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* 4000009: CONSIDERATIONS FOR CHANGING YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS
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* * June 25, 2019 at 8:40 pm #1859089
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AKB 4000009: Considerations for changing your email address
by @jknauth
Published June 26, 2019 | rev 1.0
(See the original here, especially if you want to print it.)
HAVE A PLAN. KEEP GOOD RECORDS. START EARLY. DON’T RUSH!
Changing your main email address can be a time-consuming and frustrating
process, but may be necessary. For example, it might be required if you
switch to a different network. Below is some of what I encountered when
I finally changed my address. Hopefully this may help you avoid some
surprises.
Probably you will have many organizations (companies, government
departments, institutions, charities, etc.) as well as many people to
notify about the change. Just figuring out whom to notify and how to do
it can be a big chore.
Then when you try to update the email address in your accounts on the
various organizations’ websites, you will probably find that many of the
requested updates don’t work. Almost a quarter of the well over 100
organizations I notified did not handle it well, if at all. (Updating
personal correspondents is a lot easier.) You may think you have
successfully made the change thru an organization’s website and then
find they are still using your old address, maybe months later. The
organization didn’t change its records everywhere it should have when
you told them to update the address. Some don’t even provide a way for
you to request a change. For a login ID, some use the original email
address you entered at account-setup; however they don’t provide a way
to change the login ID if you later change your email address. Some may
refuse to accept the format of your new email address. Some even provide
links to obsolete or non-existent “profile” web pages. You just have to
keep bugging the appropriate Support people (hopefully you can reach
them) until they fix their problems or give you a workaround.
Getting completely switched over to the new address can take months.
Don’t wait until the last moment to start the change process, i.e.,
don’t wait until just a few days before your old email address will stop
working. You don’t want important emails being sent into a black hole
because the sender hasn’t yet switched to the new address. Note that
some websites require that you still have access to the old email
address to authorize the change to a new email address. Presumably for a
long time you will need the ability to send/receive with both the old
and new email addresses.
With so much going on, it can be very helpful to keep a log of all the
requested changes, as well as when and how you made them. Record any
problems you had and how you resolved them or are trying to resolve
them.
PLANNING AND NOTIFICATION STAGES
To help me see how much work might lie ahead, a few weeks before
starting notifications about the email address change I did a lot of
prep work. I went thru all the websites I would need to notify about the
change and made a list of what was required to do a “profile” update for
each. I did no notifications yet; in fact at this point I still did not
have a fully tested new address. Finding out how to do the update at a
website sometimes required a good deal of exploration since the update
process was not always obvious. Having this how-to list made things much
easier when I did the actual website updates weeks later.
Similarly in this pre-notify period, I went thru all my email address
books, trimming them down and using Thunderbird’s flagging and sorting
facilities to group those people I would later notify. This made the
later notifications pretty easy to do. Also during this time I did text
searches on my PCs to find miscellaneous files that had my current email
address and might need to be updated. That meant I could very quickly
switch to updated files when my notifications began.
In summary, I separated a lot of the work into a pre-notify planning
stage to get a feel for what I was about to get into (and maybe to
decide not to do the change at all if there was some showstopper). Of
key importance, I could do all this planning work well before I had even
settled on a specific new email address. Having already done so much
work in the planning stage also meant that during the later notification
stage I could concentrate mainly on solving problems, which I knew would
arise. The work done during the planning stage made the notification
stage easier to do. This split into planning and notification stages
worked out very well in my case.
WHY I CHOSE MY NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
I have had my own website for a long time. It comes with an email
capability provided by the website hosting company. I had not used that
facility much until I recently decided to change my email address to an
address independent of my internet access provider (currently Spectrum).
After some thought and testing, I decided to use my website’s facility
to provide my new email address. That meant my PC-based (POP3) email
processing was essentially unchanged from what I was used to with my
current email address. I preferred an address provided by my website vs.
one supplied by something like Gmail because I wanted to have my mail
logs on my PC, enabling my own backups and specialized searches.
However, for many other people, using something like Gmail (with IMAP)
may be a better choice.
In the testing of my new email address, I did find one problem; it was
associated with email attachments. I reported the problem and the web
hosting company fixed it in less than two hours. Other than that, the
new email address has worked very well. *BY FAR* the main problems I
have had are not with the working of the new address, but have been with
getting some organizations to accept it and use it instead of the old
address. Many of the problems I encountered are described below.
GET AND TEST A NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
Your access-provider Internet Service Provider is the organization that
gives you a physical connection to the internet, e.g., Spectrum, AT&T,
Comcast, CenturyLink, and Ting. Here I will use ISP to mean
access-provider Internet Server Provider. Many such ISPs also provide
email services, such as giving you an email address.
Is your current email address provided by your current ISP, e.g.,
samjones@nc.rr.com from Spectrum? If so, changing ISPs, e.g., to switch
networks, very probably means losing that email address.
Some considerations when getting a new email address:
* Choose an email address which is independent of your (new) ISP.
Otherwise you’ll lose the new address if you change ISPs again.
