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PRINTING A PAGE TWICE FROM DIFFERENT TRAY’S
Posted by spicehead-9agt3 on Jun 18th, 2007 at 12:58 PM
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Hello, oke. Now I have a question. :-) A customer of mine wants to print the
same job on 2 kinds of paper (so, from 2 different trays) and they should all
collect in one pile. So on the pile is: Page1(White), Page1(Red), Page2(White),
Page2(Red), Page3(White), Page3(Red)..... and so on. How would I do this?
Friendly greetings Rens Duijsens
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* previous_toolbox_user
pimiento
Jun 18th, 2007 at 1:06 PM
I would suggest :
$tray = "Tray1";
//call pageout with white paper
Callproc(outputpage);
$tray = "Tray2";
//call same pageout again with red paper
Callproc(outputpage);
$tray would be the variable in your platform folder under your printers.
Regards,
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* OP spicehead-9agt3
pimiento
Jun 18th, 2007 at 8:58 PM
Hi Sam,
thank you for your reply.
That would be real easy if that would work, wouldn't it? :-)
Than I would have solved my problem without having to think. :-D
But no..... that is not going to happen.
If I do a CallProc("outputpage") than the WHOLE process will run.
Lets assume, the process produces 2 pages. (So, a FrameOverflow occurs
during the process.)
So, Page 1 would come out on white paper, and page 2 would be on white
paper allso.
Than, we switch to red paper and do the CallProc("outputpage") again.
And page 1 comes out on red paper, and page 2 comes out on red
paper......
So the stack is: Page 1 (White), Page 2 (White), Page 1 (Red), Page 2
(Red).
Nope... Wrong!
It should be: Page 1 (White), page 1 (Red) and THAN page 2 (White), Page
2 (Red).
How are we going to do that?
Now I am forced to think. :-D
It is solvable, but I am looking for the most simple way.
Friendly greetings
Rens
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Van: Samvdb via streamserve-l
[mailto:streamserve-l@Groups.ITtoolbox.com]
Verzonden: ma 18-6-2007 15:01
Aan: Rens Duijsens
Onderwerp: RE: [streamserve-l] Printing a page twice from different
tray's
I would suggest :
$tray = "Tray1";
//call pageout with white paper
Callproc(outputpage);
$tray = "Tray2";
//call same pageout again with red paper
Callproc(outputpage);
$tray would be the variable in your platform folder under your printers.
Regards,
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* previous_toolbox_user
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 6:12 AM
Hmmm... I knew when you ask a question, that it wouldn't be that simple
:))
I don't really have an answer then. But I would try to split them up in
2 Pageouts instead of one. Then you can call 2 different Pageouts, and
set your tray accordingly. But this would probably be a lot of work I
guess,
Regards,
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* OP spicehead-9agt3
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 7:41 AM
Hi again.
Yes..... One process per page.... That could maybe be a solution.....
But I do not know in advance how much data I'm going to receive. How
many blocks of the same type.
When I call the first process to build the first page, how do I know
that it will fit on this one page and not overflow?
And how would I know to pickup at which part of the datastream to start
the second process/page?
StreamServe PageOut does not have an option 'ignore frameoverflow' so
everything stays on one page....
Like I sayed, I have a solution in mind, but it is rather complex
(hey.... it's me...) and I'd like to invesigate ideas of other people to
come to a simpeler solution if possible.
So.... all .... please think with me.
How would this be accompliced?
I need the brainpower of list. :-)
Lets make this a brainstrorm session!
friendly greetings
Rens
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Van: Samvdb via streamserve-l
[mailto:streamserve-l@Groups.ITtoolbox.com]
Verzonden: di 19-6-2007 8:05
Aan: Rens Duijsens
Onderwerp: RE: [streamserve-l] Printing a page twice from different
tray's
Hmmm... I knew when you ask a question, that it wouldn't be that simple
:))
I don't really have an answer then. But I would try to split them up in
2 Pageouts instead of one. Then you can call 2 different Pageouts, and
set your tray accordingly. But this would probably be a lot of work I
guess,
Regards,
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* previous_toolbox_user
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 7:56 AM
Hi,
Im a newbie on Streamserve but couldn't you use Sorting on the Output
Connector?
Regards,
Anders
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* OP spicehead-9agt3
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 9:17 AM
Hello Anders,
thanks for you input.
I thought of that to, but no......
With sorting, one can create piles of the same.
Than, you can print the pile one after an other.
The problem is, I need to alternate trays and repeat the last page.
I need to select a paper tray, print one page.
Select an other papertray and print the SAME page again.
So, the challenge comes in 2 parts.
1.
Repeat the page I have just handled.
There is no 'CallPage()' command.
In the platform I could use 'copies' with a variable.
If you enter a number in that variable, StreamServe sends one page to
the printer, and than THE PRINTER makes the copies.
In this way I could repeat one page as often as I like.
Than it sends the second page and does the same, than the next page and
so on.
But that does not allow me to solve the second problem.
2.
Switch papertray in-between.
One can set the paper tray selection on various places.
