sporty demeanor. Seats are better and it just feels right for
me, overall.

-Price. The used TL's were a bit more expensive when I was shopping. If my
wallet happens to fatten, I would seriously look at a '12 SH AWD TL, though.
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When we bought our 09, Acura was blowing out the 08 TL's. We could have bought
TL Tech cheaper then the Premium TSX[Canada]. The reason we didn't get the TL?
My wife didn't like the COVER for the cup holder. Yes, the cover.
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Honestly, for me it was pricing. I've owned two 3G TLs that I dearly loved.
Really wanted a nice, low mileage 4G TL as a replacement but the price jump was
steep. Found a super sweet deal on an incredibly low mileage (under 2K) '10 TSX
V6 Tech, so I bought it. I love it but do miss the room of the TL. I'll likely
replace this TSX V6 with a '12 TL Tech in a year or two. But for me it was
totally price. Having said that, I've been most impressed by my TSX. Would
definitely consider another one but only another V6 model. The 4 cylinder
doesn't interest me enough to own. I've been spoiled by the power of the 6
cylinder.
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1. Price
2. TSX is made in Japan vs. TL made in America
3. SIZE
4. Fuel economy

Those are the reasons my dad chose the TSX over the TL for me hahahaha.
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1) Gas
2) The size of a moon
3) Back in '10 when we were looing for a new car, that beak was BRUTAL to look
@, the refresh saved that car

Having said that the TL is nice to look @ me thinks. With all its angular & hard
lines I always think of it as the Japanese interpretation of an Audi, yes I know
its made in the US blah blah.

Does the TSX look better than it? Yeah for sure. I like the front, & front
3/4ths of the TSX, the back is just boring to me for some reason.

You're 19 lol either car would be nice tbh. More so if its your 1st car.
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TSX = built in jap. TL = built in america. if its not american muscle, i don't
trust it...

also preferred the looks, and the TSX was my price range, the TL was not. i
don't need the V6 though it'd be fun. i love the handling of the TSX
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Old TL was a HUUUGE HIT for ACURA!!!!

I looked at the new TL when I was shopping, never looked at it again. F'Ugly...

TSX is way way way better than TL.
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Old TL was a HUUUGE HIT for ACURA!!!!

I looked at the new TL when I was shopping, never looked at it again. F'Ugly...

TSX is way way way better than TL.
yea, im actually thinking that if i can find an 08 TLs in KBP with low miles, i
may have to take it haha
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OMG. I <3 your guys TL, they were hot pursuit cars in Avengers.
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Firstly, I love how you can swear in this forum and not get ** out. Lol.

Secondly, to the op, I drove the tl fully loaded with everything and wife and I
were not impressed. We looked at each other and said, 46k for THIS? We had just
driven the tsx SE off the showroom floor and fell in love with it already. The
interior room in the tl felt even snugger than the tsx. It also rode harsher,
and got far worse gas mileage, ESP in city.

So tsx was perfect size, looks, and appeal to us. The 4 cyl is plenty peppy. My
5.0 is my cure if I need grunt.
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In late 2009, I did not even consider the TL. It was too big, too ugly, too
expensive, too thirsty, and could not be had with a folding rear seat. I was
excited to have classic Honda agility with 6MT in the TSX. Honestly, unless
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at all, because the FWD model would not be a dynamic upgrade over the TSX. IMO,
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OMG. I <3 your guys TL, they were hot pursuit cars in Avengers.
And in the movie I'm pretty sure they all got destroyed in some way or another
lol
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And in the movie I'm pretty sure they all got destroyed in some way or another
lol
Acura should follow the avengers storyline and destroy all the 4G TL's...those
hideous beasts need to die.
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or the zdx. would love to see the hulk smash that.
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I didn't need a spaceship, so I got a TSX instead
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I have a '12 shawd and i have to agree i was not much of a fan of the 09-11
models.

I still dont think i would ever get a tsx just not my style to small and slow

Its a waste of money to get a v6 tsx when you can just get a base (tl'12) for
the same price(for the ones that said they didn't get a tl because of the beak)
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I have a '12 shawd and i have to agree i was not much of a fan of the 09-11
models.

I still dont think i would ever get a tsx just not my style to small and slow

Its a waste of money to get a v6 tsx when you can just get a base (tl'12) for
the same price(for the ones that said they didn't get a tl because of the beak)
I'm sure the SH-AWD is a blast to drive, I wont argue with that. If money isn't
an issue and you like the style of the TL then more power to you.

To say its a waste of money to get the TSX v6 is a bit harsh. You are saying
that its an upgrade to get the TL. I've gotten a 09-11 TL loaner twice, each for
a couple days, and I didn't like it compared to my TSX. The interior felt a
little more...cheap, and there were a few other things overall I didn't like.
Plus, I think the TSX looks a lot better compared to the TL(refresh looks a
little better but not enough to make me want to buy one). It is only an
"upgrade" because Acura tells you that the TL is a higher tier and advertises it
like crazy. To me, the TSX V6 and base TL are on equal tiers.