* Paid or free? Security? Support? Easy to type and remember?
* Location of your mail logs? (pros and cons are not covered here)
Using POP3 protocols: Mail logs are on your PC.
Using IMAP protocols: Mail logs are in the cloud.
* Which of your devices will need to use the new address?
Set up and test your prospective new email address and email system.
* Try all the things you can do currently:
Send/receive messages, large/small, attachments, CC/BCC, address lists,
etc.
Test on your PCs, using local email programs (e.g., Thunderbird) or
browsers, as appropriate.
Test on your phones, tablets, etc.
Don’t forget some less obvious gear you may have set to email you
alerts:
* Alarms, refrigerators Internet of Things, etc.
If relevant, test at the cloud site providing the new email address.
If you reached this point successfully, you should now have a good new
email address to change to. Of course you don’t want to start asking
others to switch to the new address until you are sure it is good. Then
the following three major areas must be dealt with; each has some
problems.
HAVE ORGANIZATIONS SWITCH TO YOUR NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
* To update the email address to be used for you by an organization,
you first must “login”.
* The organization website’s “login”/”signin” link may be hard to
find.
* You may have forgotten your login ID and/or password and must do
some sort of reset.
* The website’s “profile” updating process may be difficult to use.
* Non-obvious link to your “profile” after login:
– E.g., buried among many other links at the bottom of the page or
in some (possible hidden) sidebar/dropdown.
* Inconsistent terminology used by websites:
– “Profile”, “settings”, “preferences”, “personal information”,
“general information”, “user information”, “manage account”, etc.,
as well as some icons without identifying text. Hopefully your
email address is within one of these.
* Inconsistent website verification of the new email address:
– Some request reentry of a password; some send an email to the new
email address and require you to click a link in it; some send a
security code text message to your phone; some do nothing.
* The update process may simply fail (poorly implemented — see
below).
* Some websites had bugs that popped up when I tried to do the update:
* Didn’t recognize a valid email address format, e.g., “name” in the
jgkhome.name part of the email address. The “name” Top Level Domain
(TLD) has been valid since 2002.
– The following organizations apparently had this TLD “name”
recognition problem. In two it occurred in two different divisions
of the same organization, each with its own unique procedure; these
required multiple fixes by two separate Support groups and I had to
deal with each separately:
===> Red Cross (2: donate blood, donate cash), Humana (2: drugs,
dental), National Geographic (1: newsletter)
* Provided a “profile update” link to a no-longer-existent web page.
===> Dell (problem quickly fixed)
* Have the email address spread around in multiple places, not all
accessible/known to the user. If the “profile” update you make does
not change them all, the old address may still be used for some
emails they send you, or be used for verification checks, or be
used for something else.
===> IBM Matching Grants left my employee serial number tied to my
old email address. Verification checks then failed, preventing any
request for a matching grant for a charity. The problem was
subsequently fixed.
===> MANY MORE organizations exhibited (and continue to exhibit)
the scattered address problem! It will probably take a long time
for all this dust to settle. Eventually some unimportant emails,
e.g., ads and charity solicitations, may get lost (still sent to my
old, finally non-operational address). Hopefully no organizations
have created long-delay, email address time bombs for important
communications. Organizations need to do a far better job in this
area. A user should be able to update an email address easily,
securely, and reliably at an organization, and have the update
propagated everywhere required within a reasonable time.
* To resolve such bugs you must contact the website’s Support.
– Hopefully they will make a good fix so others won’t hit the same
bugs. Or they may just do a one-off, ad hoc workaround for you and
the next person(s) will encounter the original problems.
* There are possible problems if the old email address is used as your
login ID. Processing varies.
* Some sites update the login ID to the new email address when you
update the address.
* Others require a separate update for the login ID; hopefully they
make this process clear.
* Others don’t allow any login ID update at all.
– Then you’re stuck with having an old email address as your ID.
– What happens if the website later tries to send to the old
(by-then-deleted) email address?
* Sometimes the website’s Support people can do a manual update if
nothing else works.
* If possible, it would probably be a good idea to no longer use an
email address as a login ID.
* It can take a while for each requested change to take effect.
* * In the meantime they may still send you emails to the old
address.
– I learned that some mailing list blasts are frozen (with the
then-current email addresses) as much as six weeks before being sent,
perhaps by some hired emailer company.
* Some organizations, e.g., utilities, may take a month before
sending to you again.
– You may not know until then how well the sender has really
handled your requested update.
* Updates for newsletters, charity mailings, ads, etc. received by
email.
* Probably you are on many mailing lists, some undesired. If any
(likely many) are not automatically handled by all the above
website notifications you did for the email address change, you can
now do a mailing list triage:
– Try to notify those lists you want to stay on (assuming they
provide a way to do this).
– Try to unsubscribe from those you want to drop (assuming they
provide a way to do this).
– Let the rest eventually fall into the black hole of your old
(to-be-deleted) email address.
* Sometimes the received emails contains links to update your email
address or to unsubscribe.
– These may not work. See above for some possible failures by the
sender’s website.
