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THROWING AN “AXION BOMB” INTO A BLACK HOLE COULD BREAK A FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF
PHYSICS
TOPICS:AstronomyAstrophysicsBlack HoleImperial College LondonParticle
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By Imperial College London July 1, 2021
This artist’s conception illustrates one of the most primitive supermassive
black holes known (central black dot) at the core of a young, star-rich galaxy.
Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech
New research shows how the fundamental law of conservation of charge could break
down near a black hole.
Singularities, such as those at the centre of black holes, where density becomes
infinite, are often said to be places where physics ‘breaks down’. However, this
doesn’t mean that ‘anything’ could happen, and physicists are interested in
which laws could break down, and how.
Now, a research team from Imperial College London, the Cockcroft Institute and
Lancaster University have proposed a way that singularities could violate the
law of conservation of charge. Their theory is published in Annalen der Physik.
Co-author Professor Martin McCall, from the Department of Physics at Imperial,
said: “’Physics breaks down at a singularity’ is one of the most famous
statements in pop-physics. But by showing how this might actually happen, we
take aim at one of the most cherished laws of physics: the conservation of
charge.”
DESTROYING CHARGE
The conservation of charge says that the total electric charge of any isolated
system – including the Universe as a whole – never changes. This means that if
negatively or positively charged particles move into one area, the same amount
of respectively charged particles must move out.
This has been shown at the very smallest scales: when different particles are
created or eliminated in experiments such as the Large Hadron Collider, the same
amount of negatively and positively charged particles are always produced or
destroyed, respectively.
Coupled axion and electromagnetic field. Credit: Imperial College London
Now, by modifying classic physics equations to include axions, a candidate for
dark matter, the team has been able to show that temporary singularities – such
as black holes that appear and then later evaporate – could destroy charge when
they come to the end of their life.
Axions are hypothetical particles that may explain dark matter – the ‘missing’
85 percent of the matter of the Universe. Their predicted properties could form
a field that would interact with the kind of fields physicists have known about
for centuries – electromagnetic fields, which are described by a set of
equations called Maxwell’s equations.
Using a branch of mathematics called differential geometry, the team found out
how to create or destroy charge, violating the charge conservation of the
Universe.
PHILOSOPHICAL IMPLICATIONS
Co-author Dr. Jonathan Gratus, from the Department of Physics at Lancaster
University, said: “You can imagine creating an ‘axion bomb’ that holds charge by
combining coupled axion and electromagnetic fields; and then dropping it into an
evaporating black hole. As the construction shrinks and disappears into the
singularity, it takes electrical charge with it. It is the combination of a
temporary singularity and a newly proposed type of axion field that is crucial
to its success.”
Co-author Dr. Paul Kinsler, from the Department of Physics at Imperial, said:
“There are also philosophical implications. Although people often like to say
that physics ‘breaks down’, here we show that although exotic phenomena might
occur, what actually happens is nevertheless constrained by the still-working
laws of physics around the singularity.”
The team say the axion phenomenon would only occur under extreme conditions that
currently cannot be created in a lab, but that future advances in intense laser
fields might allow the theory to be tested in a terrestrial environment.
Reference: “Temporary Singularities and Axions: An Analytic Solution that
Challenges Charge Conservation” by Jonathan Gratus, Paul Kinsler and Martin W.
McCall, 5 May 2021, Annalen der Physik.
DOI: 10.1002/andp.202000565
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42 COMMENTS ON "THROWING AN “AXION BOMB” INTO A BLACK HOLE COULD BREAK A
FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF PHYSICS"
1. xABBAAA | July 1, 2021 at 5:15 am | Reply
… oh, my God, you are rally humans, but don’t prove how human you are!
The math and physics don’t blend good, couldn’t you stop your need for
creation and study of another artefact…
* TotallyNotAGreifer | July 1, 2021 at 5:43 am | Reply
Sci-fi expansion when?
Also- Nerf comically large spoon melee.
Thanks.
2. Stanislav Glazkov | July 1, 2021 at 12:35 pm | Reply
Well, the charge still can be preserved while the corresponding field
collapses into singularity. As far as I understand it, charge is a quantum
property of a dot-like object which interacts with the EM field through
exchange of virtual photons existing everywhere while photons are
momentum-particles in a way. When charge is an intrinsic property of a
particle the sea of photons are just intetacting with because they are all
entangled since the big bang there is a possibility of creating “pure”
charge by destroying the entanglement through collaps into a black hole.