I have a feeling this thread is going to slowly turn into a TSX/TL war...

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Just did this exact comparison. I was brought into the showroom for the TSX but
could have leased a base TL for only $60 more per month.

I do like the style of the TL. I felt that the interior was a little better
assembled than the TSX, and I do enjoy the 6-cylinder smoothness. But the thing
is just too big (I owned a 2G and a 3G TL). The size, handling, and tossability
of the TSX is just perfect, and it gets far better gas mileage.

I am leasing now, but if they can hold the sizing of the TLX equal to the TSX,
and move it just a pinch upmarket, I will buy it.
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I'm sure the SH-AWD is a blast to drive, I wont argue with that. If money isn't
an issue and you like the style of the TL then more power to you.

I have a feeling this thread is going to slowly turn into a TSX/TL war...

I agree with you and the waste of money comment was just my opinion so plz dont
kill me tsx owners..lol

My daughters god father owns a tsx and im always in it ,so i 100% disagree with
you with the comparisons of the interior....leather,cabin noise,dash display
etc.Tl is in another league.

some people like tsx and i understand why it definetly has more pro's then
con's. Others choose tl's,to each is own.

i agree this thread might get ugly lol...hope not its just car convo
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its just a fancy overpriced accord.
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I agree with you and the waste of money comment was just my opinion so plz dont
kill me tsx owners..lol

My daughters god father owns a tsx and im always in it ,so i 100% disagree with
you with the comparisons of the interior....leather,cabin noise,dash display
etc.Tl is in another league.

some people like tsx and i understand why it definetly has more pro's then
con's. Others choose tl's,to each is own.

i agree this thread might get ugly lol...hope not its just car convo
I was comparing my 11 TSX to the 09-11 TL, and you are comparing your 12 TL to
what is probably the 09-10 TSX. If this is true, then we both arent exactly
comparing apples to apples. The refresh for TSX in 11 gave some small nice
upgrades(including a much nicer nav and different seats), and I'm sure the
refresh gave the 12 TL some similar upgrades as well.
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I was comparing my 11 TSX to the 09-11 TL, and you are comparing your 12 TL to
what is probably the 09-10 TSX. If this is true, then we both arent exactly
comparing apples to apples. The refresh for TSX in 11 gave some small nice
upgrades(including a much nicer nav and different seats), and I'm sure the
refresh gave the 12 TL some similar upgrades as well.
the interior is 98% the same from 09-11 to 12.

so your statement is invalid.
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no, i was comparing it to 09-11 tsx because i have been in them both.

the bottom line is that the TL is much better of a car in almost every aspect.
Yes you save on the gas with the 4 cylinders but who cares.

speaking for myself i got a '12 shawd because i couldn't afford a m5(smh).
people get tsx when they cant afford a tl, they just wont admit it...#LIFE
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people get tsx when they cant afford a tl, they just wont admit it...#LIFE
Not in all cases... When I was shopping for the TL in 2010, it is its look (the
beak) that I could not compromise on. 2010 TSX V6 and TL 2WD were the almost
same price... If I were buying it today (2012 MY), then I would prob. get the TL
due to it being "less ugly" now.
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I like both cars. Price for the tsx and gas prices made more sense for me. I am
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the 09+ tl is ugly as fawk on the outside. The interior and engine are suite.

I chose a lesser expensive car and one that had a chain driven motor.
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Yes, I got my TSX because I couldn't afford a TL. And everyone who gets a 3
series can't afford a 5 series. And everyone who gets a Corolla can't afford a
Camry. And...
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no, i was comparing it to 09-11 tsx because i have been in them both.

the bottom line is that the TL is much better of a car in almost every aspect.
Yes you save on the gas with the 4 cylinders but who cares.

speaking for myself i got a '12 shawd because i couldn't afford a m5(smh).
people get tsx when they cant afford a tl, they just wont admit it...#LIFE
Right. I started looking at 5 series but didn't want the problems that go along
with a BMW so I traded my 335 for a TSX wagon - although I probably should have
bought a Bentley because I can theoretically afford it.

The TL is larger, has a bigger turning circle and has a tiny trunk without
folding rear seats. For my driving, the TSX was better. I compared the two and
never even considered the price.
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I didn't get the TSX because of price. I mainly got it because #1, It was an
Acura/Honda vehicle and I do appreciate reliability. #2, looks. It was
everything I loved and still do!. #3, Fuel economy- While it gets fairly decent
mpg it never fails to impress. Not a fast car by any means. I've owned several
in the past but I'm still happy with this. Where it lacks in the straight-away
it makes up for in the corners. So TSX over TL? No contest. And yes, I drove the
SH AWD TL. Meh. My '91 Dodge Stealth R/T Twin Turbo could still kick the dog
shit out of that car without mods.