* You may need to “unsubscribe” under the old address, then
resubscribe under the new one.
* Often for charities you can do the update by returning one of the
frequent hardcopy mailings they send you via USPS. The return forms
usually have an email address field. They’ll probably pay more
attention if you include a donation.
HAVE YOUR PERSONAL CORRESPONDENTS SWITCH TO YOUR NEW EMAIL ADDRESS
* Examine and clean up your address books.
* Probably they have accumulated a lot of clutter over the years.
* Sort thru the entries to decide which correspondents to notify.
* Maybe you should now delete many of the little-used entries.
* Decide how to notify the desired correspondents.
* Individually, or by small groups, or by a mass mailing.
– Caution: Some mail servers restrict the size of mass mailings.
* To lessen the chance of being “spam filtered” by the receiver, it
may be better to send the “My new email address is …” notifications
from your old email address rather than the new one.
– Presumably your old address is known by the receiver and
considered good.
– Sending from the old address also means the received notification
message may explicitly show your name as the sender in the
receiver’s inbox — thus more likely to be read.
* Do the notifications and monitor who has paid attention. Hopefully
many people will respond and acknowledge the change.
HANDLE EVERYTHING ELSE WHERE YOUR OLD EMAIL ADDRESS MIGHT APPEAR
* Find and update device files which contain the old email address:
– Letter templates, website source files, shortcut keys, etc.
– These may be on PCs, tablets, smartphones, and similar devices.
* Update “hardcopy” items that have the old email address:
– Business cards, letterheads, brochures, answering machine
announcements, billboards, truck signs, airplane banners, tee shirts,
tattoos, etc. — you will find that email addresses are ubiquitous,
particularly if yours has now become obsolete.
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* June 26, 2019 at 1:25 am #1859346
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AskWoody Lounger
I’ll discuss this a bit differently, having done tons of migrations
while working at a MSP. My perspective is going to be migrating from the
most common setups to gmail for all Windows PC scenarios. This doesn’t
cover business situations that should involve your company’s IT
department, like trying to do anything with OST files (do a proper
export or use OST2 in a true emergency), or migrating to GSuite Business
(just use gsuite sync!).
Index:
* Section 1 – local app users only – pitfalls I’ve encountered
* Section 2 – creating a gmail account and preparing for migration to a
new account
* Section 3 – steps if you want to just do a straight web-based email
to web-based email migration (if you only ever used the web-based
email access before, or if you previously used IMAP, or if you don’t
mind migrating whatever email exists in your provider’s POP3
mailbox).
* Section 4 – Prepare for the number of website accounts you’re going
to have to change
Section 1: Local App Users Only: This section applies to users that only
use local mail apps on their computer, like Outlook, Thunderbird,
Windows 10 Mail, or Windows Live Mail.
If you only use email in the web browser, skip to Section 3 below.
Firstly: If you had email set up locally on your PC with POP3 (and not
IMAP), depending on the configuration this may make it harder to
migrate. For your future setup, consider using the web-based version, or
at the very worst IMAP. There’s no good reason to use POP3 anymore other
than to create sadness for technical people and data recovery
situations.
1. Please ensure that you have good working backups before you do
anything. Ensure your backup software isn’t configured to skip those
mail store files (pst, mbox, eml, etc). If you don’t have backups,
consider trying something like BackBlaze if you don’t want to worry
about managing and maintaining a local backup device.
2. Try to examine your current email program to see if it’s set up for
IMAP or POP. If you can’t determine that (or if you see multiple
accounts), perform the following checks below:
1. If you login to your mail provider’s web-based version of your
old email and you don’t see everything (like you only see the
last 5 or 14 or 30 days of email), then it’s likely that your old
email only exists locally within your local email application. Be
careful with what’s on your PC – Too often I’ve seen this with
legacy GoDaddy email accounts, where users had 100mb inboxes but
stored 10GB of their mail in Outlook in a POP3 setup. Their web
inbox was just big enough to hold email when Outlook wasn’t
running before it synced it down to their PC. Even worse is that
you get 2 different sets of email on your phone vs your PC unless
you keep your email application always running.
2. If you see tons of mail, going back years, but you also see
emails that you’ve deleted in your local email program, just
assume that everything you’ve saved locally on your PC has not
synchronized back to the web provider. This is typical of a POP3
setup. If you were to try to migrate the data from the web-based
set of data, just be aware that you may be migrating a bunch of
junk you already deleted.
3. If you login to your old email provider’s website and see the
same synced folders and emails that you have in your local email
app, you’re probably set up with IMAP. If you don’t see any
folders synchronized to the website but you have them in your
local email app, you’re probably running POP3.
3. Only email is synced with IMAP or POP3. Not Contacts, Calendar
items, Tasks, etc. Be sure to look up specific steps for your
application to backup these sets of data.
4. If all of your email is determined to only exist on your local
computer in an app, be mindful that some apps have made it quite
hard to migrate away from them and you’re likely going to have a
harder time.