For instance at the start of the job, or start of the message, or start
of the process, or ... at the start of the page.
So I can select a tray per page.
But that does not allow me to solve the first problem, repeat output
PER PAGE.
There is no 'CallPage()' command. (Yet... Until I create it. :-)
So I do not see the solution in sorting.
But keep thinking with me please. You are helping.
Every idea is valuable.
Rens
________________________________
Van: anders_eklund via streamserve-l
[mailto:streamserve-l@Groups.ITtoolbox.com]
Verzonden: di 19-6-2007 9:35
Aan: Rens Duijsens
Onderwerp: RE: [streamserve-l] Printing a page twice from different
tray's
Hi,
Im a newbie on Streamserve but couldn't you use Sorting on the Output
Connector?
Regards,
Anders
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* previous_toolbox_user
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 9:52 AM
Hi Rens,
Not sure for this problem but maybe FlushOutput() can do the trick here.
Good luck, Erik
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* previous_toolbox_user
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 9:56 AM
Hi Rens,
This is tricky. I belive that Sam is right... I think his solution is the
only possible. Call one page with one tray setting and then call it again
with another tray setting.
Your job should be to organize the input so that one page is one process.
This can be done by sending the input to file. May be you can send the
document to a pdf file and then resend it via pdf in? I have not tested it,
but i think you can set the filters so that you handle each page as a
process. Or why not use the emf printer and create one large lxf and
reprocess it...
No solution though, but some thoughts of how to solve this.
Good luck!
andreas
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* previous_toolbox_user
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 9:56 AM
Hello,
You can try this
Create a binary (only namesakes with streamserve!!) variable with say
values "red" and "white".
Create a dummy free block(which does not display anything).
Call this block in the before overflow action and change the color from
"red" to "white" or vice versa.
Use this variable as your tray correspondent variable.
This should work when you are going to a next page from a frame
overflow.
Regards,
Vishal
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* previous_toolbox_user
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 10:02 AM
I have another idea, but It's complicated :)
What you could do is use the copies variable to have page 1 twice, and
page 2 twice, page 3 twice, etc, but don't print these files, send them
to a "text file" folder in your platform folder and give them a name
with % variable. So then you will have some files in the folder (ex.
Page1A.grb, Page1B.grb, Page2A.grb, Pae2B.grb).
Now that these files are made, but not printed yet, you can collect
them, and send them to the actual printer.
I would start with the same script before :
$copies = 2;
//send to the file folder
Callproc(allpages);
//pages are made, so now collect them
Callproc(sendpages_from_folder_to_output_printer);
In the " sendpages_from_folder_to_output_printer" Pageout the script
could be something like this (pseudocode):
Takepagesfromfolder;
While
{
Send pages to printer;
}
//now that everything has been send, delete the content of the folder
deleteContentFolder();
Would this work , or is this to complicated ? Have never tried this
though,
Regards,
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* previous_toolbox_user
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Have you thought about creating 2 output connectors and selecting different
tray options for each one.
Rob
----- Original Message ----
From: Rens Duijsens via streamserve-l
To: rob_v_williams
Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2007 9:57:35 AM
Subject: RE: [streamserve-l] Printing a page twice from different tray's
Hello Anders,
thanks for you input.
I thought of that to, but no......
With sorting, one can create piles of the same.
Than, you can print the pile one after an other.
The problem is, I need to alternate trays and repeat the last page.
I need to select a paper tray, print one page.
Select an other papertray and print the SAME page again.
So, the challenge comes in 2 parts.
1.
Repeat the page I have just handled.
There is no 'CallPage()' command.
In the platform I could use 'copies' with a variable.
If you enter a number in that variable, StreamServe sends one page to
the printer, and than THE PRINTER makes the copies.
In this way I could repeat one page as often as I like.
Than it sends the second page and does the same, than the next page and
so on.
But that does not allow me to solve the second problem.
2.
Switch papertray in-between.
One can set the paper tray selection on various places.
For instance at the start of the job, or start of the message, or start
of the process, or ... at the start of the page.
So I can select a tray per page.
But that does not allow me to solve the first problem, repeat output
PER PAGE.
There is no 'CallPage()' command. (Yet... Until I create it. :-)
So I do not see the solution in sorting.
But keep thinking with me please. You are helping.
Every idea is valuable.
Rens
________________________________
Van: anders_eklund via streamserve-l
[mailto:streamserve-l@Groups.ITtoolbox.com]
Verzonden: di 19-6-2007 9:35
Aan: Rens Duijsens
Onderwerp: RE: [streamserve-l] Printing a page twice from different
tray's
Hi,
Im a newbie on Streamserve but couldn't you use Sorting on the Output
Connector?
Regards,
Anders
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* OP spicehead-9agt3
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Yeah!
The StreamServe community comes alive!
Great. I like it. :-)
Thanks for the ideas you all.
I'll handle them one by one in the reply.
________________________________
---- Erik -------
Not sure for this problem but maybe FlushOutput() can do the trick
here.
-----------------
I'm not shure how you would make this work.
This function, as far as I can tell, just sends output to the printer
before it has been completed.