Good luck with your purchase.
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all i see is people stating how the beak looks.. but never consider about bang
for your buck. there are features that the TL has that tsx doesnt, and the only
feature the TL doesnt have from the tsx is the folding rear seats.

Push start, keyless access system smart key, 10 way adjustable driver and 8 way
adjustable passenger, 440 watt sound system

both same price and yet you still chose a car that resembles an accord.. SMH.

if the tsx was cheaper, then it would be a good buy.

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No need to get offended fellas if you read why i wrote i said "speaking for
myself"

@tsxguyv6guy you are 100% about it not being the case all the time but people on
here try to give me that bs about them not wanting a better car then they
already own.

Lets be realistic here you have to strive for better things in life so save all
that im happy with what i have crap.

TSX is a great car but stop the ignorance,its has nothing on Tl and never
will.Thats why you see them everywhere,they cost less...wtf ppl
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Spoiler Alert: No one is going to win this thread. Let it die.
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when did this become a tsx vs tl battle. lol people are so sensitive these
days..."better" has different meaning for different people. my 2002 civic can
easily be "better" than my tsx or your tl or someone's m5 just because its
small, compact, easy to park, good on gas, etc...
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No need to get offended fellas if you read why i wrote i said "speaking for
myself"

@tsxguyv6guy you are 100% about it not being the case all the time but people on
here try to give me that bs about them not wanting a better car then they
already own.

Lets be realistic here you have to strive for better things in life so save all
that im happy with what i have crap.

TSX is a great car but stop the ignorance,its has nothing on Tl and never
will.Thats why you see them everywhere,they cost less...wtf ppl
actually, i tell people all the time, after i graduate college and pay off
loans, i'll be buying another TSX, even if its addition to a $70K. but thats
mainly because i love my baby
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no, i was comparing it to 09-11 tsx because i have been in them both.

the bottom line is that the TL is much better of a car in almost every aspect.
Yes you save on the gas with the 4 cylinders but who cares.

speaking for myself i got a '12 shawd because i couldn't afford a m5(smh).
people get tsx when they cant afford a tl, they just wont admit it...#LIFE
A TL Tech is about 5 grand more than a six cylinder TSX Tech. Its a bigger car
and there are a few items that the TSX doesn't have. However, to suggest that it
is a much better car in all areas is just silly. The main difference is the SH
AWD, which is important to some, and not to all. Outside of that, albeit
significant, that is mainly what you paying for. They are both well built cars
and you can't go wrong with either. I am very happy with my 4 cylinder 2012 TSX
Tech, and find the fuel economy to be good and the power to be more than ample.
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Speaking for myself, you guys are all assholes. And all people who buy Japanese
cars are ignorant, we all know that German cars are the best.

I'm speaking for myself only, don't get offended.
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Speaking for myself, you guys are all assholes. And all people who buy Japanese
cars are ignorant, we all know that German cars are the best.

I'm speaking for myself only, don't get offended.
absolutely correct. Only German cars that cost in excess of $60k allow you to
develop a very close and personal relationship with your dealership - a
relationship that you can never build with a Japanese car dealer.
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TSX is a great car but stop the ignorance,its has nothing on Tl and never
will.Thats why you see them everywhere,they cost less...wtf ppl
Except for the 6spd TL, TSX V6 is quicker than its pricier TL SH-AWD brethren.
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Speaking for myself, you guys are all assholes. And all people who buy Japanese
cars are ignorant, we all know that German cars are the best.

I'm speaking for myself only, don't get offended.
that's why you're selling your car. you made up that BS story of you leaving
just so you can get a german car. the truth comes out!

tl vs tsx are all subjective. if you want to go on pure performance numbers,
obviously the tl has the edge since it's got a bigger engine, a bit more techy,
etc.

i have an idea...let's go over to the 4g TL section and post this exact same
thread but change the order of the cars. "why did you choose the TL over the
TSX" and see what happens!
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A TL Tech is about 5 grand more than a six cylinder TSX Tech. Its a bigger car
and there are a few items that the TSX doesn't have. However, to suggest that it
is a much better car in all areas is just silly. The main difference is the SH
AWD, which is important to some, and not to all. Outside of that, albeit
significant, that is mainly what you paying for. They are both well built cars
and you can't go wrong with either. I am very happy with my 4 cylinder 2012 TSX
Tech, and find the fuel economy to be good and the power to be more than ample.
i wonder where you got that price?

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Speaking for myself, you guys are all assholes. And all people who buy Japanese
cars are ignorant, we all know that German cars are the best.

