www.latimes.com Open in urlscan Pro
18.164.116.15  Public Scan

URL: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-06-29/affirmative-action-wont-change-much-asian-americans-say
Submission: On June 29 via manual from US — Scanned from US

Form analysis 2 forms found in the DOM

https://www.latimes.com/search#nt=navsearch

<form class="search-form" action="https://www.latimes.com/search#nt=navsearch" novalidate="" autocomplete="off"><label><input placeholder="Search" type="text" class="text-input js-bound" name="q" required=""><span class="visually-hidden">Search
      Query</span></label> <button type="submit" class="button submit-button"><svg class="icon magnify-icon">
      <use xlink:href="#icon-magnify"></use>
    </svg><span class="visually-hidden">Submit Search</span></button></form>

POST https://membership.latimes.com/subscription-services/v1/newsletters/subscriptions

<form class="form newsletter-module-form" method="post" action="https://membership.latimes.com/subscription-services/v1/newsletters/subscriptions" data-error-message="Something went wrong. Please try again."
  data-invalid-email-message="Please enter valid email address." data-field-error-message="Something went wrong. Please try again." data-success-message="Thank you for signing up." data-success-link-message="Manage all your newsletters here."
  data-success-pre-text="You've signed up" data-success-post-text="successfully." data-submitting-text="Submitting..." data-subscription-url="https://membership.latimes.com/newsletters" novalidate="">
  <div class="email-input text-input"><label class="email-input-label text-input-label" for="email-input-element-00000189-093a-d60e-a1af-2dfbf0910000"><span>Enter email address</span><input class="email-input-element text-input-element js-bound"
        type="email" id="email-input-element-00000189-093a-d60e-a1af-2dfbf0910000" name="emailinput" placeholder="Enter email address"></label></div>
  <div class="form-error-message"></div>
  <div class="form-buttons"> <button class="button" type="submit">Sign Me Up </button> </div>
</form>

Text Content

 * Business
 * California
 * Climate & Environment
 * Entertainment & Arts
 * En Español
 * Food
 * Housing & Homelessness
 * Image
 * Lifestyle
 * Obituaries
 * Opinion
 * Politics
 * Science
 * Sports
 * Travel & Experiences
 * World & Nation
 * All Sections
 * _________________
 * Newsletters
 * Photography
 * Podcasts
 * Video
 * _________________
 * About Us
   
    * About Us
    * Archives
    * Company News
    * eNewspaper
    * For the Record
    * Got a Tip?
    * L.A. Times Careers
    * L.A. Times Store
    * L. A. Times Studios
    * News App: Apple IOS
    * News App: Google Play
    * Newsroom Directory
    * Public Affairs
    * Rights, Clearance & Permissions
    * Short Docs

 * Advertising
   
    * Place an Ad
    * Classifieds
    * Coupons
    * People on the Move
    * Find/Post Jobs
    * Local Ads Marketplace
    * Media Kit: Why the L.A. Times?
    * Hot Property Sections
    * Place an Open House
    * Sotheby’s International Realty

 * Bestcovery
 * B2B Publishing
 * Business Visionaries
 * Hot Property
 * Crossword & Games
 * L.A. Times Events
 * L.A. Times Store
 * Subscriptions
   
    * Manage Subscription
    * EZPAY
    * Delivery Issue
    * eNewspaper
    * Students & Educators
    * Subscribe
    * Subscriber Terms
    * Gift Subscription Terms

 * Special Supplements
   
    * Best of the Southland
    * Escapes and Experiences
    * Healthy Living
    * Las Vegas Guide
    * Philanthropy

Copyright © 2023, Los Angeles Times | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | CA
Notice of Collection | Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information
Sections

 * California
 * Entertainment
 * Sports
 * Food
 * Climate
 * Image
 * Opinion
 * |
 * Bestcovery
 * Coupons
 * Crossword
 * eNewspaper


Subscribe or Log In
 * Profile
 * Sign Out

Show Search
Search Query Submit Search

Advertisement

California


THE END OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WON’T CHANGE MUCH FOR THEM, SOME ASIAN AMERICANS
SAY

People with the Asian American Coalition for Education rally outside of the
Supreme Court of the United States on Thursday.
(Kent Nishimura / Los Angeles Times)
By Jeong Park, Milla Surjadi
June 29, 2023 2:54 PM PT
 * Facebook
 * Twitter
 * Show more sharing options

ShareClose extra sharing options
 * Facebook
 * Twitter
 * LinkedIn
 * Email
 * Copy Link URLCopied!
 * Print

Cecilia Chang bluntly told her two kids: You have to try harder because of who
you are.

She believed that admission to elite colleges was stacked against Asian
Americans — “You’re competing for a very little number of seats with all these
qualified Asian kids,” she said.