In this way you can send small bursts to the printer, in stead of one
gigantic bulk.
Mayby I'm overlooking a part of you thought process.
Do you have more information on how you would want to use this?
________________________________
---- Vishal ---------
Create a binary (only namesakes with streamserve!!) variable with say
values "red" and "white".
Create a dummy free block(which does not display anything).
Call this block in the before overflow action and change the color from
"red" to "white" or vice versa.
Use this variable as your tray correspondent variable.
This should work when you are going to a next page from a frame
overflow.
-----------------
Yes, this would work if I just wanted to print pages alternating on
white and erd paper.
The result would be 'Page 1 (White)', 'Page 2 (Red)', 'Page 3 (White)',
'Page 4 (Red)', and so on.
But I need: 'Page 1 (White)', 'Page 1 (Red)', 'Page 2 (White)', 'Page 2
(Red)', and so on.
How would you propose to send each page twice?
________________________________
---- Rob ------------
Have you thought about creating 2 output connectors and selecting
different tray options for each one.
-------------------------
Yeah, I thougth of that.
The problem with 2 output connectors, is that they create 2 separate
output jobs that are not mergable as far as I know.
________________________________
--- Andreas --------
Hi Rens,
This is tricky. I belive that Sam is right... I think his solution is
the
only possible. Call one page with one tray setting and then call it
again
with another tray setting.
Your job should be to organize the input so that one page is one
process.
This can be done by sending the input to file. May be you can send the
document to a pdf file and then resend it via pdf in? I have not tested
it,
but i think you can set the filters so that you handle each page as a
process. Or why not use the emf printer and create one large lxf and
reprocess it...
No solution though, but some thoughts of how to solve this.
-----------------
Resending via PDF...
Very close to the solution I had in mind, but with a new twist.
Intresting. I did not think of that.
Good idea.
________________________________
---- Sam ---------------------
I have another idea, but It's complicated :)
What you could do is use the copies variable to have page 1 twice, and
page 2 twice, page 3 twice, etc, but don't print these files, send them
to a "text file" folder in your platform folder and give them a name
with % variable. So then you will have some files in the folder (ex.
Page1A.grb, Page1B.grb, Page2A.grb, Pae2B.grb).
Now that these files are made, but not printed yet, you can collect
them, and send them to the actual printer.
I would start with the same script before :
$copies = 2;
//send to the file folder
Callproc(allpages);
//pages are made, so now collect them
Callproc(sendpages_from_folder_to_output_printer);
In the " sendpages_from_folder_to_output_printer" Pageout the script
could be something like this (pseudocode):
Takepagesfromfolder;
While
{
Send pages to printer;
}
//now that everything has been send, delete the content of the folder
deleteContentFolder();
Would this work , or is this to complicated ? Have never tried this
though,
------------------------------------------
Complicated.... Yeah, so was the solution I had in mind.
And this comes very near to the solution I had in mind.
You have some nice additional ideas however.
Good ideas.
________________________________
What I had in mind was:
*
Process the data via PageOut.
*
Every line that will be processed, I write into a file to.
*
After every PAGE, I write a FormFeed to that file to.
*
After each message (event) I close the file and start a new one.
Now, after the job I have several files with all the information I need.
*
Than I read in this file.
Can be done via the internal loop connector, so afterwards we do not
have to clean up the files.
I have to set the input to process each page as an event.
*
I create a PageOut process, that just puts the lines tha are erad on
the page.
I know for shure that they will fit on one page, so I can CallProc
the process twice each with different tray settings.
What I like about you ideas:
* Use PDF of LXF to process the first PageOut.
Read that in in the second loop.
This way, I would not have to do the layout for the PageOut in the
first AND in the second loop.
The first loop does the layout, and the second loop can do just the
paper selection and duplication.
Nice. :-)
* I do not know if it is possible to set 'copies' in the LXF printer.
I have to look in to that.
In the PDF-driver it is possible.
That would take care of the duplication in the output process.
So I do not have to CallProc twice.
The second loop does only have to flip-flip the trays.
Nice. :-)
Good ideas fellows.
Thanks!
Rens
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* spicehead-klqlb2jt
pimiento
Jun 19th, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Hi Rens
you should make an callproc twice and set the tray of the printer to
different options.
callproc("PageOUT")
$tray = "Main tray";
callproc("PageOUT")
$tray = "Drawer 5";
In the runtime you need to set the Tray selection as a variable ($tray) and
make sure your driver actually can hit the right tray on the psysical
printer.
StreamServe will keep the documents together and the result will be as you
want I believe.
/werge
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* spicehead-t5wouiof
pimiento
Jun 22nd, 2007 at 1:23 PM
Hi Rens,
that's really a challenge.
My idea is to split the job to 1 event per page. I did something
like that using internals connectors:
The first job will insert the begin event statement in the stream
before each page and it will send the output (streamout) to a
internal output connector. on the internal input connector in
the second job you have prepared stream with event for every
page. in that case is one process enough, it have to be called
twice with different tray settings.
Rgds.
Moyo
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