I'm speaking for myself only, don't get offended.

you sir act like a lil bitch for being 33, not everyone has to like your car

Im on my third acura and i love them as much as the next guy ,but so what if i
want and m5,im not trying to bash acura because i want a BETTER car.

wait let me guess you and your buddy CEB have all the comebacks of why a tsx v6
is better than an m3

@pyrodave im sure you are gonna get another tsx its a great car and you
should.My point is most people get what they can afford, other may have more
money but are not into purchasing expensive cars, so you see them in cars well
below his/her budget. Just please dont feed me that tsx is the car i would buy
no matter how much money i have crap.c'mon fellas lets be real with ourselves
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you sir act like a lil bitch for being 33, not everyone has to like your car

Im on my third acura and i love them as much as the next guy ,but so what if i
want and m5,im not trying to bash acura because i want a BETTER car.

wait let me guess you and your buddy CEB have all the comebacks of why a tsx v6
is better than an m3

yes, you pay what you can afford.. but when two different cars are the same
price, and that person chooses the lower class car, then there is an issue.

as far as to what they choose, either they overpaid or not, its up to their
decision/opinion on which car looks better. but facts are facts, one model is
higher than the other.

given the option to a random selected group of buyers, i can honestly tell you
only a very few percentage of people will actually choose the the lower class
car over the higher class car (tsx or tl) given if they are the same price.

i could say that the is350 looks better than the gs300, but if given me the
situation where i had to pick the two and they both cost the same, i would
without hesitation pick the gs300.
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you sir act like a lil bitch for being 33, not everyone has to like your car
I may act like a lil bitch in your opinion, but it's funny how when I post
something using the same blanket-statement-style that you use, you get your
panties in a bunch. Here's another one:

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Just please dont feed me that tsx is the car i would buy no matter how much
money i have crap.c'mon fellas lets be real with ourselves
No, I don't want to be "real with myself". I've said it before and I'll say it
again. If I ever make it, I am getting myself a CU2, modding the shit out of it,
and shipping it to wherever it is I'll be in the world. It's because I love this
car, it was my first car. I don't give a crap whether everyone likes my car.

You are projecting your own insecurities by making blanket statements and
generalizations. You have to qualify your ownership of Acuras with an M5. I feel
sorry for you, sir.

And you're calling me out for not acting my age? I laugh at thee.
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i could say that the is350 looks better than the gs300, but if given me the
situation where i had to pick the two and they both cost the same, i would
without hesitation pick the gs300.

^^^This was the point i was trying to make thanks potz

The way you love you car is the same i love my first acura too. In fact i always
tell my friends how attached i was to my first 3g then i was my last 2 tl's.

Im all for people sticking to what they like but i tell you this much , a change
in income changes peoples perspective on what they like. I've always said if i
hit the lotto i would always have an acura sitting somewhere with mods to the
max.

Being that this is you first car i understand why you are so defensive when
someone points how the pro/cons of the car,but believe it or not i was not
trying to sound like a douche in my first few post's
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Ok guys, I'm going to be real with myself for you guys for a minute. If potatoes
were in fact money and you could grow them on trees, would that sway your
decisions to whether or not you would choose the TL over the TSX? Because as we
all know, the TL can hold a few more cubic feet of potatoes. Some people tend to
think that potato capacity is all that matters in a car, and it seems that's all
4g TL owners care about. But as we all know, some people are just fine with
having a few less potatoes in their trunk, even if they are able to mash them up
and store more.
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@pyrodave im sure you are gonna get another tsx its a great car and you
should.My point is most people get what they can afford, other may have more
money but are not into purchasing expensive cars, so you see them in cars well
below his/her budget. Just please dont feed me that tsx is the car i would buy
no matter how much money i have crap.c'mon fellas lets be real with ourselves
Just for the record, if I had the money I'd buy a 911 Carrera S but that's
irrelevant since the discussion concerns TL vs TSX

In 2010 I walked into the Acura dealership fully expecting to drive off with a
TL. Owned a TL and wanted another one. After comparing with the TSX V6 I could
see no compelling reason to buy the TL. Didn't like the beak, the boy-racer
rear-end, size, weight, interior, and performance. Affordability had nothing to
do with the decision. I could be the exception, but since TSX is cannibalizing
TL sales there may be something else going on besides affordability.
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i'd take the is350.

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I could be the exception, but since TSX is cannibalizing TL sales there may be
something else going on besides affordability.
finally, some rationality! The tsx wouldn't be in a situation where it is
cannibalizing sales if it weren't a good car. Of course, most people are opting
for the base tsx versus the v6 tsx so price could be a factor that's swaying
drivers...but I think people aren't seeing rationale for spending extra money on
a base tl versus a base tsx. Outside of performance and size, there isn't much
reason to get a tl.
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you sir act like a lil bitch for being 33, not everyone has to like your car

Im on my third acura and i love them as much as the next guy ,but so what if i
want and m5,im not trying to bash acura because i want a BETTER car.

wait let me guess you and your buddy CEB have all the comebacks of why a tsx v6
is better than an m3

People buy cars for various reasons. You seem to believe that one should buy as
much car as one can afford to be able to brag about what one owns.