1. Outlook: If you’re set up in Outlook, you actually have the best
chance to migrate the mail out successfully. Most of the time,
you’d:
1. Enable IMAP in your gmail account
2. Change the IMAP Limits Per Folder in gmail IMAP settings.
3. Export your mail to PST in Outlook. Ensure to check the “And
all subfolders” when selecting your profile to export, or
otherwise it’s going to only export the Inbox and nothing
else. The Profile item is at the top of the selection list
screen. This will take a long time and may require a
substantial amount of disk space (usually anywhere from 500MB
to 50GB)
4. Go to Contacts and export any contacts
5. Go to Calendar and export each calendar that you wish to keep
individually, so you can import them later.
6. Create a new Outlook profile in Control Panel (don’t delete
the current one)
7. Set up gmail locally in IMAP in the new profile and make that
new profile your default profile
8. Launch Outlook and import your saved PST into the empty IMAP
setup
9. I believe Google has set sync limits for email to be imported
this way, so just keep in mind that you may need to keep
Outlook opened for an extended period (days?) for this method
to work.
10. We exported to PST first because it re-validates the data on
each email when exporting it, ensuring that it should import
successfully wherever you go to use the mail. Often, older
copies of email in Outlook change as the product gets patched
or upgraded so it’s important to let Outlook re-validate this
before trying to move it. While we could have used scanpst,
this can actually cause corruption of the original working
mailstore and is beyond the scope of this type of article.
2. Thunderbird:
1. Set up a gmail IMAP account in Thunderbird
2. Create any folders in the gmail account in Thunderbird that
you want to migrate from the old account
3. Open a folder in the old account in Thunderbird
4. Highlight any mail you want to copy (Ctrl-A should highlight
all mail)
5. Right click one of the messages and choose Copy To -> gmail
address -> folder you created.
6. Rinse, wash, repeat manually for each folder.
7. Keep Thunderbird open until it’s done syncing everything to
gmail.
3. Windows 10 Mail app
1. You can only manually export each message as a .eml, one at a
time.
2. Remember: If you’re using IMAP, all of the mail should be on
the web interface. If you’re using POP3 with Windows 10 Mail
app, then all of your email is likely stuck locally on the PC
unless the website retained it all (even what you deleted). It
may be easier to migrate from what’s on the old email
provider’s website instead.
4. Windows Live Email
1. We’ll all pray for you.
2. Consider looking into reputable 3rd party programs to handle
the migration from Windows Live Mail EML files to a unicode
PST for Outlook 2007 or newer, then follow the Outlook steps
above to do the migration. Be sure to only buy programs that
offer a trial that you’ve tested and ones that offer refunds
if it doesn’t work. There’s tons of scammy programs out there
that try to do this.
5. If you do set up gmail on your local application again, please be
mindful to test the send/receive, and then confirm that emails are
being received and sent properly.
Section 2: Steps to create your new gmail account and prepare for the
migration:
1. Create your new gmail account by going to gmail.com and following
the new account process.
1. I highly suggest setting up 2FA (2 Factor Authentication) at the
same time as a security measure, so that it’s nearly impossible
for someone to get into your account even if your password
becomes compromised. Google offers multiple methods – a text with
a security code, a 2FA rotating code on an app on your phone
(like Authy, Google Authenticator, or Microsoft Authenticator),
or even a simple notification for Android (any phone with that
account on it) or iOS devices (any iPhone or iPad running the
GMail app or the Google app, and the iPhone needs to be a 5S or
newer). See here for more details:
https://myaccount.google.com/signinoptions/two-step-verification
2. On the old email account, set up auto-reply (vacation alert). There
should be an option to only send the vacation reminder to your
stored contacts – that’ll help keep the auto-reply away from vendors
and spam mail. Obviously this means that you need to ensure everyone
is in your stored contacts, but that’s usually already the case.
3. Send an email out to everyone from your old email account contacts
in batches. Most email providers have an email sending limit as well
as a number-of-contacts-per-email limit. Search for your limits for
your old email provider (or if it’s your Internet Provider, call
them and ask). For instance, hotmail let you send up to 300 messages
per day, but only up to 100 contacts per email. So at the very most,
that’s 3 emails with 100 contacts and then you’d wait 24 hours
before sending more. Gmail allows 500 total emails per day (where
each contact on an email chain counts as an individual email), and
also supports up to 500 recipients in a single email (one 500 person
email and then you’d wait 24 hours).
4. Letting them know preemptively that you’ve updated to a new gmail
address from your old address also makes the address change more
legitimate. In the process, you may learn that a few of your email
contacts are also out of date! Update your contacts list, and then
export it to CSV (literally all apps/websites support contact import
via CSV). If you’re unfamiliar with CSVs, it’s a large unstyled
excel sheet that can be opened/edited in a simple text editor like
Notepad as well. We’ll be keeping this CSV as a just-in-case backup.
We’re doing this because you can run into problems importing more
than 3000 contacts at a time into gmail. Often you have to break
them into chunks before importing. Overall, gmail can handle 25000
contacts, which is more than enough for most people, but I have seen
people hit the 3000 import-in-one-file limit before.
