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Real world vehicle weights - Spyders 987 v 981 v 718

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Interesting comment I heard in Matt Farah's current video regarding the 718
Spyder this morning.
You Tube

He's quoting a measured wieght from C&D and MT of 3,130 at the 2:00 mark for the
718 Spyder.

In yesterdays 987.2 Spyder FAQ thread there were two real world postings #63 and
#67 of the 987.2 Spyder's weight of ~3,070 although with PDK.
https://rennlist.com/forums/987-981-...der-faq-5.html

Perhaps the 718 weight increase isn't that bad at all. Does anyone have the
measured eight for their 981 Spyder for comparison?
 
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My 981 Spyder was 3130 with full fuel. Steel brakes, Bose and 18 way comfort
seats.
 
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My 981 Spyder was 3130 with full fuel. Steel brakes, Bose and 18 way comfort
seats.
Thanks for that.

So we have the 718 with LWB and PCCB at 3,130 (fuel amount unknown) per the
video.

Your 981 at 3,130 with full fuel. Steel brakes, Bose and 18 way comfort seats.

987.2 Spyder. 3,073 full fuel tank, PDK, LWB, Aircon, Radio



 
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Little surprised how heavy that 987.2 Spyder was compared to what R's weighed
but the 981/718 make sense

 
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Hopefully someone will post the R weights. I’d wagering there won’t be that much
of a difference between the two.

Porsche played games back then to advertise low weights. Smaller gas tanks no
radio etc.


 
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Hopefully someone will post the R weights. I’d wagering there won’t be that much
of a difference between the two.

Porsche played games back then to advertise low weights. Smaller gas tanks no
radio etc.
I ordered both a 2010 987.2 S and 2012 R and weighed them both.
The S with 6sp./manual sport seats/steel brakes/no bose/no xenon/no nav was 2980
w/o fuel and 3082 full of fuel.
The R with 6sp./steel brakes/buckets/no AC/no radio/no xenon was 2862 w/o fuel
and 2964 full of fuel
That 2862 number matches Porsche's max lightness quote of 2855 (w/pccb) since
the pccb was about a 7lb savings.
The R now weighs 2776 w/o fuel after some lightening
(Recaros/Lithium/StWhl/Insul)





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I ordered both a 2010 987.2 S and 2012 R and weighed them both.
The S with manual/manual seats/steel brakes was 2980 w/o fuel and 3082 full of
fuel.
The R with manual/steel brakes/buckets/no AC/no radio was 2862 w/o fuel and 2964
full of fuel
That 2862 number matches Porsche's max lightness quote of 2855 (w/pccb) since
the pccb was about a 7lb savings.
The R now weighs 2776 w/o fuel after some lightening
(Recaros/Lithium/StWhl/Insul)




Great info thanks. Interesting how light your S is compared to the Spyder’s
above. Small sample rate isn’t helping.

BTW your R looks fantastic.

 
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Thanks, yeah I never figured out how much the power seats/nav/bose/xenon etc.
weighed but looks like they might weigh a bit (desc. in my S spec now). Also
thinking PDK might be a little more than quoted but not sure.
 
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Quote:
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Thanks for that.

So we have the 718 with LWB and PCCB at 3,130 (fuel amount unknown) per the
video.

Your 981 at 3,130 with full fuel. Steel brakes, Bose and 18 way comfort seats.

987.2 Spyder. 3,073 full fuel tank, PDK, LWB, Aircon, Radio
This isn't look too bad, maybe get a bit more savings with a titanium exhaust...

FWIW, my 2016 Boxster GTS, steel brakes, 2-way seats, MT, Bose, NAV, etc came in
at 3054 lbs with 1/2 tank of gas.
 
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I don't think there is too much of a weight diff unless it's a stripped down
987spyder with all the lightweight option
 
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2-way Sport seats, without motors, look like they shouldn’t weigh much more than
the buckets. And they can be heated. Anyone measured them vs the buckets to
compare?

Have them in my current 987.1 Box S and love them.
 
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2-way Sport seats, without motors, look like they shouldn’t weigh much more than
the buckets. And they can be heated. Anyone measured them vs the buckets to
compare?

Have them in my current 987.1 Box S and love them.


The 2 way manual sport seats with no heat were 26lb heavier for the pair vs. the
buckets in the 987/997 versions.

In the newer 981/991 versions the difference is closer to 15lb for two seats
total due to the newer buckets having the electric height control.