The question is what happens when this “pure” charge (probably mass-less)
since most particles get their masses from interactions with fields or
virtual particles or other particles happens to get outside of the black
hole. If the particle of “pure” charge does not connect back to the fields
because this may happen only at big bang (or very high energy event) we
might get a rather peculiar thing. A charge without corresponding forces
since the particle can not excert them without proper entanglement to the
sea of virtual photons. Universe may be full with such “forceless”
particles from evaporated primordial black holes and our particle
accelerators dont even create electrons/positrons on particle accelerators
they just give the energy threshhold needed for a charge-“particle” to get
entangled back with its surroundings and assuming this process goes on just
like “before” with the whole universe itself (it must have happened once
since the universe is expanding which means the procces of entanglement
once started will go on further at the speed of light from the point where
it began.
3. Stanislav Glazkov | July 1, 2021 at 12:50 pm | Reply
My idea is that black holes never ever destroy particles, only the means
particles interact with each other. The problem is, as far as our science
goes, we still dont know or dont really have the means to deduce which
particles are particles and which are congregations of particles and need
space because of that. Assuming black holes really “destroy” space leaving
particles without any means to interact with each other, assuming particles
leaving black holes do not reentangle themselves back spontaniously like
nothing happened and require energy and conditions similar to big bang (or
at least far from our energy levels/conditions, assuming particles will
reentangle themselves given enough energy, assuming universe was indeed
full or primordial black holes which evaporeted, assuming too much
actually… we could tell what was before the universe by analysing what
happens today by giving enough energy to get the particles back to interact
with our universe.
Well, assuming all this I’d say that the universe is strange as …
and probably there are many more ways for particles to organise themselves
as we know of since since sometimes we get sh..t like heavy electrons
(myons)… or even heavier electrons… or electrons hiding in a proton
(neutron). We dont know sh*t about particles…
4. Stanislav Glazkov | July 1, 2021 at 1:11 pm | Reply
The proble is, our understanding of physics and the universe is encased
between experimental data (which is never precise) and the need to assume
as little as possible to be scientific and our ability to create models or
simulations. While experiments leave us with data which is NEVER
satisfyinly presice and we can mathemathicly tackle only the simplest cases
(point like particles, featureless space) and our simulations take ages
even at chromodynamics simulations we cant even make more assumtions
(besides the fact it would be unscientific).
Standart model assumes our physics being somewhat of a bottom of the sea
where only simplest interactions and concepts take space but gravity
destroys it all giving fermions masses which spread in a way we can not
predict. Chances are, we are not at the bottom at all, but somewhere in
between without any means to prove it. Worst case: what we observe is
simply what we observe and has nothing to do with the universe itself.
Somewhat bad case: we observe the observable. Everything besides the
observable gets destroyed by the observation.
Mind-blown case: atoms, molecules and everything below just happen to
allign themselves with our every-day objects AND be observable and we are
not made of atoms at all. Quarks and gluons may happen to allign themselves
with atoms and atoms are not made of quarks and gluons at all. And it may
go like this just a smidge less than forever.
5. Caleigh Fisher | July 1, 2021 at 1:16 pm | Reply
And throwing a pokemon ball is pretty cool too. Right now they are about
equally real
6. Kathy O | July 1, 2021 at 5:19 pm | Reply
If putting an axiom bomb into a black hole, which consists of black matter,
and that black matter makes up most of the universe, then would it be
thought, that it could blow up the whole Universe? Especially, being that
Physics states that the black hole may turn around and basically destroy
the bomb when it was detonated at time of impact? And if it destroys the
bomb, does that not still mean that it could explode inside the black
hole/black matter/part of the Universe?
Think about it.
How else could one justify, what would happen if the bomb exploded inside
the black hole. No one knows what is on the other side of the opening.
Could it be a time warp? That can swollen one object, on one side of the
Universe and spit it out on the other side? And if so, what kind of
condition would it leave that said object in, or what would be left of that
said object?
This may sound far fetched, but could it also be a possibility? Does one
actually know?
And if so, then why would someone want to drop an axiom bomb into the black
hole, made up of black particles/dark mass/Part of what the Universe is
made up of? Or, how the Universe is constructed, together?