Section 3: Steps if you want to just do a straight web-based email to
web-based email migration
If you only ever used the web-based email access before, or if your
previous local email setup was IMAP, or if you don’t mind migrating
whatever email exists in your provider’s POP3 mailbox, this section is
for you.
1. Login to gmail. Click the gear icon towards the top right and choose
“Configure Inbox”. I highly suggest enabling these tabs (and
checking “Include starred in Primary”, especially if you have social
media accounts and forums, as it makes it easier to clean up items.
Typically, I “mark as read” everything under Social, Promotions, and
Forums without worrying about missing something important when I get
too many messages, as 99,9% of the important stuff ends up under
Updates or Primary. It’s been consistent for me for years.
2. Click the Gear icon again and choose settings -> Accounts and Import
-> Import Mail and Contacts.
3. It’ll ask for your old email credentials, if you want to import mail
and contacts, and if you want to keep importing any new mail for the
next 30 days. It will also ask if you want to apply a label to all
of your imported mail – labels are like folders, but that you can
categorize items into multiple labels. I’d I’d suggest attaching a
label with your old email provider’s name (like Hotmail), check all
of those checkboxes, then click Start The Import.
4. This will run for quite a long time depending on how much mail you
have, and will display an import status within gmail.
5. You can close out of everything once it’s started running, as it’ll
continue to run in the background on google’s end.
6. If you want to continue receiving old account emails beyond 30 days,
you can usually set up forwarding on the old account.
Section 4: Prepare for the sheer number of website accounts you’re going
to have to change
1. Do your most important email address changes first. Keep in mind
that some websites/companies will make you open up a whole new
account to change an email address, but these should be few and far
between nowadays. If you have issues, call their support directly.
This list is pretty rambling and extensive, and is in no particular
order:
1. Money-related stuff: Banks, Credit Union, credit cards, store
cards, Paypal, Loan Providers, student loans, IRA Administrator,
Investment management, accountant, tax prep (including TurboTax
and HRBlock).
2. Bills: gas, electric, phone, cable, internet, cell phones,
sewers, water, garbage/recycling, ezpass/tolls, bus pass,
parking pass, HOA
3. Insurance companies: home, auto, renters, health, dental, life
4. Security, alarms, one-off household hardware (sprinkler
controls, IoT devices controlled from mobile apps, TVs/Roku
5. Any business you interact with on a yearly or bi-yearly basis.
Yearly subscriptions, like software or magazines. Bi-yearly
stuff, like your doctor, dentist, vet, car dealership,
fishing/hunting license,
6. Any business you interact with on a monthly basis (more
subscriptions). This includes web services like Netflix, Hulu,
TeamViewer, etc.
7. Online Shopping/Selling websites (Amazon, Newegg, eBay,
craigslist, Kohls, etsy)
8. Offline shopping (Ollie’s, harbor freight, walmart)
9. File storage (OneDrive, dropbox, box, mediafire)
10. Travel websites (expedia, rental car companies, hotels)
11. Pharmacy websites where you can request a refill via website or
app
12. UPS/FedEx/USPS accounts
13. Clubs/organizations/CO-OPs, including Costco, Sam’s Club, BJs,
REI.
14. Social websites (facebook, twitter, linkedin, flickr,
soundcloud, youtube, reddit, yelp, etc)
15. Any important warranty registrations (car, power tools,
computers, pc part companies)
16. Any software you bought a lifetime subscription to (email may be
required to download the full copy or access your license key)
17. Libraries
18. Dynamic DNS setups
19. Bitcoin account and/or wallet
20. Steam and other game services like Steam
21. Forums
22. Hospitals, companies like LabCorp
23. Entertainment (pandora, AMC theatres)
24. Your resume, every resume uploaded to job search websites, and
every job search website account. Do this now, even if you’re
not looking for a job. When you are looking for a job years
later, and you initially start applying with old info
everywhere, you’ll have a sad time with lost opportunities.
25. If any other email accounts use the old email account as a
recovery email account.
26. Any websites where you listed your email in plaintext (a
personal blog)
27. Any laptop/desktop/tablet/smartphone
28. Any business cards
29. Food websites (taco bell, chick-fil-a, grubhub, orderup,
petsmart
30. Whatever company you work for, if they have a record of your
personal email anywhere. My secretary has it just in case the
pinata called 365 Hosted Exchange finally breaks.
2. Once you’ve got all of your email into gmail, start searching for
items under the Updates inbox tab in gmail for things that you
missed. Then tackle Social, Forums, and Promotions tabs. To do this
efficiently: You can filter to a specific tab category by search for
“category:social” and then adding “-@facebookmail.com” to filter out
any emails from facebook (the minus filters it out). For example, if
I wanted to filter out facebook and linkedin, I’d do
“category:social -@facebookmail.com -@linkedin.com” and see
everything under the social tab that wasn’t from facebook or
linkedin.
3. Check your bank account statements for any recurring
subscriptions/bills/bill payer that you pay for. I thought I had
everything but nearly forgot one, and it was because their
notification email address didn’t match the company name.