Going to Recaro Profis with steel sliders and aluminum side mounts saves another
24lb over the 987 buckets and ~35lb over the 981 buckets

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I thought all spyders and gt4 were manual.. how are there weights w pdk?
 
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987 Spyders had PDK as an option.
 
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Pulled out some old magazines for additional info for the 987 Spyders.

R&T January 2010; measured weight 2,940, LWB, PCCB, manual, navi, bi-xenon,
sport chrono, auto-climate control
Excellence May 2010; measured weight 2,985. Gleaned from pictures; LWB, PCCB,
manual, etc. (n/a)

Spyder v Cayman issue results below (my favorite issue, Spyder was quicker by
about 0.5 seconds on a 30.0 second short go-cart track)
Excellence November 2011; Spyder measured weight 3,004. Gleaned from pictures;
sofas (actually they are a very nice seat imho), red brakes, manual, etc. (n/a)
Excellence November 2011; Cayman R measured weight 2,966. Gleaned from pictures;
LWB, PCCB, manual, etc. (n/a)
Interestingly they also compared the R to a 997 911 GTS (weight 3,340 with a
manual, red brakes, and sofas) in the same issue. The R won the subjective test.

A couple of other interesting tidbits from the comparison issue.
 * Spyder is 44 pounds less than the R.
 * Pete Stout mentioned it was the best handling factory Porsche he had tested.

 
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Bumping an old thread to see if there are any more real world 718 Spyder weights
 
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Car and Driver weighed their 718 Spyder with PCCB, LWBS, manual, and full fuel
tank at 3136 lbs: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

Car and Driver weighed their 981 Spyder with iron brakes, LWBS, manual, and full
fuel tank at 3040 lbs: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...r-test-review/

The 718 Spyder’s weight gain relative to 981 includes bigger brakes (both iron
and carbon pads, rotors, and calipers are bigger), wider wheels, and heavier
muffler/particulate filter combo.

I’m curious what my Spyder with iron brakes, LWBS, manual, single zone manual
AC, and LED lights weighs.
 
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Bumping an old thread to see if there are any more real world 718 Spyder weights
I am going to ask tomorrow when I get some suspension work done if there was
somewhere in town to get an accurate weight on my Spyder with LWBS, PCCB, LED
etc... oh and lighter weight forged wheels.

I see the Car and Driver put the 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 at an even more svelte 3125
lbs... https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

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Harry Metcalfe weighed a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 with irons, 2ways, and 1/2 tank of
gas at 2820lb (!?)

https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...ster-ever.html

Full/empty tank is about 100lb diff.

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Harry Metcalfe weighed a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 with irons, 2ways, and 1/2 tank of
gas at 2820lb (!?)

https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...ster-ever.html

Full/empty tank is about 100lb diff.
So lighter than a Gen 1 Spyder—seems legit; lol.
 
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So lighter than a Gen 1 Spyder—seems legit; lol.
Copious amount of lightweight plastics and Carbon Fibre...


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Harry Metcalfe weighed a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 with irons, 2ways, and 1/2 tank of
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https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...ster-ever.html

Full/empty tank is about 100lb diff.
Perhaps it was a full tank of helium?


 
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Harry Metcalfe weighed a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 with irons, 2ways, and 1/2 tank of
gas at 2820lb (!?)

https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...ster-ever.html

Full/empty tank is about 100lb diff.
Harrys scale is Messed up. The gts and gt4/spyder equivalents have about 30kg
delta, at the most. Youre not gonna feel that shi unless youre Mark Webber.

 
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Quote:
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I am going to ask tomorrow when I get some suspension work done if there was
somewhere in town to get an accurate weight on my Spyder with LWBS, PCCB, LED
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I see the Car and Driver put the 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 at an even more svelte 3125
lbs... https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
They got 3136 lbs for Spyder, so pretty negligible in terms of weight. I was
hoping that both would be under 3,000 like the 987.
 
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I'm curious to see how C&D does their weight though.. How much gas? And how was
the car optioned?
 
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So in an apples-apples weight comparison-

Whatever configuration 981 Spyder versus same configuration 718 Spyder —

How much more does the 718 Spyder weigh than the 981 Spyder? I am not concerned
with the actual number of pounds in weight total for either car. That’s a
subjective area that can be beaten to death forever.

The differential in weight in pounds, apples-apples, is a fixed, objective
number. Do we know what that number is?
 