Still, she doesn’t think the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling doing away with
affirmation action will change much. She supports college officials trying to
bring in students from “all walks of life,” and she thinks they will find a way
to achieve the racial diversity they’re looking for.


Advertisement


“It doesn’t mean s— to us,” said Chang, who runs a disability-related nonprofit
and came to the U.S. from South Korea when she was 13. “I don’t think it’s going
to tilt in any one way or the other.”

Chang’s children, who attended public schools in Fullerton and Santa Ana, did
well, despite their mother’s warning. Her son is a rising junior at Claremont
McKenna studying math. Her daughter, an aspiring lawyer, will attend Williams
this fall.

Whether affirmative action discriminates against Asian American students was at
the heart of the lawsuits that prompted the ruling.



But like Chang, some Asian Americans believe college officials will find ways to
get around the ban and ensure they admit enough underrepresented students,
including those in the Black and Latino communities.

Affirmative action was only in play at a small number of selective schools. But
many Asian immigrant parents and their children aspire to those schools —
particularly those from countries where college admission is based on a single
high-stakes exams and a name-brand school is a be all and end all.

The odds of getting in are so low, with Harvard’s 2023 admissions rate at less
than 4%, that some say it’s an impossible goal made no easier by the abandoning
of racial preferences. The lifting of standardized testing requirements for many
colleges means that admissions are even less predictable and harder to ensure
just by studying hard.

Colleges “want diverse classes, and they will get it,” said Janice Kim, 56, a
Korean American who lives in Las Vegas and whose daughter will be a sophomore in
high school. “If your last name is Kim, how are you going to hide that?”

Pedestrians walk on the campus at Stanford University in Stanford, Calif., April
9, 2019. Stanford University applicants could be affected by the ruling.
(Jeff Chiu / Associated Press)

In California after the passage of Prop. 209, which outlawed affirmative action
at public universities, the number of Black and Latino students plunged at the
UC’s most competitive campuses, including UCLA. Asian American enrollment held
steady.

In fall 2022, UC admitted Asian Americans at the highest rate among all
first-year California applicants: about 73% compared with 63% for Latinos, 57%
for whites and 56% for Black students.

But Asian American California residents who earned admission into the first-year
fall 2020 class had higher SAT test scores than most other groups. Students of
Chinese descent, for instance, had test scores more than 250 points higher than
those of Latino and Black students and 80 points higher than white students’
scores.

Such data fuel perceptions among many Asian Americans that they have to work
harder to get the same chances. Some high school students agonize over whether
to “check the box” on their college applications to indicate that they are
Asian, fearing they will be at a disadvantage.

California


ARE ASIAN AMERICAN COLLEGE APPLICANTS AT A DISADVANTAGE? SUPREME COURT DEBATE
STIRS FEAR

The U.S. Supreme Court hearings on affirmative action this week highlighted
widespread fears among Asian Americans that they face bias in selective college
admissions.

Nov. 4, 2022

Tanya Anand, who is preparing to apply for colleges as a senior at a Los Angeles
private school, which she declined to name for privacy reasons, said she values
diversity on campuses and supports affirmative action as a way to level the
playing field for future generations.

But she believes that colleges are trying to find students who are “a good fit”
and that the Supreme Court ruling won’t change that.

Admission to a highly selective college like Harvard is a hopeless crapshoot,
and the lack of a standardized testing requirement has turned the application
process into a “super gray area,” she said.

Berkeley University student Calvin Yang, center, flanked by Edward Blum, left,
and Adam Mortaraw, speaks during a news conference on the Supreme Court’s
affirmative action in college admissions decision at the Press Club in
Washington on Thursday.
(Jose Luis Magana / Associated Press)

“I don’t know what I need to submit, what’s optional,” said Anand, who is Indian
American. “The college process is so unclear in how it works and what doesn’t.”

Heather Brown, a counselor at Hollywood High School, said she’s concerned that
the end of affirmation action could make a bad situation even worse for those
Latino, Black and other underrepresented students with fewer resources.

Her Asian American students will continue to fare well, since many have parents
willing and able to pay for private college counselors, tutoring and SAT prep
classes, she said.

Sally Chen of Chinese for Affirmative Action, who wrote an opinion piece for The
Times last year arguing that affirmative action helped her get into Harvard as
the daughter of low-wage Chinese immigrants, said that many Asian American
parents will still want their children to attend schools that “are and will
continue to be highly exclusive.”

After the Supreme Court decision was released Thursday, Chen said she hopes the
discussion will continue about “how our current system is failing so many
students.” There is a “real deep sense of sadness” about how the decision treats
college admission as a zero-sum game, said Chen, who is the organization’s
education equity policy director.