Some people buy cars to get from point A to point B and couldn't care less about
a car as a status symbol - this is the majority of the
Camry/Accord/Fusion/Malibu buyers.

Some people want more creature comforts than one gets in an entry level car,
want it for commuting and want reliability.

No one reason is better than another but yu are just plain wrong when you lump
all TSX owners into the "they can't afford anything better" category.

In 2006, Forbes did a "what do billionaires drive" article. According to your
theory, they are all idiots. All were "self drives" without drivers.

* Bill Gates (Microsoft Co-Founder)
* 1999 Porsche 911 Convertible
* 1988 Porsche 959 Coupe
* Paul Allen (Microsoft Co-Founder)
* 1988 Porsche 959 Coupe
* 1988 Mazda B-Series Pickup
* Steven Balmer (Microsoft CEO)
* 1998 Lincoln Continental
* Warren Buffet (Investor Extraordinaire)
* 2001 Lincoln Town Car Signature Series with licence plate THRIFTY
* Jim Walton (CEO of Arvest Bank, Youngest son of Walmart founder Sam Walton)
* 2002 Dodge Dakota Pickup
* 2000 Acura Integra
* 1998 Mitsubishi Montero Sport
* 1999 Chevrolet Silverado Pickup
* 1959 Cadillac
* Ingvar Kamprad (Founder of the Swedish furniture and home goods company IKEA)
* 1993 Volvo 240 GL

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i agree with you on some levels of your statement.

yes, you pay what you can afford.. but when two different cars are the same
price, and that person chooses the lower class car, then there is an issue.

as far as to what they choose, either they overpaid or not, its up to their
decision/opinion on which car looks better. but facts are facts, one model is
higher than the other.

i could say that the is350 looks better than the gs300, but if given me the
situation where i had to pick the two and they both cost the same, i would
without hesitation pick the gs300.
Right!

There is no right or wrong. A M5 isn't a "better" car for commuting and a
Hyundai might not be best car for the racetrack.

People buy cars for different reasons and only the narrowminded think that it is
all about money.
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Im all for people sticking to what they like but i tell you this much , a change
in income changes peoples perspective on what they like.
This is a ridiculous statement, and obviously made by someone who's on the
outside looking in.
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Ive been watching both threads. and honestly, the TL guys have a better argument
than you guys! lol
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When i was looking at cars back in 06 i looked at both the tl and tsx. I ended
up with the tsx as it was what i wanted. No regrets on my decision.
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...Im all for people sticking to what they like but i tell you this much , a
change in income changes peoples perspective on what they like...
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrOtocinclus
This is a ridiculous statement, and obviously made by someone who's on the
outside looking in.
He is absolutely correct. A change in income often comes with a change in
maturity. As we mature, we realize that bling isn't as important as it once was.

Maturity doesn't come with increased income if mama and papa pay for the car -
obviously the way that aspecallday got his "increased" income.

The TSX is the "cheapest" car I've owned in the last 30 years but oddly enough
I've gotten more unsolicited comments on the wagon than on most other cars. In
the three months that I've had the wagon, I've had people roll down their
windows to tell me they like my car, comments at gas stations, shopping malls
and grocery stores.

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The problem is that some people equate a higher price with "better."

The TL has several advantages over the TSX - it is more powerful, quieter, can
be had with SH-AWD and more options. It is also larger, gets worse gas mileage
and has a much larger turning radius. It has a more oppulent interior but not
really more interior space.

The TSX has a more useful trunk with fold down rear seat. It gets better gas
mileage and is more nimble.

If you need the SH-AWD then get the TL, otherwise get the TSX - the difference
is price is so minimal as to keep the TSX and the TL in the same general
ballpark.

I cross-shopped both and the larger size and the much larger turning radius put
the TL out of the running. Those things that affect daily driving outweighed the
SH-AWD winter handling capability for me - YMMV

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Ive been watching both threads. and honestly, the TL guys have a better argument
than you guys! lol

they do have the looks only a mother could love
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Wow CEB im glad you got that out of you system. You said so many things about me
that i dont know where to begin

You said im arrogant,my money comes from parents and that i got the car to show
boat.Just to name a few

I tried to be as nice and positive as i could be but you guys seem to want to
take it some where else

i was not trying to say that all tsx owners got that car because thats all they
can afford.What i was saying was a high percentage of people get whatever car is
within there budget.

The reason why they are out selling the tl is because they are cheaper...wtf
this is my fn point

I love how my income had to come from parents and not the fact that ive been
busting my ass for years to get where im at.