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So in an apples-apples weight comparison-

Whatever configuration 981 Spyder versus same configuration 718 Spyder —

How much more does the 718 Spyder weigh than the 981 Spyder? I am not concerned
with the actual number of pounds in weight total for either car. That’s a
subjective area that can be beaten to death forever.

The differential in weight in pounds, apples-apples, is a fixed, objective
number. Do we know what that number is?
With so many different options available for these cars it would be tough to
find a 981 and 718 optioned exactly the same, I read somewhere that it was like
1-25,000 for two cars to identically optioned.

'IF' we assume that most of the regular things in the car 'can' be the same like
seats or stereo configuration then it would boil down to something that the
build spec has no control over like the difference in the engine weight with
exhaust, 3.8l versus 4.0l.

Andres Preuninger mentions at the Goodwood FoS that the difference is about 30kg
(66 lbs) and mainly due to the engine and GPF.
 
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With so many different options available for these cars it would be tough to
find a 981 and 718 optioned exactly the same, I read somewhere that it was like
1-25,000 for two cars to identically optioned.

'IF' we assume that most of the regular things in the car 'can' be the same like
seats or stereo configuration then it would boil down to something that the
build spec has no control over like the difference in the engine weight with
exhaust, 3.8l versus 4.0l.

Andres Preuninger mentions at the Goodwood FoS that the difference is about 30kg
(66 lbs) and mainly due to the engine and GPF.
Thanks!

Sounds like it’s 66 pounds, then.

In math, when we control for all variables and simply look for a differential,
it’s an objective and certain number.

In this case, it’s an exquisite expenditure of time to go weighing cars or
comparing cars. Besides having Preuninger tell us, the best we could do next is
to convert the stated curb weight of the 981 Spyder using the old weighing
methodology to a resulting number using the new weighing methodology and compare
with stated curb weight of the 718 Spyder. Or vice versa (convert in reverse, so
from new to old methodology and compare).


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My 718 Spyder weighed in at 3028 with 3/4 tank
 
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2021 718 Boxster GTS 4.0L = 3082 lbs - @9m:35s -
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I weighed in at 3,172lbs in my 2021 GT4 w/PDK, PCCB, LWBS, BBS Fi-R wheels
(28lbs savings), Fabspeed header back exhaust, and 3/4 gas.

Makes me wonder why mine is such a porker?



 
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Quite similar to my Spyder:


2020 718 Spyder

2021 718 Boxster GTS

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@Westcoast What options does your car have that would change the weight of the
car (such as PCCB, which I see in your avatar, LWBS, leather interior, etc.)?
Was the gas tank full when measured? Never had mine weighed so trying to
guesstimate what a standard car would weigh. Thanks!

 
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@Westcoast What options does your car have that would change the weight of the
car (such as PCCB, which I see in your avatar, LWBS, leather interior, etc.)?
Was the gas tank full when measured? Never had mine weighed so trying to
guesstimate what a standard car would weigh. Thanks!
No worries, for that weight (3058 lbs) it was about 1/3 tank of gas, PCCB, LWBS,
leather interior, OEM tires but on Forged wheels (by my measurements 13lbs
lighter than an OEM set), Titanium Akra link-pipe and JCR exhaust (these two are
really light compared to OEM), manual transmission (I believe the PDK is
heavier)... and the real weight saver for sure Titanium wheel bolts!

I think that is about it, for reference I have Bose audio and had the OEM rubber
floor mats in at that time too, if I think of anything else I will update this
post.
 
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No worries, for that weight (3058 lbs) it was about 1/3 tank of gas, PCCB, LWBS,
leather interior, OEM tires but on Forged wheels (by my measurements 13lbs
lighter than an OEM set), Titanium Akra link-pipe and JCR exhaust (these two are
really light compared to OEM), manual transmission (I believe the PDK is
heavier)... and the real weight saver for sure Titanium wheel bolts!