4. The last place to check would be to check your saved passwords for
any websites you missed. For the most common browsers, you should be
able to use WebBrowserPassView from nirsoft.net, but be aware it
will get flagged by nearly every AV product out there because
malicious people love to utilize this great free tool for nefarious
things. On its own it’s completely clean and very useful for
personal backup/reference, or for migration to a password management
tool. Depending on your setup, it may not be able to pull Chrome
passwords or any passwords saved in addon password managers like
LastPass, so you’d have to reference those directly within chrome or
the password manager.
* This reply was modified 2 years, 2 months ago by VulturEMaN. Reason:
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* June 26, 2019 at 5:55 am #1859713
jabeattyauditor
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> VulturEMaN wrote:
>
> Firstly: If you had email set up locally on your PC with POP3 (and
> not IMAP), depending on the configuration this may make it harder to
> migrate. For your future setup, consider using the web-based
> version, or at the very worst IMAP. There’s no good reason to use
> POP3 anymore other than to create sadness for technical people and
> data recovery situations.
Of course, that assumes that your email provider is worthy of
maintaining the only copy of your online correspondence. MSPs can fail
(technically or financially), can be attacked, or can prove themselves
unworthy of such trust.
Local email storage (preferably redundant) has its place, especially
for home users who would otherwise have no backups to turn to.
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* July 7, 2019 at 6:33 am #1870804
Lugh
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Thanks to the first two posters for your comprehensive posts.
> VulturEMaN wrote:
>
> There’s no good reason to use POP3 anymore
That’s not true, the reasons have been well documented here by me and
others, so I’m not going to repeat them—don’t have time anyway.
POP3 is simple to use with multiple devices too. Set one as your HQ,
and configure deletion from the server either on download, or when you
delete the email locally. All other devices, configure to leave the
email on the server.
With regard to the general topic, by far the surest way is to get your
own domain, as others have said above.
Fyi there are temp email services which some may find useful. Eg 10
Minute Mail will give you an address which will go dead after 10
mins—useful for some sign-up & confirmation routines.
Lugh.
~
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* June 26, 2019 at 6:28 am #1859764
berniec
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I have yet another slant on this [two actually]. first, I’m a pop3/local
email user. That eliminates the problem of moving thousands of on-server
emails from one place to another. My PC is my central hub and email on
my tablet is secondary and I haven’t yet had a need to go through that
email from five years ago on it. I use IMAP on my tablet when I’m away
from my PC and then when I get home I just move the tablet’s email back
to the “inbox” and it all magically gets downloaded to my PC. Note that
I also don’t keep ALL of my email. On an average day I think I get maybe
5 or 10 emails worth keeping and I just delete the rest. Another aspect
of this [think “John Podesta” :o)] is that I don’t trust the online
servers. From what I can tell, they have no legal obligation to preserve
their service [your email could disappear tomorrow!] nor to keep it
private [beyond the obvious, where they scan your email, basically, to
spy on you so they can send you ads].
Second, for decades now I’ve just used a “personal” domain. Again,
that’s not particularly expensive and makes changing email addresses
much easier . I have public posts from 20+ years ago that have my email
address in them and even though it is going to a different mail server,
it is the same email address.
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* June 26, 2019 at 7:00 am #1859790
mn–
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(IMAP)
> jabeattyauditor wrote:
>
> Of course, that assumes that your email provider is worthy of
> maintaining the only copy of your online correspondence
Using IMAP doesn’t prevent keeping a local copy. Multi-folder trees
synced over IMAP is what I usually recommend…
You can sync that to multiple devices even. Cross-sync between 2 servers
is also possible.
> berniec wrote:
>
> for decades now I’ve just used a “personal” domain. Again, that’s not
> particularly expensive and makes changing email addresses much easier
> . I have public posts from 20+ years ago that have my email address in
> them and even though it is going to a different mail server, it is the
> same email address
This is a very good way to do things, yes. IF you can get a decent deal
on it – some offerings I’ve seen were rather more expensive than they
should be. Also requires a bit more technical skills than usual.
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* June 26, 2019 at 7:12 am #1859804
Mele20
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> VulturEMaN wrote:
>
> There’s no good reason to use POP3 anymore other than to create
> sadness for technical people and data recovery situations.
What do you mean by that very puzzling remark? Are you actually
advocating folks sell their souls to gmail and the like? I refuse to
communicate with ANYONE who uses gmail and since a lot of users know
that privacy oriented users hate gmail they deliberately try to fake a
non gmail account so I haven’t communicated with most people by email in
many years.
I have used Thunderbird since its inception. I keep all email on my
ISP’s servers forever (about 18 years now) and on my computers the TB
folders reside on my D drive NOT the SSD C drive. I still Telnet
occasionally into the mail server as that can be very useful at times. I
use email for forum registrations, website purchases, etc. NEVER for
personal mail (exept one ccount outside the USA). I use POP ONLY. I hate
webmail but I have to access it to make changes in any account from my
ISP. For the few personal contacts that I allow, I use an Israeli email
account that is far more secure than my ISP or other USA email accounts.