I could care less about what you or anyone thinks about me, this is a forum open
for discussion not all this bitchin you are doing all because i dont like your
lil box on wheels.You know im right thats why you are so defensive..chill out
home girl.

Beauty is skin deep, Im sure some fat ugly chick invented this

Money is not everything,You know who came up with that? A broke mofo

Now excuse me while i go show boat in my exclusive acura tl that no one else
has...smh fucking clown
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I think if you're 19, the TSX would be a better choice, but at the same time, it
depends on what kind of 19yo you are. I know we have some teenagers on this
board who are pretty mature for their age. I'll give you my perspective as
someone on the wrong side of 30.

When the lease to my first TSX (CU2) was ending, I was 32. At the time, I
considered 4 cars: another TSX, a BMW 335is, a TL, and even an RL. The reason I
list the TL and RL last is that I initially considered these speciously, based
on photos on the website, reputation, and where they were in the Acura pecking
order. But, I did want to learn more about them.

I had already driven the TL as a service loaner. It was certainly more luxurious
than the TSX, more refined, smoother, steering wheel turned more easily, etc.
But, it was quite large. I knew I wouldn't be taking it through the twisties.
Believe it or not, I also did not like the push-button start. I prefer to turn a
key. I also prefer Japan-built. Lastly, the lack of a rear folding seat was a
deal breaker for me.

On the other hand, my extended family would have loved the TL. It's a bigger
car, floatier, and more comfortable. More legroom in the back. And, again, more
cushy. If that's your thing (maybe you like traveling in style with a bunch of
girls in the back seat, being 19 and all?), then the TL would be an awesome car.
It exudes more of a VIP feel than the TSX.

I won't go into details about the bimmer or the RL as that's off topic, but what
drove me towards the TSX again was that I just enjoy driving, and I don't really
think you can argue against the fact that the TSX is just more of a nimble car
than the TL. In a few years, though, my priorities would most likely change, and
if I had to choose between a TSX and a TL then, I'd probably go with the TL.
But, that's probably a moot point as they probably won't exist. Anyhow, good
luck with your decision. You're 19, and you'll be driving either a TSX or a TL.
Life is good!

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I like the blue tinted mirrors of the TL. I'd probably consider a TL with SH-AWD
next time. I am happy with my TSX though. Even though I'll be away from it until
October
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No need to get offended fellas if you read why i wrote i said "speaking for
myself"

@tsxguyv6guy you are 100% about it not being the case all the time but people on
here try to give me that bs about them not wanting a better car then they
already own.

Lets be realistic here you have to strive for better things in life so save all
that im happy with what i have crap.

TSX is a great car but stop the ignorance,its has nothing on Tl and never
will.Thats why you see them everywhere,they cost less...wtf ppl
Wow... This has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've read in a
while. Not even necessary to go through the flaws of this statement. Bottom
line, we chose the tsx over the tl or any other vehicle because it was the
better car in several aspects, particularly ride comfort, mileage, looks, and
size (we wanted a smaller car). No where did I mention price. The fact that it
WAS cheaper was a bonus, but not a deciding factor.
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Wow... This has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've read in a
while. Not even necessary to go through the flaws of this statement. Bottom
line, we chose the tsx over the tl or any other vehicle because it was the
better car in several aspects, particularly ride comfort, mileage, looks, and
size (we wanted a smaller car). No where did I mention price. The fact that it
WAS cheaper was a bonus, but not a deciding factor.
Ignorance is bliss. Let aspecallday feel superior because his daddy was able to
afford to buy him a TL.

He apparently believes that price is the only important factor in buying a car
and that the only way to buy a car is to buy the most expensive one you (or your
parents) can afford. One day he'll grow up.
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In my honest opinion, the 2nd generation TSX was the most needed and best
refresh of any of the Acura models. Yes OP, we know the TL is hideous and I'm
still not feeling the refresh model either.

The way I see it, the 1st gen TSX although not a bad looking car, was just too
bland...No sharp lines, narrow front end, and looked really high off the ground.
nothing screamed about that car, EXCITEMENT.

The current TSX, looks sportier, classier, and wider stance!!! Especially the
special edition with the body mods, DAYUM!!!!!