I think that is about it, for reference I have Bose audio and had the OEM rubber
floor mats in at that time too, if I think of anything else I will update this
post.
Thanks! And wow! You do have all the lightweight equipment from factory and also
very light components. By my guesstimate your car minus the mods and with
steels/2 ways and full tank would be roughly 3,230 lbs or so (which is pretty
much my spec). And that is a bit more porky than I would like my car to be. I've
already got Akra OAPs, not a lot of weight savings mods out there that are
reasonably priced lol
 
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Thanks! And wow! You do have all the lightweight equipment from factory and also
very light components. By my guesstimate your car minus the mods and with
steels/2 ways and full tank would be roughly 3,230 lbs or so (which is pretty
much my spec). And that is a bit more porky than I would like my car to be. I've
already got Akra OAPs, not a lot of weight savings mods out there that are
reasonably priced lol
As you say some mods can be very expensive, my goal was if I was going to make a
change it would have to have dual benefits, make the car more like I want it but
save weight at the same time. Almost every item I have added/changed on the
Spyder has followed the plan and I have been happy with the choices and the
resulting weigh savings.

There is certainly more that could be done to drop weight but that would require
a change that is either not cost effective of as you mentioned IMHO reasonably
priced. There are lighter wheels but at crazy prices, a Li-Ion battery to
replace a virtually new one in the car for example but for me I am happy how it
turned out.
 
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I can share some real world weights for a stock 981 Spyder. Weights below are
with the factory battery and tires. The only ‘mod’ is the added PPF. The car’s
full spec is in the image but the big ones are full leather interior, Bose
stereo, iron brakes, and LWB seats.
 * 3044 lbs with full gas tank
 * 2960 lbs with about 1/4 tank
 * 2949 lbs with about 1/4 tank with extras removed (glove box emptied, fire
   extinguisher removed, frunk tool kit removed, etc)

I haven’t seen a 718 Spyder measured in a comparable spec but estimating
3150-3200 lbs with full fuel would be a 100-150 lbs difference on the scales.








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Another dot point - 981 GTS (PASM, PTV, PDK, standard sports seats, steel
brakes, near full tank of fuel) 3075 lbs (1398kg) and 3025 lbs with ~ 1/2 tank
of gas. (weighed on weighbridge).

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2021 Spyder. Steel brakes, carbon buckets, manual trans, Sound Package Plus (so
no Bose amp etc, this was before I added the Musicar stuff), full tank, and
240lb of weights in driver's seat.





 
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So 3115 (718 spyder) vs 3044 (981 spyder) for what looks to be comparably
equipped and fueled? Approx 70lb delta? Not including the other differences we
didn't include, of course.
 
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I had my 2020 Spyder weighed at 3185 lbs with a full fuel tank, no driver.
Manual transmission, iron brakes, Bose, fire extinguisher, LWBS, leather
interior, all mats and books and toolkit etc. in the car.
 
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What's considered "light" these days?
 
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I think I'd consider anything under 3k to be "light" in a modern Porsche.

I think the only car significantly lighter out there that's still new is the
current Miata.... "Club" spec is at/under 2400...
 
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What's considered "light" these days?
A manual 2023 Mitsubishi Mirage is 2017 lbs. A 2023 Nissan Kicks (a compact
crossover/“SUV”) is 2663 lbs. A manual 2023 Subaru BRZ weighs 2843 lbs. A 2023
Honda Civic, a four door family sedan, weighs 3054 lbs. A 2023 Civic Type R is
3183 lbs. A C8 Z07 convertible weighs 3799 lbs. A 2023 Mercedes-Benz SL63, a
“Sport Light” convertible with two usable seats, weighs 4305 lbs.

In general, performance-adding bits make cars heavy. If you put the wheels,
brakes, tires, and engine of a BRZ in a 718, you’ll get close to the weight of a
BRZ, but you’d lose the acceleration and braking abilities and grip of the
Porsche.

3200 lbs is heavy for a five seat economy car, but light for a high performance
two seat sports car.


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Weight threads are near and dear to my heart. Some added inputs below for what
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2XIPA
Pulled out some old magazines for additional info for the 987 Spyders.

R&T January 2010; measured weight 2,940, LWB, PCCB, manual, navi, bi-xenon,
sport chrono, auto-climate control
Excellence May 2010; measured weight 2,985. Gleaned from pictures; LWB, PCCB,
manual, etc. (n/a) RoW-spec PCNA/PAG press car in silver over red equipped with
LWBS, PCCB, etc.