None of my accounts in TB have my real name under “your name”..all names
are fake.
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* June 26, 2019 at 7:48 am #1859842
mn–
AskWoody Lounger
> Mele20 wrote:
>
> What do you mean by that very puzzling remark?
Huh? What does the client protocol have to do with specific service
providers?
Most of the small ISPs around the planet have offered IMAP for more
than 10 years now, some much longer.
POP3 is a headache mostly because most of the end-user visible
implementations don’t differentiate between mail that’s still on the
server and mail that’s only stored locally. Wasn’t just once or twice
that I’ve had to tell people their mail folders were stored only
locally on the old device, and of course their backups didn’t include
the mail client’s backend storage in any usable format.
Modern versions of Thunderbird allow local storage in Maildir format,
which is greatly preferable – you can actually back up and recover
single mails from that. Getting an IMAP-synced Maildir-format folder
tree on Windows was unreasonably hard for a long time already.
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* June 26, 2019 at 8:06 am #1859908
n2ubp
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> Mele20 wrote:
> > VulturEMaN wrote:
> >
> > There’s no good reason to use POP3 anymore other than to create
> > sadness for technical people and data recovery situations.
>
> What do you mean by that very puzzling remark? Are you actually
> advocating folks sell their souls to gmail and the like? I refuse to
> communicate with ANYONE who uses gmail and since a lot of users know
> that privacy oriented users hate gmail they deliberately try to fake a
> non gmail account so I haven’t communicated with most people by email
> in many years.
>
> I have used Thunderbird since its inception. I keep all email on my
> ISP’s servers forever (about 18 years now) and on my computers the TB
> folders reside on my D drive NOT the SSD C drive. I still Telnet
> occasionally into the mail server as that can be very useful at times.
> I use email for forum registrations, website purchases, etc. NEVER for
> personal mail (exept one ccount outside the USA). I use POP ONLY. I
> hate webmail but I have to access it to make changes in any account
> from my ISP. For the few personal contacts that I allow, I use an
> Israeli email account that is far more secure than my ISP or other USA
> email accounts. None of my accounts in TB have my real name under
> “your name”..all names are fake.
Count your lucky stars if you have had the same e-mail address thru your
ISP for decades. I’ve moved around from ISP to ISP every few years, my
oldest e-mail address would have been based on FIDOnet link into the
Internet, followed by dial-up netcom, followed by Warwick.net, followed
by Citlink.net, followed by Hotmail, Juno, Yahoo, Aol, GMail,
Winlink.Org, HVC.RR.COM, Frontiernet.net, ARRL.NET, etc. A long time ago
I decided to make the hotmail account my main e-mail account and have
not been sorry for this decision. Citlink turned into Frontier and sold
off their e-mail to Yahoo which was bought out by Verizon. It’s a real
mess trying to configure many but not all Frontier run by Yahoo e-mail
accounts for Thunderbird due to the non Yahoo standard security settings
put in place by Frontier.
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* June 26, 2019 at 12:25 pm #1860433
wavy
AskWoody Plus
Get your own domain
Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road
will get you there.
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* June 27, 2019 at 9:02 pm #1861411
MrJimPhelps
AskWoody MVP
Years ago I asked people on Windows Secrets Forums what they
recommended I do – I had to change email addresses, but I never wanted
to have to do it again after doing that one time. It was recommended
that I get my own domain.
For your personal email, you should consider getting an .org domain
rather than a .com domain – there are a lot more .org domains than
there are .com domains.
Once you get your own domain, you’ll never have to change email
addresses again, as long as you keep up with the registration fees on
your domain – in other words, you’ll own it for the rest of your life.
If you get your own domain, you’ll need to host your email with
someone. There are a lot of good hosting companies out there. In fact,
they may give you unlimited email addresses with your email hosting.
You’ll be tempted to give everyone an email address on your domain;
but keep in mind that if you do that, you will be stuck with those
people forever, because if you cancel them, they will need to go
through the hassle of changing their email address with everyone.
Group "L" (Linux Mint)
with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
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* June 26, 2019 at 2:03 pm #1860474
Berton
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> wavy wrote:
>
> Get your own domain
And a good hosting service that also provides E-Mail service and
SPAM/Virus/Malware protection.
Before you wonder "Am I doing things right," ask "Am I doing the right
things?"
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* June 26, 2019 at 5:09 pm #1860680
Michael432
AskWoody_MVP
I disagree with the goal of having a single new email address. The
safest way to operate is to use multiple email addresses all of them
tied to a domain that you own. For ex:
amazon@mydomain.com
somemagazine@mydomain.com
someretailer@mydomain.com
Far too many companies use an email address as a userid, and when they
get hacked, bad guys are halfway to getting into your accounts. Multiple
emails at a single domain can be auto-forwarded to a single inbox. More
on this here
https://defensivecomputingchecklist.com/#xcredit
Get up to speed on router security at RouterSecurity.org and Defensive
Computing at DefensiveComputingChecklist.com
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* June 26, 2019 at 8:17 pm #1860780
SueW
AskWoody Plus
Last year I decided I didn’t want my email address to be tied to my ISP
(i.e., @verizon.net) so I went through many of the very helpful steps
outlined above.