“A lot needs to be done to challenge the idea of meritocracy, the idea of
hyper-competition and making sure to prioritize, at the end of the day, a
student as a whole person,” she said.

The decision ignores the tremendous diversity among Asian Americans, said Sissy
Trinh, executive director of the Southeast Asian Community Alliance.

Southeast Asian Americans, who enroll in college at much lower rates than East
or South Asian Americans, could feel even more excluded from top schools. Trinh
said that many of the high school students she works with are told by counselors
not to bother applying.

“They’re not going to apply, because they feel like it’s not for them,” she
said.

Opinion


OPINION: AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ISN’T HURTING ASIAN AMERICANS. HERE’S WHY THAT MYTH
SURVIVES

The idea that Asian Americans need higher SAT scores than others to get into
Harvard is a fallacy based on a misreading of a study that didn’t look at other
admissions factors.

June 14, 2023

Some Asian American high school students fear that with the end of affirmative
action, they will attend colleges with less diverse student bodies.

Brielle “Yuuki” Lubin, who will be a senior at the same Los Angeles private
school as Anand, worries that in college, he will miss out on diverse
perspectives and backgrounds that would challenge his worldview.

Lubin, an aspiring filmmaker, also worries that if schools don’t consider race
in admissions, they may not value his experiences as a half Japanese LGBTQ+
person.

That concern may be assuaged by Justice John Roberts’ majority opinion, which
said that universities could “consider an applicant’s discussion of how race
affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or
otherwise,” as long as the applicant is “treated based on his or her experiences
as an individual — not on the basis of race.”

Olivia Brandeis, a rising junior at a public high school in Danville in the Bay
Area, is conflicted about affirmative action. She supported the policy because
she wants to have classmates with diverse perspectives and backgrounds, but she
feared it would be tougher for her to get into a good college.

But she is more concerned about other issues that she believes play a much
bigger role: GPA inflation, students creating “fake” nonprofits to boost their
resumes, children of alumni getting an unfair advantage.

The end of affirmative action won’t do much to remedy those issues, or the
general randomness of college admissions, said Brandeis, who is half Indian and
half white.

She also believes that colleges will continue to diversify their classes through
recruitment programs and scholarships targeting people of color. Despite the
perceived disadvantage of being Asian American, she may highlight her biracial
background in her application essays.

“Diversifying their campus, whether it’s through the admissions process or
through other initiatives, it helps them kind of stay at the top,” she said.

California


AMID YOUTH MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, TEENS ASK FOR A KINDER COLLEGE ADMISSIONS
PROCESS

High school students stress one aspect of the “youth mental health crisis” is
the pressure they feel to be perfect and successful so they can get into choice
colleges.

March 7, 2023

At South Pasadena High School, which is 28% Asian American, rising junior Luke
Wang calls himself a “mediocre” student, despite having a GPA of 3.5 and running
cross country.

Wang, 15, who was adopted from Taiwan at age 2 and raised in a Taiwanese-Korean
household, doesn’t think race should play a role in college admissions. He
welcomed the Supreme Court ruling, citing “fairness.“

“You are what you’re worth,” Wang said. “If you’re smart enough and you get
those grades, then I feel like you should have a place in college no matter
what.”

He’s aiming for CSUs and UCs and doesn’t think he’ll apply to any Ivies. If he
doesn’t get into a college of his choice, he won’t see it as a result of his
race but an issue of his credentials and the extreme competitiveness of college
applications.

“I guess I’m just not good enough,” he said.

His mother, Ann Wang, a children’s book author, said the ruling is a “big
mistake.”

She worries it will help “the highest-performing Asians” at the cost of
low-income Asians and recent immigrants.

“People come from different backgrounds, and we didn’t all start off in the same
place, and we do need to help people who have had it harder,” said Wang, who was
born in Korea and came to the U.S. as a young child.

Her older son Ian, who will be a senior at UC Berkeley this fall, said that when
he applied to colleges, he tried to set himself apart from “the traditional
Asian American student, who plays the violin and has good test scores and is
good at math.”

He leaned on his interest in environmental science and the outdoors and his long
list of extracurricular activities, including track, cross-country, jazz band
and Boy Scouts.

“I feel like if I had a more racially neutral last name, I wouldn’t have checked
Asian as a box,” he said. “I felt like it hurt my chances. But it’s Wang, so I
was like, ‘I can’t do that.’”

Although Ian believes affirmative action is necessary, he doesn’t think the
ruling will change much in the landscape of college applications.

“Part of me feels like people who are reading admissions are still thinking
about race,” he said. “As long as humans are reading applications, I think
people will have subconscious racial biases.”

And the demise of affirmative action won’t change the advice he gives his
younger brother.