Spyder v Cayman issue results below (my favorite issue, Spyder was quicker by
about 0.5 seconds on a 30.0 second short go-cart track) Was interesting to see
this from a very accomplished pro driver, as it underlined our feelings out in
the world across multiple examples of both cars: The Spyder's chassis was more
confidence inspiring than the R's, and thus seemed faster. The Rs we tested
signaled understeer then oversteer, where every Spyder we tried just seemed
stuck down front & rear, and unflappable. I suspect the delta on a longer closed
course, and especially one with bumps and lumps, would be more significant.
Excellence November 2011; Spyder measured weight 3,004. Gleaned from pictures;
sofas (actually they are a very nice seat imho), red brakes, manual, etc. (n/a)
Customer car in silver over brown equipped with A/C, full leather, Adaptive
Sport Seats w/heat, PCCB, etc.
Excellence November 2011; Cayman R measured weight 2,966. Gleaned from pictures;
LWB, PCCB, manual, etc. (n/a) PCNA press car in Peridot over black, a stripper
with no A/C for sure and, iirc, no cupholders, etc; a cool car in theory, but I
remember no one wanted to be in it unless we were on the coast.
Interestingly they also compared the R to a 997 911 GTS (weight 3,340 with a
manual, red brakes, and sofas) in the same issue. The R won the subjective test.
High praise, as the 997 GTS was (and is!) a wonderful car. But then so is the
987.2 Cayman R...

A couple of other interesting tidbits from the comparison issue.
 * Spyder is 44 pounds less than the R. Have long sensed the scant delta in
   weight between 987 coupe & convertible vs the larger delta between the 997
   coupe & convertible is indicative of the mid-engined coupe's development
   coming long after the 986/987 platform was developed. The R also faced an
   unfair advantage when it came to weight savings as Porsche didn't lighten its
   roof as it did with the Spyder.
 * Pete Stout mentioned it was the best handling factory Porsche he had tested.
   It was, and remains high on my list of all-time favorites…

This thread is extremely interesting to me, as it underlines something I've been
thinking about lately: Contrary to the perception of many Porsche enthusiasts,
the 981/991/992 generation is very light.

My daily car, a 991.2 Carrera, is rated at "just" 370hp (and is probably closer
to 390) but weighs 3150~ lbs. So it's in the range of a 964 or 993 C2, and quite
possibly lighter despite 20-inch wheels and 245/305 tires, water cooling, a
seven-speed gearbox, two turbochargers, two intercoolers, and then all of the
safety equipment and creature features. The 16/17-inch wheels with 205/245 or
255 tires on those 911s of old, which I still love, look positively tiny. Yet
the "basis" 991.2 Carrera's output is roughly on par with one of the most
exciting 911s I tested early on, and one of the most vaunted: the 993 Turbo.

Looking at the weights given for 718 Spyders so far, you see a similar
phenomenon: These are far more complete cars than their predecessors, yet
they're similarly light while being much more powerful. Our first modern Porsche
daily car, a 1999 986 with very little in the way of leather, creature comforts,
a partial power top, etc, weighed in at 2,955 lbs with tiny brakes—so not all
that much lighter than a 718 Spyder. It had a 2.5-liter flat six that made 201
hp vs the new car's 4.0-liter (60% bigger!) with 400 hp (double the hp). So the
718 Spyder is impressively light even against the early Boxster despite its
massive wheels, tires, brakes, etc and then all of the equipment improvements.
Now consider that high-performance 2023 Honda Civics and Toyota Corollas (!) are
heavier while even BMW's smallest two-door M cars are getting close to 4,000
lbs…or exceeding it.

It's a very good time to be a Porsche customer.

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The weight of my 981 GT4 with a half a tank of fuel is 3,091 lbs. the car has
the following options:

085 Fuel tank 64-litre
509 Fire Extinguisher
581 Luggage net in passenger footwell
583 Smoking package
620 Bi-Xenon-Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) in black
630 Light Design Package
643 Sport Chrono Package incl. Porsche Track Precision App and preparation for
laptrigger
68 Leather interior, Black (stitching in Guards Red)
750 Deviated Stitching i.c.w. Leather Interior
802 Wings in Black
CLP Door Panel in Leather/Alcantara®
P11 Lightweight Bucket Seats
P13 Automatically dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor
P1B Anodized Black Brushed Aluminum Interior Package i.c.w. Leather Interior
P23 Porsche Communication Management (PCM) incl. navigation module
XSX Seat belts in Guards Red
XUB Headlight Cleaning System Covers in Exterior Color
XXB Door-Sill Guards in Stainless Steel, Illuminated

It also has a fvd M&M Clubsport full race exhaust which saves 18.25 lbs over the
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