My point, go with the 2nd TSX if you're looking for a TSX or an used 06-08 TL.
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What a coincidence at a local meet last night.......4g,is,2 tsx

All the cars that have been mentioned in this thread so far.
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And according to the pic, they all look good. A moddel 4G TL does look very good
from what I've seen in the 4G section. Personally I can't get over the looks,
but with the right wheels, lip, etc you can change the look of the car. Off
topic I know, but I was commentin on the pic.
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This thread has gotten way off track and needs to be closed.
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mods dont patrol 2G TSX section anymore, they said its worse than ramblings and
hope that the trolls eat us, but they are in for the lulz of watching us be
devoured
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I bought a 2010 v6 tsx. They had a base tl with slightly more miles with same
price. For me, tl felt more bulky, interior luxury quality wasnt really a huge
upgrade, and I'm not a big fan of the tl rear. I love my tsx!
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the front end of the refresh model TL looks wayyyyyyyyyy better
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This has been an interesting read to say the least. To all the people saying the
TL is so much better, really...I mean wtf do you hope to accomplish saying that
in a 2g TSX forum, sway all the tsxers into thinking you are right, seriously
sir you are dumb then. You know what we should fight the power and next go into
a BMW forum and say how they are all stupid for buying a bmw and should have
bought a mercedes, I think we can make a difference....
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05-14-2012, 05:17 PM
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personally i do think the 4 cylinder is a good buy, but not the 6 cylinder..

the v6 tech is essentially the same price as the tl tech... well you get where
im going with this..
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05-14-2012, 07:14 PM
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as a cu2 owner, I can say that the v6 tsx makes zero sense, unless you
absolutely need folding rear seats and a smaller car (but the size difference is
so minute).
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Hmm looking at trading in my 08 kbp TLS for a 2012 CU4 V6, decisions, decisions,
what's a guy to do...
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Quote:
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Hmm looking at trading in my 08 kbp TLS for a 2012 CU4 V6, decisions, decisions,
what's a guy to do...
You're best option would be to ignore everything you've read in this thread.

Seriously guys, this is a shit thread. Stop posting and let it die.
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Quote:
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Hmm looking at trading in my 08 kbp TLS for a 2012 CU4 V6, decisions, decisions,
what's a guy to do...
the tl-s is gorgeous and i'd keep it! haha
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05-15-2012, 11:52 AM
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To the original question - why TSX over TL

- Didn't feel the need for V6. I wanted zippy, not raw power acceleration. TSX's
4-banger was enough for me, and I wanted to save $ on better mileage.

- 2010 TL too big, versus TSX just right size

- Dash styling of TSX far better than TL

That's it really, price wasn't too big of a deal, and I didn't mind the beak, I
rather liked its in-your-face, so-what attitude.

Fundamentally, I didn't need V6 power. I just needed a well-appointed,
semi-luxurious, zippy 4-banger everyday commute car that was comfortable to sit
in, easy to park, fun to toss around corners, and never worry about getting up
on freeway on-ramps, or passing the occasional slow-poke. Those are classic
Honda traits that are happily still in the 4-cyl TSX.

If I had been in the market for that kind of car - a larger luxury car with V6
power - I would have cross-shopped TL V6 versus Infinity G, Audi A4, Lexus
IS350, 3-series - the usual suspects. I didn't think 4-cyl TSX was really
comparable to those, given its price / motor combination.

Ben
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i strongly disagree with your interior statement... the tsx interior looks too
much like an accord interior..

my brother has an accord, when i got into the tsx, i realized it looked similar.

---------TL

---------TSX

---------Accord

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For me my goal was to get a fun to drive car with a clutch. The TL SH-AWD 6
speed would have fit that goal but it was $10,000 more.
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Damn potmilkz I never knew the USDM Accord had the similar interior of the
JDM/Euro accord. Never cared to pay attention to the US Accord. lol
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Had a loaner TL 2012 base for a few days, and got my tsx V6 back. I missed my
tsx so much. I really did not like driving the TL, and glad I did not buy it. TL
felt bulky.
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Quote:
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i strongly disagree with your interior statement... the tsx interior looks too
much like an accord interior..

my brother has an accord, when i got into the tsx, i realized it looked similar.

I don't fully agree- seems like the TSX is a blend of TL and Accord elements. I
think the TL is closer to Accord in dash design than the TSX actually. Look at
the placement of Nav Screen, Hazard Flasher button, center vents. Even the
shifter looks the same.
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We have a 2010 TL Tech and a 2012 TSX 4 Cylinder Tech. Here are a few points
about both cars.

We spent about 12K more on the TL, so if price is an issue the TL could be a
deal breaker. With that being said, I feel like the price difference is
justified by the features and build quality.

The keyless access is a terrific feature that I miss in the TSX. The stereo in
the TSX is great, but the stereo in the TL is much better. It has richer base
and less annoying treble.

Our TL obviously has a more powerful engine and has much better brakes. The
leather seems better in the TL too. The build quality seems better in the TL
also, although both are great. You can close the doors in the TL with absolutely
no effort and get a satisfying solid thud.

There are more seat adjustments in the TL, which is not that big of a deal.

I actually like the interior styling of the TL better, although both are very
nice. I am not a big fan of the ridge that spans the dash in the TSX. In the TL,
I am not a huge fan of the 3D instrument panel. It is important to note that if
you have ever been in the not tech versions of either car, the interior looks
much cheaper. We first looked at a non-tech TL that had a pinstripe with Acura
written in it on the outside and on the inside there was fake plastic wood. It
was terrible. I bring this up b/c some folks have mentioned that they had
loaners they didn't like. I imagine they could have been non-tech TLs.