* Obedient Beast Spawn | July 6, 2021 at 4:58 pm | Reply
I bet your man came up with this idea just like them to want to blow up
things they don’t understand who’s to say they’re putting a bomb in a
black hole calls the entire universe to suck inside itself .. Think of
outer space like an ocean yes it’s black but it’s thick dark matter it’s
not nothing it’s a lot of something which creates ripples And riffs It’s
like when you go scuba diving and you wear a scuba mask you can see all
the particles and things with the fish and as you move through the water
you don’t actually touch a lot of it because it pushes it away from you
so we don’t know a lot about around the ocean what business is it of ours
to go and explore outside of our own bubble.. my opinion is don’t throw a
bomb inside of anything ever what if it totally throws earth off the safe
spot of perfect heat and cool I really don’t want to burn to death or
freeze to death just because some monster wants to see what will happen…
7. Kathy O | July 1, 2021 at 5:25 pm | Reply
If putting an axiom bomb into a black hole, which consists of black matter,
and that black matter makes up most of the universe, then would it not be
thought, that it could blow up the whole Universe? Especially, being that
Physics states that the black hole may turn around and basically destroy
the bomb when it was detonated at time of impact? And if it destroys the
bomb, then does that not still mean, that the axiom bomb could explode
inside the black hole/black matter/part of the Universe?
Think about it.
How else could one justify, what would happen if the bomb exploded inside
the black hole. No one knows what is on the other side of the opening.
Could it be a time warp? That can swollen one object, on one side of the
Universe, and spit it out on the other side? And if so, what kind of
condition would it leave that said object in, or what would be left of that
said object?
This may sound far fetched, but could it also be a possibility? Does one
actually know?
And if so, then why would someone want to drop an axiom bomb into the black
hole, made up of black particles/dark mass, and part of the Universe? Or,
how part of the Universe is constructed, together?
* SanJuan Elias | July 1, 2021 at 7:33 pm | Reply
This is as beautifully put as one of those beautiful math models by
Hawkings, which turned out to be nothing more than well
constructed/educated rubbish…yet yours makes much more sense, if only in
its parsimony …
8. SanJuan Elias | July 1, 2021 at 7:18 pm | Reply
Only God is really in command of ALL laws and in charge (like He told
Pilatus) of those temporarily in charge now. Some might say that what is
axiomatic indeed is the existence of self deceived, mere mortals who
foolishly think so highly of themselves as to believe they are the ones in
charge…A small brain fart like Capablanca had and puff, dark they all
inmediately go…Shema!!!
9. kingrocker | July 1, 2021 at 11:38 pm | Reply
Several things here:
1. “the total electric charge of any isolated system – including the
Universe as a whole – never changes” for all we know, the law may not break
down and instead “the Universe a is a whole” may not be an isolated system
– why isn’t this discussed?
2. language could be better – “temporary singularity” used to address an
evaporating black hole… when in fact they all evaporate and they are all
temporary… cmon
10. Heh | July 2, 2021 at 6:19 am | Reply
Ferb, i know what we’re gonna do today
11. Ronald langbauer | July 2, 2021 at 6:42 am | Reply
The reason why they are here it’s because we are so close to achieving
sustainable fusion power which will be used in the wrong way and it will
destroy the Earth. You think we’re going to figure out what it took another
civilization millions of years to figure out
12. Unmovableobject | July 2, 2021 at 11:29 am | Reply
People like to play, and attempted to understand what is not yet ready to
be understood, or not yet understandable.
13. Lee | July 2, 2021 at 4:46 pm | Reply
Hahaha, how ridiculous! The entire theory persists because of how common
interaction is “where we reside, or where we conduct our experiments.” It’s
not this difficult, “singularities” do not exist, it is the limit of
repetition, your are breaking down constituent parts to the point that they
reconstitute whole parts and that is it. That is what “infinite” means. I
can’t believe the scientific community is that stupid… Is this subterfuge?
What happens when a puddle of rain evaporates? You cannot and will not
experience the infinitum of the universe, but the fact that you experience
it at all tells you, you always will.
14. Marec Huber | July 2, 2021 at 5:21 pm | Reply
One of the dumbest ideas !