“Focus on what makes you unique and what you can offer to an institution,” he
said. “If that means your racial identity … [or] what you’ve gotten out of a
sport or an extracurricular. What makes you special and why they would want
you.”

Times staff writer Teresa Watanabe contributed to this report.

California
Newsletter

The stories shaping California

Get up to speed with our Essential California newsletter, sent six days a week.

Enter email address

Sign Me Up

You may occasionally receive promotional content from the Los Angeles Times.

Jeong Park

Follow Us

 * Twitter
 * Instagram
 * Email
 * Facebook

Jeong Park is an Asian American communities reporter for the Los Angeles Times.
Previously, he was an economic mobility reporter for the Sacramento Bee,
covering how California policies affect the lives of workers. He also covered
cities and communities for the Orange County Register. Park considers both
Seoul, where he was born, and Southern California, where he grew up, as his
home. He graduated from UCLA. He welcomes recommendations for good hikes, food
and K-Pop songs.

Milla Surjadi

Follow Us

 * Twitter
 * Instagram
 * Email
 * Facebook

Milla Surjadi is a Metro reporting intern at the Los Angeles Times. A New York
City native, she is a rising senior at Duke University, where she studies
English and journalism. She served as editor in chief of the Chronicle, Duke’s
independent student newspaper, last year. She has interned at the Tampa Bay
Times and written for the 9th Street Journal and IndyWeek.


SUBSCRIBERS ARE READING

 * World & Nation
   
   For Subscribers
   
   
   NETFLIX TURNS TO SOUTH KOREAN WRITERS AND CREWS AS HOLLYWOOD STRIKES. BUT
   THEY FEEL EXPLOITED TOO

 * California
   
   For Subscribers
   
   
   THE UNORTHODOX QUEST TO FIND KRISTIN SMART’S BODY, THE LAST PIECE OF AN
   ENDURING MYSTERY

 * Lifestyle
   
   For Subscribers
   
   
   THE 18 BEST STORES TO FIND MIDCENTURY MODERN FURNITURE IN L.A.

 * Climate & Environment
   
   
   SOLAR SPRAWL IS TEARING UP THE MOJAVE DESERT. IS THERE A BETTER WAY?




SUBSCRIBERS ARE READING

 * California
   
   For Subscribers
   
   
   THE MOST LUCRATIVE MAJORS? SOME COMMUNITY COLLEGE GRADS CAN OUTEARN ELITE
   UNIVERSITY PEERS

 * Music
   
   For Subscribers
   
   
   32 BEST RECORDING STUDIOS (FOR EVERY BUDGET) IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA

 * Company Town
   
   For Subscribers
   
   
   THOUSANDS CHATTED WITH THIS AI ‘VIRTUAL GIRLFRIEND.’ THEN THINGS GOT EVEN
   WEIRDER

Advertisement



LATEST CALIFORNIA

 * California
   
   
   A RETIRED LAPD OFFICER FATALLY SHOT HER EX-BOYFRIEND BECAUSE SHE BELIEVED HE
   KILLED A COP
   
   39 minutes ago

 * Climate & Environment
   
   
   WHAT WET WINTER? CALIFORNIA PREPARES FOR PEAK WILDFIRE SEASON
   
   39 minutes ago

 * California
   
   
   UCLA CONFIRMS IT WAS HIT BY WIDE-RANGING CYBERATTACK BUT OFFERS FEW DETAILS
   
   1 hour ago

 * Business
   
   
   UNIONIZED HOTEL WORKERS REACH DEAL WITH BIGGEST EMPLOYER ON EVE OF JULY 4TH
   WEEKEND AND PLANNED STRIKE
   
   2 hours ago

 * California
   
   
   LOOMING STRIKE POSES CHALLENGE FOR MAYOR KAREN BASS AT HOMELESS HOUSING HOTEL
   
   2 hours ago

Advertisement

Advertisement

Advertisement

Advertisement

Advertisement

Advertisement

Advertisement

Advertisement


Subscribe for unlimited access
Site Map

Follow Us

 * Twitter
 * Instagram
 * YouTube
 * Facebook

 * * eNewspaper
   * Coupons
   * Find/Post Jobs
   * Place an Ad
   * Media Kit: Why the L. A. Times?
   * Bestcovery

 * MORE FROM THE L.A. TIMES
   
    * Crossword
    * Obituaries
    * Recipes
    * L.A. Times Compare
    * L.A. Times Store
    * Wine Club
   
    * About/Contact
    * For the Record
    * L.A. Times Careers
    * Manage Subscription
    * Reprints and Permissions
    * Site Map

Copyright © 2023, Los Angeles Times | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | CA
Notice of Collection | Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information