As I emailed, or replied to, my personal correspondents, I’d use my old
email address with an added signature file (sig file) at the bottom,
something like this:
“*************************
Please note new email address: skw@NewEmailAddress.com“
Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B (SaS); Former 'Tech
Weenie'
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* June 27, 2019 at 8:33 am #1861059
geekdom
AskWoody Lounger
Eight years past, I changed my Internet Service Provider and my mail
address. Despite repeated informational efforts on my part, my
mother-in-law is still sending mail to the old address and wondering why
it doesn’t work.
On Hiatus {with backup and coffee}
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3
WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WuMgr
offline▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.685 x86 Atom N270 RAM2GB HDD
WindowsDefender WuMgr GuineaPigVariant
online▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.804 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox86.0
WindowsDefender TRV=20H2 WuMgr
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* June 27, 2019 at 8:52 am #1861072
Microfix
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@geekdom, Is that a good or a bad predicament?
Joking aside, the only time we used our ISP mail (webmail to be
precise) was to retrieve monthly statements/bills..nothing else since
around 2006.
| Quality over Quantity |
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* June 27, 2019 at 9:01 am #1861077
geekdom
AskWoody Lounger
I have provided her with current information. She tells my spouse
that she sent me mail (to the old address), but it didn’t work.
All the right steps cannot counteract limited skill set.
On Hiatus {with backup and coffee}
offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD
Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WuMgr
offline▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.685 x86 Atom N270 RAM2GB HDD
WindowsDefender WuMgr GuineaPigVariant
online▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.804 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox86.0
WindowsDefender TRV=20H2 WuMgr
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* July 1, 2019 at 3:20 pm #1864503
ibe98765
AskWoody Plus
I have my own domain name email address, which is used by close friends.
Then I have about 10 Gmail addresses that are used to segregate various
tasks ( one is for career stuff, one is for genealogical research, one
is for Android subjects, one is for my fake FB account, etc.).
What I like about the Gmail addresses is that I have them tied to my
Android phone, so I get notice of any email immediately, no matter where
I happen to be. I don’t have any problem with Google knowing my life
details. In fact, I connected my primary credit card (American
Express) to Google, so they get notified of any new charges and send
them to me via a notification on my phone. Now if someone hacks/steals
my CC number and successfully makes a charge, I will see it happen
almost immediately.
Next I have long subscribed (at least 10 years) to a disposable email
service (spamex.com) for $10/year. This allows me to create up to 500
email addresses at any one time. I currently have about 300 active
addresses but many of them don’t get much email at all.
I use these for forum subscriptions, email subscriptions, eBay, PayPal,
frequent flier and hotel accounts, credit card accounts, etc. These all
forward into another Gmail address. Well worth the small yearly cost,
especially when I have to change an email address because the website
got hacked or some rogue employee stole and sold the email address dB.
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* July 4, 2019 at 1:48 pm #1868761
anonymous
Guest
Many years ago, I had a bigfoot.com email account. Email was sent to
the bigfoot mail server, then redirected to my real email account. At
the bigfoot site, I linked my real email address to the bigfoot address.
I did this when my ISP (real email provider) was taken over, and all
email accounts were changed. Using this ‘bigfoot’ email, I only needed
to change the redirected account within the bigfoot email system – very
easy.
I also created several ‘bigfoot’ email accounts with redirection, used
for personal, business, subscriptions, government business, and
throw-away. Most were re-directed to my real email account(s), and some
were redirected to throw-away accounts.
Bigfoot emails are no longer around, but I don’t know if there is such a
service available?
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* July 4, 2019 at 5:33 pm #1868935
Michael432
AskWoody_MVP
If you buy your own domain, pretty much every registrar will offer
forwarding as a free service.
Get up to speed on router security at RouterSecurity.org and Defensive
Computing at DefensiveComputingChecklist.com
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* November 16, 2019 at 1:48 pm #2006397
Steve
AskWoody Plus
I use a proxy e-mail service, SpamGourmet. But it is no longer accepting
new users. (Its developer wants to retire. Somebody really should take
it over.)
Its advantage is that I never send out an e-mail with the core
{protected} e-mail address. I can create new e-mail address on the fly.
What I show as the “From:” field is something ending in “xoxy.net” It is
a valid e-mail address, but some e-mail suites consider anything from
xoxy.net to be spam and bounce the e-mail.
When it works, people responding to it will have their e-mail forwarded
to the core / protected address. If they are trustworthy, I whitelist
their e-mail address. If it winds up in the possession of a spammer, the
address will expire after a certain number of e-mails. The spam e-mails
will be automatically eaten. This is how I have avoided spammers, worms,
and virus senders since 2005.
Important links you can use, without all the fluff or sales pitch =
https://v.gd/sdr34
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