The TL has a much cushier, yet still sporty, ride. The TSX has much stiffer
suspension.

I would say that I like the exterior of the TL better. I am one of the fans of
the non-traditional styling. We have the sport grille and midnight chrome rims I
feel tie everything together nicely. If more traditional is your taste, then the
TSX is for you.

The trunk in the TSX is way better than the TL. it is easier to access and has a
much better angle if you are folding the seats down. The seats in the TL don't
fold down at all, although there is a center pass through. Because of the angle
of the trunk, the pass through is almost useless.

The TSX is not much smaller than the TL by the numbers. It feels much smaller
when you drive it, however. I think it might be because you have better
peripheral vision out of the TSX than you do with the TL.

Both cars are great. You can't go wrong with either one!!!
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^ there you go.

thread shall end with that post.

and this one saying that it will end.
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and this one saying in b4 lock =D
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Is it locked yet? I don't think it is. I'm still typing. Shit!

I like happy endings.
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I think the thread has gotten back on track nicely, so no need to lock?
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Is it locked yet? I don't think it is. I'm still typing. Shit!

I like happy endings.

wrong forum there buddy...
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Funny. I bought my 2010 TSX without test driving a TL and today got a TL as a
rental from the dealer I as I was thinking about trading in the TSX. Honestly I
wasn't that impressed. This was a base 2012 TL and the size seemed very similar
to my TSX and the interior didn't! Seem plush at all. The car felt heavy but the
pick-up wasn't great and the gas mileage wasn't too good. My last car was a
Volvo S60 2.5T AWD and that had better acceleration than both cars. In the end I
prefer the size, interior, handling, and zippiness of the TSX. Nothing to do
with price. To each their own though, like anything everyone has. Different
tastes!
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If they offered a TL sport wagon (with V6 and AWD) I would have jumped on one in
an instant. I was coming from a much bigger car (E63 AMG Mercedes) and so I kind
of wanted to stay in the same size segment. That said, the TSX wagon is
perfectly fine. It doesn't feel too small and is frugal and practical and
inconspicuous.
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I used to be a huge TL fan until they released the latest gen. I personally
can't get used to the new design.. front, rear.. no matter which way I look at
it, I don't like it.
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TSX OVER TL ,, IMO get it 6 speed
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Although the TL is indeed a lot roomier and more luxorious, I ended up with the
TSX w/ Tech Pkg. Mostly because I could not find the TL SH-AWD in my price
range, so I guess you could say price plays a big factor come decision time.
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Quote:
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If they offered a TL sport wagon (with V6 and AWD) I would have jumped on one in
an instant. I was coming from a much bigger car (E63 AMG Mercedes) and so I kind
of wanted to stay in the same size segment. That said, the TSX wagon is
perfectly fine. It doesn't feel too small and is frugal and practical and
inconspicuous.
I hope you've stumbled onto Acura's secret plans! TSX Wagon will move to TLX
line with your improvements. TSX sedan will be replaced by ILX sedan.

And maybe the ILX will re-introduce a 3 door / 5 door sportback like the
original Integra.

Hmm... ain't gonna happen, right?
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If I could afford a tl sh-awd manual I would have gotten it but as I could not
and as the tsx looks younger(im 20), i got the second sportiest acura you can
buy new today. The tsx v6 vbp no nav ordered from sayama with my name on it I
tried to find a tl-s manual as that was my dream car for the longest but I
couldnt find one in my area at all.
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pros: Bigger, more luxurious, seats feel better, V6 engine, chassis feel more
solid.

Cons: it's ugly, it's heavy, not as responsive steering as the TSX, MPG, and the
price.

TSX

pros: lighter, better handling, decent MPG, cheaper.

cons: not as luxurious, backseats are sort of small, and slower.
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Reasons we chose our 2010 TSX over the TL:
-Price: We got our base for $28,000, probably would have had to spend 5k more
for the TL
-Fuel economy: for us the k24 has plent of power and getting around a 30mpg
average is nice. Although my wife has commented on how much more power her
Loaner TLs have vs. the TSX.
-Looks: I much prefered the 2010 TSX over the TL, now the refresh to the TL has
made it look alot better in my opinion.
-Ease of maintenance: This was in the back of my mind if we keep the vehicle for
a long time, less spark plugs, chain driven vs. belt, longer oil change
intervals per MM (I use synthetic so I'm going to try to leave the oil in until
15%), probably a longer tranmission life?

A huge contributing factor was we bought the car for my wife to drive since I
have a work truck. Had I been selecting a car for my dd the TL with SH-awd would
have fit the bill quite nicely with the 6-spd.
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