I compare the thought to dropping a bomb in a place where we know nothing
about,only to find out there was life there and as of a result ,caused
great destruction.Such ideas arent constructive, or productive.There are
much better approaches than to wrecklessly set off a bomb just to see what
happens in such a situation without understanding the reason affects
towards an outcome.
15. jls | July 2, 2021 at 7:18 pm | Reply
Wouldn’t time also slow down to a near infinite but also non-zero at the
center of a black hole? Meaning matter never reaches the center until I
guess space-time outside has to dissolve somehow, maybe through a
combination of universe expansion for further mass and consumption for
closer mass. Then it would just rebound. Anyone with me on this?
16. Jeffrey Allen heerdt | July 2, 2021 at 8:45 pm | Reply
Getting rid of a black hole by use of a “axiom bomb”…if one was ever
created in the far distant future…would probably have negative if not
universal apocalyptic reaction….in other words the whole universe could
possibly be annihilated. Man is NOT meant to change the universe,the
universe changes on it’s own terms.
17. Patrick R Gomez | July 2, 2021 at 10:56 pm | Reply
Supernerd bait tricky post , it sounds like destroying a galaxy maybe the
universe with a reverse big bang. Proves even morons can be good at math.
18. Naseer | July 4, 2021 at 6:15 pm | Reply
Could laws of Physics and Mathematic be just “man made attempt at providing
explanations” to satisfy the inquisitiveness of our senses (at least 5,
perhaps many more more).
So is it the laws or just an attempt at pacifying our senses?
Evolution of self awareness and intelligence + collective resonance may be
all what it is, just like quantum mechanics!
If for a moment we were shift our focus from ourself (which is driven by
our senses) or simply turn off all our senses then the whole perspective
about universe, it’s creation by Big Bang and so forth would become a
question and laws of physics and mathematics may fail or evolve!
Such a change may either explain things that we do not understand or it may
get us closer to a black hole!
19. Thomas Anthony Errico | July 5, 2021 at 7:26 am | Reply
What if dog was really spelled C A T!
20. Jay Rocurionium | July 5, 2021 at 9:16 am | Reply
Well folks seeing that the closest black hole Sagittarius A is pretty far
away I’d say don’t git your panties in a knot…no axiom bombs gonna be
bombing any time soon.
On the home front an extremely ” charged” burrito bomb was put into a
clockwise swirling water closet , with one of the exact same specifications
being delivered in the southern hemisphere in a counter clockwise swirling
water closet.
Net effect neighbours in both vicintities : saved by zero.
21. Rick Myers | July 5, 2021 at 10:03 am | Reply
They say everything on earth can be condensed into a table spoon if it was
black hole matter. BREAKING NEWS. Particles will be destroyed
22. Louie | July 5, 2021 at 2:48 pm | Reply
Having to return your Doctorate should be a very real possiblity.
23. Kg | July 5, 2021 at 3:44 pm | Reply
There is no force in the universe that can stop a woman from charging
24. UAP | July 5, 2021 at 7:31 pm | Reply
Dark matter is like an imaginary number.
Anyway, humans are minds connected to brains that force us to “focus” our
gaze in three particular dimensions. Our scientific understandings are
built with this focus. We can make useful working models with theories that
are combined with facts.
We need to experience the universe by disconnecting our brain almost
completely from our mind. And then learn to focus again as we did right
after birth.
25. jason clayton | July 6, 2021 at 6:46 am | Reply
Drop an axion bomb into a black hole? that statement alone stops this
hypothesis dead in its tracks as it would never even make it to the event
horizon let alone inside to where the singularity is occurring,if its even
a singularity at all and not a plank star to begin with…its very weird to
me that math might bear this out hypothetically but it doesnt take into
account the actual reality of the impossablitity of said experiment to
begin with as you are short cutting what ifs because of the large hadron
collided allows you to skip past the entry point of solving the intense
gravity that would keep said experiment from ever happening
26. Anthony Garnett | July 6, 2021 at 9:02 am | Reply
So quantum fluctuations in spacetime cause pairs of particles to constantly
pop in to existence only to instantly annihilate each other, except in the
presence of a black hole when one half of the pair topples in causing an
apparent emission of radiation from a ‘black’ hole. And we have to assume
then that none of these pairs of spontaneously-created particles consist of
oppositly charged pairs? Because – sans black hole – such an event and
subsequent annihilation would not constitute a violation of the
conservation of charge… But in the presence of a black hole?
27. Tim | July 6, 2021 at 4:22 pm | Reply
Who cares!! I mean really!! U can’t get there in our lifetime or even
grandchildrens… who cares and why
28. Eric | July 6, 2021 at 11:06 pm | Reply
May I ask why was this even published? Seems kind of like a waste of real
research. All these prestigious people who wrote this could have been doing
the same thing on something more useful. I understand trying to figure out
how to change charge is important. But this while article was mostly
science fiction. Why would you even try to blow up something that’s
infinite with something that is at this point and time imaginary.
29. Chelsie Daniel | July 7, 2021 at 12:22 am | Reply
Madness….A + FOR TRYING TO EXPAND THE LAWS OF PHYSICS. MY QUESTION IS…HOW
IS THIS FOR GREATER GOOD? IF THERE IS NO ALGORITHM TO SHOW US A CLEAR
ANSWER OF WHAT TO EXPECT THEN WHY PLAY? THIS THEORY AND SOME OF THE
COMMENTS I READ SOUND SUICIDAL/ HOMICIDAL! I DONT BELIEVE A BLACK WHOLE HAS
EVER HURT EARTH. THE ONLY THING THAT IS HURTING OUR UNIVERSE IS MAN ITSELF.
MAN HAS STEPPED AWAY FROM KIND. WE LITTER, POLUTE, LIE AND SUGGEST CRAZY
THINGS LIKE BOMBING A BLACK HOLE! FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO SO WE CAN ALL
GO BACK TO STABILITY ON ALL LEVELS PLEASE.
30. Sub80IQGreenpeaceactivist | July 7, 2021 at 4:54 am | Reply
I don’t have the intelligence to understand the science behind this, but I
can see a way to profit. I’m going to start the first black hole
conservation fund.
SAVE THE BLACK HOLES
31. Mike Gard | July 7, 2021 at 6:13 am | Reply
Pretty impressive but I still prefer South Melbourne Dim Sims to fill my
void.
32. Mike Gard | July 7, 2021 at 6:17 am | Reply
Pretty impressive but I still prefer South Melbourne Dim Sims to fill my
void.
33. BlackHolePreservationSociety | July 7, 2021 at 7:14 am | Reply
I don’t think that’s a good idea.
34. Sir Grandmaster Adler von Chase | July 7, 2021 at 12:40 pm | Reply
I say we put a “SUPER NOVA” into a super massive black hole! TOP THAT! (Mic
drop!)
35. Ohio2Montana | July 7, 2021 at 2:19 pm | Reply
This as with most science puts me in awe of the universe and Mans
abilities. As a young person, I would ask how, does God not have a
beginning, no one could give me a satisfactory answer. It’s simply stated
in the Bible that Gods ways and thoughts are higher than Mankind. That is a
statement even a child can understand. We can keep trying to learn, however
we will never learn all there is to know about Jehovah God and his ways.
Let’s have fun trying, no bombs please.
36. Vivek | July 7, 2021 at 8:02 pm | Reply
Whoso ever u r I suggest u to please readmission in school and please this
time focus more on physics
37. vikas | July 8, 2021 at 6:58 am | Reply
“This means that if negatively or positively charged particles move into
one area, the same amount of respectively charged particles must move out.”
Is that statement accurate ? If charged particles “move into an area”, it
seems to me that the area is no longer an isolated system.
38. Rich | July 8, 2021 at 2:02 pm | Reply
You people’s curiosity and scientific wonderment is going to yield the end
of mankind and many other unseen realms. Stop attacking destiny or it will
take a forever turn for the worse. An end to earth as we are a pebble in
the grand scheme of the universe. That can be prompted to self destruction.
Please stop now so you don’t unleash demonic irreversible aliens that eat
humans. Work on something more constructive Please. My kids thank you.
39. Life. | July 9, 2021 at 1:42 am | Reply
Some things in life are simple and not complicated. While it’s fun to think
about the possibilities it’s safe to say we all agree that black holes
swallow and eat everything. Axions are hypothetical particles in an attempt
to explain dark matter. Throw them in front of a black hole and they will
cease to exist and that’s if they even existed in the 1st place. A theory
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